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Urban gardeners and guerrilla gardeners: show yourselves
« on: June 07, 2021, 09:17:37 PM »
When we FIREd we moved to a condo in a renovated historic building with not even a balcony.  I was quickly able to rent a community garden plot close to home where I grow veg and flowers.  Where I was once a suburbanite with a half acre lot, I have now become an urban garden ninja.

My new neighborhood sits close to a university campus and is a blend of stately older, well-loved homes with beautiful yards but also student housing, which can get messy at times.  I notice the messes, but also see opportunities.  I’ve now become quite active on the board of the local district and am working legit channels to green, beautify, and garden the neighborhood.  But I’ve also become a guerrilla gardener, pulling out noxious weeds in abandoned commercial properties with absentee landlords.  I recently did a large plot in a high viz area...cleaned it up and planted sunflowers, zinnias, and castor beans.  My whole purpose is to just get them to bloom.  Then someone can tear them down.  It’s like a temporary art installation.  I am a 50 YO, seemingly boring retiree, and I am the Banksy of my neighborhood.

I would love to hear from other urban gardeners making good trouble.
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« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2021, 10:17:09 AM »
Ooh -- I haven't done this yet but I would like to!  I'm about to start coordinating the campus weeding brigade for my daughter's high school.  I'm hoping I can rope some students into campus and neighborhood projects (they have service hours they need to to graduate).  Here for inspiration!

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« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2021, 11:24:48 AM »
Ha! I love this a lot. We haven't done much urban gardening - though we've spread extra native wildflower and grasses seeds in some spots. Mostly we're planting things in my partner's mom yard that is doing an excellent job spreading around her neighborhood - milkweed and edible winecap mushrooms.

Though... we started doing more foraging last year and got some paw paws and bladdernut seeds. We planted the seeds in feasible areas in our local poorly-managed forest preserves. Hopefully that works out.
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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2021, 08:24:17 AM »
In our townhouse, the neighbor has a tiny plot of grass - only about 3x5ft - that is never tended.  I leaned over the fence and tossed a packed of wildflower seeds around the space.  Hopefully some take!  Sadly I won't be there to see it, as we are selling the house.  I'll have to find some neglected verges near the new place to do the same.

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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2021, 06:40:05 AM »
Ooh -- I haven't done this yet but I would like to!  I'm about to start coordinating the campus weeding brigade for my daughter's high school.  I'm hoping I can rope some students into campus and neighborhood projects (they have service hours they need to to graduate).  Here for inspiration!

I started with zinnias and sunflowers.  Sunflowers are so showy and obviously a bit out of place in front of a bar, but that’s the point.  And who doesn’t smile when they see one.

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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2021, 06:42:49 AM »
In our townhouse, the neighbor has a tiny plot of grass - only about 3x5ft - that is never tended.  I leaned over the fence and tossed a packed of wildflower seeds around the space.  Hopefully some take!  Sadly I won't be there to see it, as we are selling the house.  I'll have to find some neglected verges near the new place to do the same.

That’s the spirit.  I haven’t had much luck seed bombing, but seed is cheap and I think what you did was fabulous.  I think I would have better luck if I added some soil, then raked in the seed.

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« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2021, 06:56:15 AM »
When I go on walks I develop my imagination for what could be done.  Sometimes it’s more inspired than others.  Yesterday, for instance, I was focused on litter.  I found a spot near the arboretum that needs me to do a five minute sweep with m trash picker.

I’m not sure about my high viz area.  I’ll check on it today.  We are in a drought, and it’s been hard keeping it watered.

My next strategy might be to buy a bag of garden soil, cut a flap on the side, plant the seeds right in the bag, and leave it with a sign that says, “Flowers growing.  Please water me.”  Yes, this is trespass of some sort, but people litter with impunity, so...

One of my abandoned areas (which could be really cool, if someone invested in it, has tables outside where people eat sometimes.  I’m thinking of taking tall boy beer cans, making planters out of them, planting spiky cacti in them ( low water requirement), and sticking little flags in them that say “ Don’t be a prick.  Throw your trash in the can.”  College kids will get it.

