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I'm changing my asset allocation
« on: April 05, 2025, 09:20:26 AM »
My investment portfolio dropped 10% in one month. Realistically, most of that probably happened this week thanks to the newest round of ignorance and insanity from Trump and his people. And I'm not going to do anything really insane like sell everything and stuff cash under the mattress. But I'm shifting my target asset allocation. I'm going to pick up a lot more international. Because I truly believe that the US is going down for the long haul, and I need to adjust to account for that. It's not just the volatility right now. It's the US showing the world that it can not be trusted, can not be relied upon, and must be isolated and protected against. Not just for 4 years, but for the long haul.

Right now, I'm basically 90% in VTSAX and 10% in VTWAX. I'm still deciding exactly where I want to end up, but I am changing my reinvestment rules to direct all reinvestments into VTIAX. And I am going to sell and reinvest some of the VTSAX later on, but ideally after the bloodbath of this week has been recovered a bit.

Yes, this is an incredibly aggressive asset allocation in general. I set it up about 10 years ago and haven't touched it since. Nor have I done anything other than rollovers. My actual changes are going to be gradual. I'm not going to do anything crazy. I'm just changing my asset allocation.

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Re: I'm changing my asset allocation
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2025, 09:32:49 AM »
Thank you for posting this. I bought some VXUS yesterday and will probably switch some of my VTSAX to VTIAX on Monday.

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Re: I'm changing my asset allocation
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2025, 09:57:26 AM »
I have been mulling this over as well since we are 100% US for our equities exposure. It sure seems like the US is breaking things right now that cannot be unbroken. The position in the world that the US has enjoyed over the last 80 years is vanishing, and rightfully so. 80 years is a considerable percentage of historical stock market returns that people tend to use with the expectation that the future will be shades of similar. @ChpBstrd has a nice post in the Inflation thread about the possibilities). Of course none of this would happen overnight.

But at the same time I look at the difference in returns on VXUS vs. VTI and they are staggering. It gives me pause. Perhaps I won't jump right to the oft-suggested 70/30 US/International split but holding only US equities is beginning to feel unwise. The claim that big US companies are essentially international anyway doesn't carry much value when the international community starts boycotting US products and moving trade to other nations.
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Re: I'm changing my asset allocation
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2025, 10:17:28 AM »
I bought the regularly scheduled several thousand dollars worth of VTSAX yesterday.

Overall we only have about 8% of equities in international. A little light perhaps, but I don’t fret about it since I have no real clue about the future, nor does anyone else.

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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2025, 12:24:42 PM »
I have always been an advocate for having at least 10-15% international as the US is only about 1/4 the global economy last I checked.

However, I am not a fan of trading in and out of things based on “who’s president,” even if it is a stinker. When I catch myself thinking this way I usually zoom out the sp500 chart.

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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2025, 12:33:15 PM »
I've been 25% international for my equities for a while, and planning to keep it the same.  I rebalanced into international earlier this year (or late last year? who knows) because of all the US growth, so I'm probably a little overweight in international - don't intend to look at my balances for as long as I can stand it.

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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2025, 02:54:50 PM »
I bought the regularly scheduled several thousand dollars worth of VTSAX yesterday.

Overall we only have about 8% of equities in international. A little light perhaps, but I don’t fret about it since I have no real clue about the future, nor does anyone else.

I’m FIRE, 100% US equities, and not too likely to change allocation. Used up all my underperforming VTIAX for living expenses over the last 3 years. Have weathered many storms and am highly risk tolerant.

That said, this year is showing that the US is not immune to the dangers of single country investment. In a matter of weeks one dumb angry puppet and his partner are deconstructing everything that made the US a stable haven for capital growth, and a global trade partner.

Adjusting your AA (including for non-equity forms of passive/active income) makes a lot of sense right now.

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Re: I'm changing my asset allocation
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2025, 04:31:55 PM »
Dalio forecasted the weakening of dollar, loss of reserve currency etc. along time ago

It made sense to me so i hold less vusa that vwrl for that longer term option.

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Re: I'm changing my asset allocation
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2025, 06:52:51 PM »
Right now, I'm basically 90% in VTSAX and 10% in VTWAX.
VTWAX is 3/5th U.S. stocks, so your current international allocation is 4%.  If you equally split VTSAX and VTWAX, you would have a 20% international allocation.

I like ETFs, so I'll also mention that ETFs have lower expense ratios: 0.03% for VTI versus 0.04% for VTSAX.  0.06% for VT versus 0.09% for VTWAX.

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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2025, 06:55:58 PM »
But at the same time I look at the difference in returns on VXUS vs. VTI and they are staggering. It gives me pause. Perhaps I won't jump right to the oft-suggested 70/30 US/International split but holding only US equities is beginning to feel unwise. The claim that big US companies are essentially international anyway doesn't carry much value when the international community starts boycotting US products and moving trade to other nations.
U.S and international have moved in cycles of outperformance, in case that helps your motivation to allocate to international.
https://www.hartfordfunds.com/dam/en/docs/pub/whitepapers/CCWP014.pdf

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Re: I'm changing my asset allocation
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2025, 08:04:05 PM »
Dalio forecasted the weakening of dollar, loss of reserve currency etc. along time ago

It made sense to me so i hold less vusa that vwrl for that longer term option.

