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Roland of Gilead

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Re: Random thoughts and plans for the coming inflation.
« Reply #550 on: December 13, 2021, 08:34:24 AM »
Only works well though if they don't just increase spending to negate that 5% drop in real debt.

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Re: Random thoughts and plans for the coming inflation.
« Reply #551 on: December 13, 2021, 10:00:20 AM »
Only works well though if they don't just increase spending to negate that 5% drop in real debt.

Correct.

If inflating your debt away is pain free, don't you think all these developing world countries would have played this trick by now?

It worked for the US in the post war period because GDP grew was able to grow at a decent clip while the nominal debt burden was kept in check.

Morgan Housel has a very good post on this: https://www.collaborativefund.com/blog/who-pays-for-this/

I don't see any political appetite for repeating this today. It is a long and painful process. Instead, the debt will just continue to grow faster than GDP and the GDP/Debt ratio will just keep climbing relentlessly.  Therefore inflation without fiscal restraint will be a disaster.

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Re: Random thoughts and plans for the coming inflation.
« Reply #552 on: December 23, 2021, 09:58:34 AM »
So, I don't know how many people are following the collapse of the Turkish economy right now, but it's a text book case of economic reality finally being forced upon an administration that refuses to acknowledge that up is not down, and black is not white.

- Gross economic mismanagement, check
- Rampant inflation, check
- Rapidly depreciating currency, check
- Paper assets collapsing, check
- Flight to hard assets, check
- Wages not keeping up with price rises, check
- Decimation of living standards, check


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Re: Random thoughts and plans for the coming inflation.
« Reply #553 on: December 27, 2021, 08:21:07 AM »
So, I don't know how many people are following the collapse of the Turkish economy right now, but it's a text book case of economic reality finally being forced upon an administration that refuses to acknowledge that up is not down, and black is not white.

- Gross economic mismanagement, check
- Rampant inflation, check
- Rapidly depreciating currency, check
- Paper assets collapsing, check
- Flight to hard assets, check
- Wages not keeping up with price rises, check
- Decimation of living standards, check
Direct attention away from the currency collapse by calling political opponents militants and rounding them up, check

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Re: Random thoughts and plans for the coming inflation.
« Reply #554 on: January 05, 2022, 06:17:51 AM »
My wife interacts with Turks for work, and their suffering is real.

What I don't see (in the US) is a dramatic downward lurch in foreign exchange markets for the US dollar that typically accompanies hyper-inflation. It's right there in the Turkish data.

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Re: Random thoughts and plans for the coming inflation.
« Reply #555 on: October 19, 2022, 11:13:21 AM »
- I also purchased a few hundred shares of TBT which is an ETF that shorts US treasuries and should pump if interest rates go up (and I don't think interest rates will diminish significantly or into negative territory) so I believe I have some downside protection.  At worst that money is stagnate, but it's a small portion of my overall portfolio.

Good news! I was correct and TBT is now at $35 from ~<=$21 when I posted the above.

Bad news! It took about 1.5 years for the Fed to do the right thing, and I saw the price hit $15 during that time. When the Fed finally started to do the right thing, I had lost all hope and cashed out just above break-even.

Worse news! The Fed then finally *acted* correctly and increased interest rates about two weeks later.

I have achieved nothing in life, and I thought this would be my break: something to look back on and say, "Gee, I may be a worthless loser, but at least I understand Keynesian 101." But I chickened out and sold. Does anyone have advice for how to not kill oneself when faced with the reality that they will never accomplish anything in life and are also a dumb dumb to top it off?

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Re: Random thoughts and plans for the coming inflation.
« Reply #556 on: October 19, 2022, 12:20:53 PM »
Does anyone have advice for how to not kill oneself when faced with the reality that they will never accomplish anything in life and are also a dumb dumb to top it off?
Perhaps lean into the integrity that you're demonstrating?  It's great that you came back to post about your miss; most folks wouldn't/don't do that, and its a good object lesson for others about the standard saws of not fighting the fed, and markets remaining irrational longer than you can remain solvent.  Good on you for reporting back to us!

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Re: Random thoughts and plans for the coming inflation.
« Reply #557 on: October 19, 2022, 01:43:44 PM »
There have been many times I've been right about something, only to fail at the execution stage. These instances of being right but acting wrong represent at least a 1:1 record of wins to losses, so console yourself with the knowledge that you got halfway there rather than beating yourself up over the loss in execution. Your account may not care, but you foresaw something unprecedented well before most investors did, predicted its expected effect on a specific financial instrument, and successfully executed the entry trade. Up until the point you made the one little mistake of selling, your record of correct calls was as good as it could be.

If you got 90% of the way there on this subject, what will you accomplish next time? I think we're in for at least another 175-200 basis points in hikes on the Federal Funds Rate, so if you agree it might it still be worthwhile to at least sell puts or do bull spreads on TBT.


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Re: Random thoughts and plans for the coming inflation.
« Reply #558 on: October 20, 2022, 08:03:17 AM »
- I also purchased a few hundred shares of TBT which is an ETF that shorts US treasuries and should pump if interest rates go up (and I don't think interest rates will diminish significantly or into negative territory) so I believe I have some downside protection.  At worst that money is stagnate, but it's a small portion of my overall portfolio.