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« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2021, 01:58:57 PM »
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  But I’ve also become a guerrilla gardener, pulling out noxious weeds in abandoned commercial properties with absentee landlords.  I recently did a large plot in a high viz area...cleaned it up and planted sunflowers, zinnias, and castor beans.  My whole purpose is to just get them to bloom.  Then someone can tear them down.  It’s like a temporary art installation.  I am a 50 YO, seemingly boring retiree, and I am the Banksy of my neighborhood.
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@Trudie, or should I call you Garden-Banksy, I  love your idea.

Can I make a suggestion? Can you please plant native plants for your area? This way the pollinators, birds, and other wildlife will find food. Invasive plants, as well as cultivars of native plants, may look good, but the insects cannot eat them or use them for their young (e.g. caterpillar food). If the insects are not there, the birds do not show up since insects are a major part of their diets.

If you are on the migration path for monarch butterflies, make sure that the local version of milkweed is there as well as nectar plants for them.

I seed-bombed milkweed seeds in my area in late 2019 and I have been told by friends that there are clusters of milkweed plants all over the area now. Maybe I should change my name to JohnnyMilkWeedSeed ;-)
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« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2021, 02:08:17 PM »
Long time guerrilla gardener here. Decades long.

I live in an old city where lots are 25’ wide. Our property sits on one lot and we have two extra empty lots attached where Victorian townhouses once stood. They were razzed before our historic ordinance went into place that prohibits demolition. This is  Not nearly enough space for the both of us! We fight over every inch of ground here.

So decades ago we branched out. I farm my neighbor’s tiny front yard, I farmed a space across the street on a lot of an empty building before new houses were built there,  We both farmed (and started up)  our neighborhood community garden. I drop iris in medians all over our neighborhood. Iris breed like cats—you have to divide them every 3 years and they do not need water, so they are good public plantings. I farmed, for a long time, a 30 long swath in our public park.

But I did get tired of working with public planting areas Because as mentioned above, the water situation limits what you can plant, and also there was quite a lot of plant theft of anything that was vaguely interesting.

So still keeping up with much of the above plantings, we started buying tiny, decrepit houses nearby to use exclusively for the garden space. None of the houses were habitable, but they  had good garden space. See, real estate here is cheap and these acted as our “weekend house” where I had to drive only,5 minutes to get to my others gardens.

We have since sold all of those properties and are getting ready to move out to a small town where our house has 1 acre. I think 1 acre will be enough but we shall see!

Major reason we didn’t move to the country with big land decades ago is because I don’t wanna live in the country. I just don’t. Also deer are all over the place and I can’t grow lilies easily where there are deer. But also, I love the gardening resources of our City: they provide unmetered water, free compost, and free mulch. You can’t beat that!
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« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2021, 03:30:08 PM »
Also, we leased a huge lot from the city for $1 a year. Our city allows that for gardens.This lot was Nextdoor to a house we owned so that water source was easy.

We termed it our own “community garden” for the community of  Iris and Mr. Iris. Because it was a “community garden” the city delivered truckloads of mulch and compost every year. What an amazing service this was! They have since cut back on that.

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« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2021, 05:58:30 PM »
Ive just been out planting young peach trees (that came up from my compost) in a few choice spots round my neighbourhood. Its semi rural, we will see how they get on!

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« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2021, 11:09:52 AM »
We moved from a home on a large lot with a lot of garden beds to a third floor apartment near a university and downtown area. My entire balcony is a food garden from early spring through late fall.

I haven't been able to score a community garden plot yet, but I did manage to do some legit urban gardening. I'm a native plant steward and I volunteer my services with the local city parks department. I lead weeding crews and native plant restoration work parties along city trails, public right of ways, and in parks. I get to put in plant orders with the city whenever I schedule a work party. I've been slowly replanting the greenways around my neighborhood with edible native plants (spruce, salmon berry, huckleberry, hip-producing roses, and native fruit trees). I don't choose 100 percent edibles, as some sites are better for sword fern or cedar, but I try to intersperse as many as I can. This benefits my own local foraging habit and helps be plant a legit native food forest that both humans and wildlife can enjoy!