I read his book.  I'm pretty sure Ray Dalio is a crackpot.   I'm certain he is right in specific circumstances, but I wouldn't make investment decisions based on what he says. 

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Re: I'm changing my asset allocation
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2025, 12:44:12 AM »
As I wrote in my other thread:

Don't get me wrong, US stocks are a fantastic long term investment and everyone should have some exposure. Even so, for the vast majority of people they should not be your only investment, or even your only equity investment. In so doing you would be making an active bet on the politics, governance, and fortunes of a single country - which is contrary to the whole passive investing philosophy.

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Re: I'm changing my asset allocation
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2025, 09:03:52 AM »
The market is down less than 4% from a year ago.

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Re: I'm changing my asset allocation
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2025, 10:03:07 AM »
I may be a reactionary fool but I went from 90% equities / 10% bonds, with an 80% US / 20% international split to 80% equities /15 % bonds / 5% gold, with a 55% US / 45% international equities split about a month ago.

Two reasons for this:
1. Vanguards 10 and 30 year projections show developed ex-US outperforming US equities. I know they've been wrong about this before. But why would you make a significant bet against them by staying majority invested in US equities? https://corporate.vanguard.com/content/corporatesite/us/en/corp/vemo/vemo-return-forecasts.html

2. Current obvious geopolitical situation of the US.

 The reason I still remain pretty heavily invested in equities for long term horizon is my age and can be summarized in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nPon8Ad_Ug

The reason I hold a bit of bonds/gold is that it feels crappy to feel like you have nothing to reinvest when prices are low during a downturn. I'd like to be able to dump some of these back into equities once the market hits a 25% or greater drawdown.

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Re: I'm changing my asset allocation
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2025, 10:10:25 AM »
Doesn't your allocation automatically change with market drops?

Was 60% stocks, 40% bonds, now I am 50% stocks 50% bonds.


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Re: I'm changing my asset allocation
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2025, 10:20:18 AM »
I cringe a bit when I find myself wanting to sell one of my assets because it got cheaper. The theory of buying those assets is that I'd do the opposite!

Trump 1.0 was full of shenanigans, crimes, bad judgements, trade disruptions / tariffs, counterproductive crisis responses, massive deficits, and, most importantly, broken promises and reversals. Those four years featured corrections and a bear market, but so did the subsequent Biden administration. Asset prices somehow ended that 2016-2021 era of turmoil, bad governance, and national damage higher than they began.

So it is worth looking back and asking...
"Do I regret not reallocating at the bottom (-19.8% down) of the 4th quarter 2018 correction?"
"Do I regret not reallocating at the bottom (-33.9% down) of the spring 2020 bear market?"
"Do I regret not reallocating at the bottom (over -20% down) of the 2022 rate hikes market?"
« Last Edit: April 06, 2025, 10:39:51 AM by ChpBstrd »

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Re: I'm changing my asset allocation
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2025, 10:25:49 AM »
Doesn't your allocation automatically change with market drops?

Was 60% stocks, 40% bonds, now I am 50% stocks 50% bonds.

My asset allocation has been 100% equities. Now, whether that's the best allocation is a very different conversation, not relevant, and also not one I'm interested in having not one. So no, my allocation has not automatically changed.

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« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2025, 10:31:01 AM »
I cringe a bit when I find myself wanting to sell one of my assets because it got cheaper. They theory of buying those assets is that I'd do the opposite!

Trump 1.0 was full of shenanigans, crimes, bad judgements, trade disruptions / tariffs, counterproductive crisis responses, massive deficits, and, most importantly, broken promises and reversals. Those four years featured corrections and a bear market, but so did the subsequent Biden administration. Asset prices somehow ended that 2016-2021 era of turmoil, bad governance, and national damage higher than they began.

So it is worth looking back and asking...
"Do I regret not reallocating at the bottom (-19.8% down) of the 4th quarter 2018 correction?"
"Do I regret not reallocating at the bottom (-33.9% down) of the spring 2020 bear market?"
"Do I regret not reallocating at the bottom (over -20% down) of the 2022 rate hikes market?"

I'm not selling, nor it is because it got cheaper. I'm changing my allocation because I think the world is rearranging itself so that the US is not the center, nor necessarily a major positive factor. And that will have consequences for the remainder of my lifespan. Others may disagree with me and that's fine. We'll find out over the next several decades who's right, and if in 5 years I decide that my fears were unfounded then instead of a 90%+ US allocation I'll have a 70-80% US allocation. Which isn't actually that crazy of a shift.

Realistically, all I'm doing right now is not adding to my US equity holdings. But considering it has quite literally been about 3 years since I last logged into the website, me making any changes at all is a pretty big deal.

