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Tezz24

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ESSP and Equity Options
« on: January 21, 2018, 08:30:38 AM »
My wife has an ESPP through her company which she maxes out at 15%. She also receives a good size amount of equity annually that is on a 4 year vesting cycle.

There is ~45k in the ESPP. I know there are tax implications for selling within 1 or 2 years. She's had it for less than 2 years. It is on a two-year price cycle and right now she is buying in ~$60 and the current price is ~100. This a great deal now but the buy-in price is about to reset.

There is ~45k vested/~100k unvested in the equity.

I look at this money more as a safety net right now rather than a portion of our stache. When would you sell or how long would you hold onto these options? My main hesitation in selling is taxes. We are fortunate enough that we don't need this money on a monthly basis, but we pay a ton in taxes since we live in a very HCOL and rent.

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Re: ESSP and Equity Options
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2018, 08:52:34 AM »
I get both RSUs (what you're calling equity, I assume) and ESPP with set buy price for 2 years, then reset.  Both are managed through eTrade where ahead of time I can set what I want to do with it.  Hold it and pay the taxes due on vesting, sell immediately and pay taxes then, some other options that I don't remember.

I do remember the dot com bubble and collapse.  I do remember others thinking that the $500k in options are going to skyrocket even more.  I do remember these people paying taxes on the discount (market value minus strike), then the stock going to zero and it taking years to regain the tax paid.

Learning these lessons, my eTrade account is set to sell immediately on vesting.  I then transfer the money to my checking account and buy the ETFs and Mutual funds that I want to buy.

Tezz24

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Re: ESSP and Equity Options
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2018, 09:33:05 AM »
Thanks. I will likely sell most when the next window opens.

As for taxes on the ESPP, I thought you pay a much lower rate if you hold onto it for 2 years. Is this the case? I assume you'd say it's not worth it still.

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Re: ESSP and Equity Options
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2018, 10:33:23 AM »
Thanks. I will likely sell most when the next window opens.

As for taxes on the ESPP, I thought you pay a much lower rate if you hold onto it for 2 years. Is this the case? I assume you'd say it's not worth it still.

If your ESPP meets the statutory guidelines for special tax treatment (probably does), the taxes go down somewhat after 2 years (likely 1.5 in reality), but not enough that it should make a huge difference in your decision-making most of the time.

The holding period for special tax treatment is defined as two years from when the option to buy the stock is granted (i.e. the date the price calculation is set). A pretty typical structure for these ESPPs is to have six-month offering periods where you buy shares at the end of the period for a discount off the price at the beginning. If that describes your plan, you need to wait two years after the start of the offering period for the special tax treatment, or 1.5 years after you actually purchase the shares.

How special is this tax treatment really? Not much.

If you sell before the end of the two-year period, the entire discount off the fair market value on the day you bought the shares counts as regular compensation income and is taxed accordingly. Any additional gain above and beyond this is a capital gain, taxed at short-term or long-term rates depending on whether you owned the shares for a year.

If you wait to sell after the end of the two-year period, there's still going to be some compensation income. It's just that the date moves back to the beginning of the offering period, and the discount off that price now counts as compensation instead of the discount off the price on the date you bought the shares.

A bit of income switches from regular rates to long-term capital gains rates. That's all.

Example:
Your company's shares are worth $100 on January 1 2018. By July 1 the shares go up in value to $110. On that date your ESPP lets you buy shares for 15% off the lower of the January 1 or July 1 price, so you pay $85.

If you sell immediately for $110 you pay regular income tax on $25 of wage income ($110 - $85). No capital gains income. If your regular income tax rate is 25%, you pay $6.25 in tax, meaning you receive $18.75/share of financial benefit from the ESPP ($110 sale price - $85 purchase price - $6.25 tax).

If you wait until January 1 2020 to sell, and the shares are still worth $110 at that time, you now pay regular income tax on $15 of wage income ($100 - $85) and $10 of long-term capital gains ($110 - $100). If your regular income tax rate is 25% and your capital gains rate is 15%, you now owe only $4.75 in taxes, meaning you receive $21.25/share of financial benefit from the ESPP ($110 - $85 - $4.75).

Selling immediately gives you an instant 22% after-tax return on your investment. Waiting two years gives you a 25% return instead. Is that extra 3% worth tying up a bunch of money in a single stock for two years? I lean toward no.

If the stock had doubled in value during that six-month offering period rather than increasing by a modest 10%, we have a bit of a different situation. The potential tax savings goes up pretty significantly. You'll have to decide for yourself where the line between "worth the risk" and "not worth the risk" is. Most of the time, when the stock doesn't go up a huge amount, you'll probably want to just sell right away going forward.

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Re: ESSP and Equity Options
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2018, 01:06:46 PM »
Thanks Seattle. That's a great breakdown. And yes, it describes our situation perfectly.

Oddly, we actually do fit close to that last scenario where the stock almost doubled over that two-year period. Maybe I could wait to sell some of those shares?

We do purchase every 6 months, but the price is set for two years. Which has been great with the current increase (around double). The ESPP program started almost two years ago, so the purchase price is about to reset, which means we're looking at a more typical $1.00/$0.85 gain. With the obvious caveat that who knows where the price goes.

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Re: ESSP and Equity Options
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2018, 02:29:30 PM »
I was also burned once from espp.  I didn't realize I qualified yet (thought it wasn't until the next 6 month period).  Buy at $48.  I quit.  Price at that point, where I realize and sell.....$12.  Nobody worries about tax when you lose your shirt......you just worry about losing your shirt.

It's why I sell at vest always.

 

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