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« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2021, 11:43:26 AM »
It just occurred to me that we lost a long-term member of our community garden, a sturdy passion flower vine. They are so exotic looking and yet once they get established you can’t kill them.

Some enthusiastic weeder probably kept pulling it up, trying over and over to eliminate it. Well, they did.

That’s one of the downsides of gardening in public spaces,  enthusiastic weeders who know not what they are doing.. As the experienced perennial gardener in our shared perennial bed at the community garden, I try to tread lightly in being bossy. So, I plunge in to weed around delicate or special plants, leaving other weeds for the community gardeners assigned to that space. It worked last year and so far it’s working this year. Plus I am adding little fences around the “do not touch!” Plants.

Last year I had a beautifully clean area with huge fat iris rhizomes plopped into it. How anyone could mistake those giant things with cut tops for a weed is beyond me, but someone did and they pulled them all up.

Yet in the same area several Pokeweeds are being babied, as thought they are desireable. Go figure.
I send photos of Pokeweed and .bindweed out yesterday to community garden leaders so they could educate everyone to these invasive weeds.
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« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2021, 02:41:13 PM »
It just occurred to me that we lost a long-term member of our community garden, a sturdy passion flower vine. They are so exotic looking and yet once they get established you can’t kill them.

Some enthusiastic weeder probably kept pulling it up, trying over and over to eliminate it. Well, they did.

That’s one of the downsides of gardening in public spaces,  enthusiastic weeders who know not what they are doing.. As the experienced perennial gardener in our shared perennial bed at the community garden, I try to tread lightly in being bossy. So, I plunge in to weed around delicate or special plants, leaving other weeds for the community gardeners assigned to that space. It worked last year and so far it’s working this year. Plus I am adding little fences around the “do not touch!” Plants.

Last year I had a beautifully clean area with huge fat iris rhizomes plopped into it. How anyone could mistake those giant things with cut tops for a weed is beyond me, but someone did and they pulled them all up.

Yet in the same area several Pokeweeds are being babied, as thought they are desireable. Go figure.
I send photos of Pokeweed and .bindweed out yesterday to community garden leaders so they could educate everyone to these invasive weeds.

I hate to be cynical, but those iris are probably in a new home.  Someone took 2 large kale plants from our community garden last fall, roots and all.  Just in time for Canadian Thanksgiving.   The gardener had hoped to overwinter them.   :-(

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« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2021, 07:11:23 AM »
So far I've heard iris recommended for dry areas.  Other recommendations?  I fear that most of my seed scattering projects have failed.  We're in the middle of drought and I just can''t keep up.

Point taken on native species, which is generally my MO.  I garden legitimately on 800 square feet of city leased community garden.  We scheduled a local conservation organization to come talk with us next month about becoming part of the pollinator highway.  A lot of this work we're doing anyway, but we're gradually planting meadow and prairie strips around the garden.

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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2021, 07:21:59 AM »
@iris lily I love your idea of buying abandoned properties.  I wish land we're cheap to come by here because I be really miss having space for perennials.  We live in a condo near a college campus.  Property isn't at all cheap.  There would be many options for leasing, but that holds little appeal for me. 

There's plenty of rental housing on my block.  I imagine some landlords might allow someone to garden those spaces.  What's cared for is less likely to suffer from neglect.


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« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2021, 08:34:51 AM »
Love this thread! 

I've never tried it...but I read once that you can make small mudballs (in my mind I pictured the size of the meatball) with the wildflower seeds mixed in.  This prevents the birds from eating the seeds and also gives the seeds some dirt to germinate in.  Have no idea if it would work but it sounded legit...

I haven't done this in a public area.  I live on a dirt road and my dad and I planted daffodils and ditch lilies all down the fence row.  They bring me great happiness.  In my part of the country, the new thing is to mow your bar ditches so the wildflowers are going to become few and far between.