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Re: I'm changing my asset allocation
« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2025, 10:40:28 AM »
The market is down less than 4% from a year ago.
It's not being down 4% from a year ago that is driving the question. It's whether decades of conditions that have driven US dominence on the world economic stage are ending. I can't think of a more appropriate reason to consider an AA change.

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« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2025, 10:50:09 AM »
The market is down less than 4% from a year ago.
It's not being down 4% from a year ago that is driving the question. It's whether decades of conditions that have driven US dominence on the world economic stage are ending. I can't think of a more appropriate reason to consider an AA change.

Or simply put "diversification is more important than ever".

Also, people tend to forget that equities are "high risk high reward" because we go for long periods of time only seeing the "high reward" side. Periods like now are the "risk" part of the equation that we only sometimes see.

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« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2025, 11:22:06 AM »
The market is down less than 4% from a year ago.
It's not being down 4% from a year ago that is driving the question. It's whether decades of conditions that have driven US dominence on the world economic stage are ending. I can't think of a more appropriate reason to consider an AA change.
I agree that the US is working hard to become a has-been economic power. However, where is there to invest that does not have problems?

The EU is deeply indebted, deeply divided, and deadlocked in bureaucracy. Given the surging popularity of semi-Trumpian movements in Germany, France, Hungary, Austria, Poland, Slovakia, etc. and the ever-present risk of more exits from the EU, it is worth asking if their voters are any wiser than US voters circa 2024.

Britain has cheap stocks, but it's for a reason. They've shot themselves in the foot with Brexit and 20-teens austerity, and London continues to bleed financial relevance. Liz Truss kindly revealed that the UK's borrowing capacity is near its limit. Plus the UK faces tariffs from the "trading partner" it was pivoting toward after breaking up with the EU. Eventually they'll be offered the option to become a vassal state of the declining US empire, which is suddenly acting in Russia's favor, or to return, hat in hand, to the EU. They should return to the EU, but their decision-making record is mixed lately.

Latin America has varying degrees of trade dependency on the US, and as the scapegoat for the current "they're takin' our jobs!" moment it seems they are unlikely to negotiate a good outcome with the Trump administration. A domino effect of recessions are on the way, from Mexico to Chile, and that is concerning since most democracies in the regions are flawed and weak. The worst part is that Latin America has historically been vulnerable to regime change efforts directed by the US, so they are likely to yet again face an era of proxy warfare between the U.S. and the global communist power - this time China.

Africa is in an even worse position than Latin America, with even less reserve strength to resist being the victims of great-powers conflict. Trumpian tariffs and the cut-off of aid will hurt their even-more-fragile democracies and potentially extinguish some of the markets that were even semi-investable before the chaos. South Africa and Nigeria seem to be teetering.

Australia and NZ are screwed in the same way Britain is screwed. They'll be torn between increased trade reliance on China with increased security reliance on the U.S. and will have to pick a path. Like Britain, they'll be offered vassal state status, and it probably won't be worth it. They'll be in the economic line of fire for the likely 2026 or 2027 invasion of Taiwan, and their ridiculously overheated housing market could collapse at any moment. They're just out of good options.

Japan, South Korean, and Southeast Asian stocks are due to tank when the Taiwan invasion occurs. A long-overdue military buildup could follow that event, but it won't be enough to offset demographic decline, or the damage to these mercantailist economies from Trump's tariffs and a global decline in trade. Japan and SK could look very vulnerable if the US military pulls out.

India's future could be bright, but their stocks are already expensive, and the country's backwardness and one-party-state corruption make it seem unlikely to carry the torch. I.e. if you're fleeing the U.S. stock market for India, and your reason is bad governance and high valuations, that's like going from the frying pan into the fire. Diversification of your bad options is all you'd get.

Then there's China, which returned basically NONE of the gains of extremely rapid GDP growth to foreign investors over the past 20+ years, and is therefore considered uninvestable by many people. Before betting on the communists, consider that US investors will likely be cut off within a year or two if/when China invades Taiwan, just as they were cut off from Russian stock funds, which went to zero. Also consider that China's biggest export market has all but cut them off. Instability is on the way.

A lot of this gets brushed over when one buys a fund like VXUS, but it's worth looking into the trash can before buying it. The current era of US governance weakness only brings the US down to the level of many competing markets.

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Re: I'm changing my asset allocation
« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2025, 11:53:54 AM »
That’s a lot of down sides, but the American one comes out trumps. What do you see as the positive side of these countries?

International means international, not one country. It’s not like any of these countries take up more than a minority of the world’s wealth - even the third largest economy in the world. International Diversification seems the best goal at this stage. It will be interesting what the two major elections bring in the next few weeks.
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« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2025, 12:03:05 PM »
The Bear Market in Diversification:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZW8kMEeMVs

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Re: I'm changing my asset allocation
« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2025, 12:12:48 PM »
Dalio forecasted the weakening of dollar, loss of reserve currency etc. along time ago

It made sense to me so i hold less vusa that vwrl for that longer term option.

I read his book.  I'm pretty sure Ray Dalio is a crackpot.   I'm certain he is right in specific circumstances, but I wouldn't make investment decisions based on what he says.

A very wealthy crackpot!

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