Good news! I was correct and TBT is now at $35 from ~<=$21 when I posted the above.

Bad news! It took about 1.5 years for the Fed to do the right thing, and I saw the price hit $15 during that time. When the Fed finally started to do the right thing, I had lost all hope and cashed out just above break-even.

Worse news! The Fed then finally *acted* correctly and increased interest rates about two weeks later.

I have achieved nothing in life, and I thought this would be my break: something to look back on and say, "Gee, I may be a worthless loser, but at least I understand Keynesian 101." But I chickened out and sold. Does anyone have advice for how to not kill oneself when faced with the reality that they will never accomplish anything in life and are also a dumb dumb to top it off?

You just found out that being right but early is to all intents and purposes the same as being wrong.

talltexan

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Re: Random thoughts and plans for the coming inflation.
« Reply #559 on: October 21, 2022, 08:26:43 AM »
I suppose that principle has--as a corrollary--that the great advantage of buy-hold investing is in being right about only one thing: the asset class.

You don't have to get the timing exactly right. In effect, reducing variables you have to manage.

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Re: Random thoughts and plans for the coming inflation.
« Reply #560 on: October 21, 2022, 04:55:25 PM »
- I also purchased a few hundred shares of TBT which is an ETF that shorts US treasuries and should pump if interest rates go up (and I don't think interest rates will diminish significantly or into negative territory) so I believe I have some downside protection.  At worst that money is stagnate, but it's a small portion of my overall portfolio.

Good news! I was correct and TBT is now at $35 from ~<=$21 when I posted the above.

Bad news! It took about 1.5 years for the Fed to do the right thing, and I saw the price hit $15 during that time. When the Fed finally started to do the right thing, I had lost all hope and cashed out just above break-even.

Worse news! The Fed then finally *acted* correctly and increased interest rates about two weeks later.

I have achieved nothing in life, and I thought this would be my break: something to look back on and say, "Gee, I may be a worthless loser, but at least I understand Keynesian 101." But I chickened out and sold. Does anyone have advice for how to not kill oneself when faced with the reality that they will never accomplish anything in life and are also a dumb dumb to top it off?

@DiscoverJupiter, re the bolded part: yes, I very much have advice. Don't kill yourself today. (Tomorrow? It's a new day; repeat the process, don't kill yourself that day. I did that for about 90 days in a row and am very very very glad of it. It was unimaginably hard at times but turned out very worthwhile. Duration varies widely, don't measure yourself, just know you can make it through and you won't feel this way forever.)

Hopefully the bolded part was just dramatic chat and my response was just silly over-literal buzzkill. But as someone who did seriously consider suicide, lost a cousin to a short walk off a tall cliff, and has friends who've struggled with the issue, the depressed language sounded worrisome. If you are ever tempted by such a thing for real, call a suicide hotline immediately. Don't mess around with your mental health! There are people out there who want to help you, and it's very wise to let them.

At the risk of continuing to be a literalist, your phrasing sounds like you have very strong emotions about this, perhaps dangerously so. I don't mean that in a blaming way or a way that implies you're doing something wrong; I mean that if you feel like you sound, you're in a rough time emotionally and deserve to have relief from such a struggle, which may seem like a rather hopeless one. I can guarantee you that you do feel anything like I suppose, I've felt somewhat similar things and can assure that your situation is better than it feels no matter what your investment record. As time passes, especially if you let skilled and caring people help you with the emotional weather inside, you will find that the external things like investment results lessen in their weight and you will be able to handle life regardless of how particular events turn out.

Similarly, even if you cannot see any significant accomplishments, be aware that you deserve to live a happy life anyway. I don't mean that you are supposed to grin like someone in a beer ad and if you're not then you're a failure, I mean that it's possible to live without agony inside and have a daily experience that includes a modicum of peace for parts of the day; that, not grinning idiocy, is what I mean by happy. (Though grinning is fine, I do it sometimes.) If you were not raised in the idea that you are worth more than your accomplishments, this may sound impossible, but it's an ability that is almost certainly buried inside you and can be brought out if you give yourself time, allow people to help you, and so on. You may in addition find that there are accomplishments, either past ones you forgot or future ones you cannot anticipate yet, but hang on for the future happiness (intermittent peace, at least) without requiring yourself to be an accomplishment machine.

One thing you can read about in between talking with people is "catastrophic thinking." Google brings lots of articles this one linked below. Maybe they can help you shift from overgeneralizing from one investment result. As someone said already, lots of people had a correct investment analysis but lost money in the implemtation process. That's what happens to most investors using most strategies, after all; in investing, most of us fail routinely at almost anything that requires timing or complex actions - which means most investing strategies. Investors are usually smart people, but investing almost invariably includes numerous failures as part of the process.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320844
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Re: Random thoughts and plans for the coming inflation.
« Reply #561 on: October 24, 2022, 07:46:37 AM »
For people who are trying to emotionally manage market gyrations, JL Collins has a nice meditation for a bear market. I listened to it back in June, and it was very re-assuring.

I typically re-visit my retirement investments quarterly, not even logging in except at those moments. I'm also far from perfect, as I have dabbled with crypto and individual stocks in a taxable account. So I'm still working on myself!