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« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2021, 09:31:03 AM »
So far I've heard iris recommended for dry areas.  Other recommendations?  I fear that most of my seed scattering projects have failed.  We're in the middle of drought and I just can''t keep up.

Point taken on native species, which is generally my MO.  I garden legitimately on 800 square feet of city leased community garden.  We scheduled a local conservation organization to come talk with us next month about becoming part of the pollinator highway.  A lot of this work we're doing anyway, but we're gradually planting meadow and prairie strips around the garden.

Yes, thank you for hearing my message about iris.

You won’t hear the fans of natives talk about hybrid bearded iris because iris are not especially attractive to pollinators. But I will tell you I planted Iris in medians in our drought of 2012. Those iris are thriving today. They didn’t bloom the next year or maybe even the following year, but that is ok. . They got established in drought year with one watering in, no more.
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« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2021, 09:37:35 AM »
It just occurred to me that we lost a long-term member of our community garden, a sturdy passion flower vine. They are so exotic looking and yet once they get established you can’t kill them.

Some enthusiastic weeder probably kept pulling it up, trying over and over to eliminate it. Well, they did.

That’s one of the downsides of gardening in public spaces,  enthusiastic weeders who know not what they are doing.. As the experienced perennial gardener in our shared perennial bed at the community garden, I try to tread lightly in being bossy. So, I plunge in to weed around delicate or special plants, leaving other weeds for the community gardeners assigned to that space. It worked last year and so far it’s working this year. Plus I am adding little fences around the “do not touch!” Plants.

Last year I had a beautifully clean area with huge fat iris rhizomes plopped into it. How anyone could mistake those giant things with cut tops for a weed is beyond me, but someone did and they pulled them all up.

Yet in the same area several Pokeweeds are being babied, as thought they are desireable. Go figure.
I send photos of Pokeweed and .bindweed out yesterday to community garden leaders so they could educate everyone to these invasive weeds.

I hate to be cynical, but those iris are probably in a new home.  Someone took 2 large kale plants from our community garden last fall, roots and all.  Just in time for Canadian Thanksgiving.   The gardener had hoped to overwinter them.   :-(
I don’t think the iris are in a new home (except as composted material) but I will tell you if they are, that would thrill me! They are increases of cultivars I already have. I love it when my extra Iris go in the ground and it doesn’t really matter to me where they go.

 

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« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2021, 07:46:36 PM »
I have a few artist friends I’m thinking of recruiting to my guerrilla gardeners group.  I think there is potential to repurpose objects in artful ways, then put them in yuck areas to make a point.  Temporary, living art installations.  Like a colorful little free seed library.

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« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2021, 08:22:02 PM »
I have a few artist friends I’m thinking of recruiting to my guerrilla gardeners group.  I think there is potential to repurpose objects in artful ways, then put them in yuck areas to make a point.  Temporary, living art installations.  Like a colorful little free seed library.

That would be fun!

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« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2021, 06:02:12 AM »
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I've never tried it...but I read once that you can make small mudballs (in my mind I pictured the size of the meatball) with the wildflower seeds mixed in.  This prevents the birds from eating the seeds and also gives the seeds some dirt to germinate in.  Have no idea if it would work but it sounded legit...
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These are called seed bombs and are a great tool for guerilla gardeners.

You make seed bombs with compost, clay, seeds, and very little water. You make it into a small ball (about the diameter of an American quarter) and you let it dry for a few weeks. So, your seed has a wonderful fertilizer shell and the seed is protected from any predators. Be very careful with the water, too much and you seeds might germinate.

Please make sure that you do not spread invasives and only plant natives to your area when you seed bomb. Local pollinator insects and birds are getting seriously impacted with non-native plants.

When using seed bombs, just be aware of the time when you use them. Some seeds need stratification, the seed needs to spend winter outside so that the water/cold/snow/ice can prepare the seed for germination. So,  you might have to bomb in late fall.

I used this method to bomb milkweed seeds, food for the endangered monarch butterfly, in late fall around my area. I must have put out about 1000 seed bombs. It seems to be quite successful as I have seen milkweed plants all over the areas I planted in.
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« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2021, 06:15:39 PM »
You all rock! I really want to do this too.

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« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2021, 07:33:11 PM »
That's some good information @CowboyAndIndian.  Thanks for sharing!

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« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2021, 09:14:42 PM »
I have tried seed bombs before with no luck.  The problem in some foot trampled areas is that there really is nothing to nourish the seeds, even if they are in compost.

The guerrilla gardening organization encourages people to plant a few sunflowers each year by finding a little corner, tree well, or abandoned landscape bed and poking in a few seeds.  They can be sufficiently watered with a water bottle on your walks in the normal course of business.  You have to admit, sunflowers make a dramatic and cheery impact.


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« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2021, 08:02:30 AM »
I do most of my gardening at a community garden plot I rent from the city, close to home.  I love the alchemy when people have great ideas.  I love the diversity of people and the friendships.  I love that there are kids involved and we’re growing gardeners, as well as gardens.  Quite often, good ideas come up organically and we cooperate to make them happen.  Like establishing a large prairie buffer and pollinator garden on the northern end of our property.  People have been digging up plants from home, grabbing free plants from conservation organizations, and contributing.

Gardening was always a hobby, but in retirement it has become my serious part time job.  I’ve never been happier.

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« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2021, 08:05:00 AM »
Gardening was always a hobby, but in retirement it has become my serious part time job.  I’ve never been happier.

I love this!

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« Reply #28 on: June 20, 2021, 10:56:47 AM »
I do most of my gardening at a community garden plot I rent from the city, close to home.  I love the alchemy when people have great ideas.  I love the diversity of people and the friendships.  I love that there are kids involved and we’re growing gardeners, as well as gardens.  Quite often, good ideas come up organically and we cooperate to make them happen.  Like establishing a large prairie buffer and pollinator garden on the northern end of our property.  People have been digging up plants from home, grabbing free plants from conservation organizations, and contributing.

Gardening was always a hobby, but in retirement it has become my serious part time job.  I’ve never been happier.

I requested a community plot almost two years ago, but still haven't heard back.   Huge demand....  In the meantime I am doing a fair amount of volunteering, in the neighborhood/at my daughter's school and through the organization I did my master composter training with.  Good way to get out of the house and meet people while doing something I enjoy.

I used to think I was horrible at keeping plants alive, but have hit my stride since we moved into this house/yard and  I have room to experiment.  I still lose some stuff but probably 70-80% survives and 40-50% thrives now that I have learned more about sun, soil and rain habits.  And I'm probably only paying for 20-30% of the seeds and starts because people who garden are such great sharers!

Great idea about the sunflowers, BTW.  Mine seem to be doing really well this year since I put them out later (last year the slugs got most of the tender starts).  I still have tons of seeds from the ones that matured last year so I should set those aside to scatter around the neighborhood next spring.

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« Reply #29 on: June 20, 2021, 11:27:27 AM »
There are a couple of sunflowers pockets by the highway overpasses around here. They are pretty much plant and forget it although someone needs to weed a few times.

Sunflowers self seed, but in my experience they revert immediately back to a generic, uninteresting
 flower. If we plant the orange ones, the short Teddy Bear ones, the giant
Russians or any of the interesting variants, the F1 generation goes back to that which is not interesting.

These annuals do not seem to do that, they are good for self seeding for many generations to produce the same plants: larkspur, Cleome, Moonflower, Bachelor’s buttons, to name a few.
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« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2021, 07:48:44 PM »
As much as I love gardening, this time of year is so not fun.  We’re in a drought and there is no such thing as getting work done in cool weather.

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« Reply #31 on: July 08, 2021, 12:10:56 PM »
COSMOS people, cosmos is the answer - pretty uncomplicated daisy, very pretty foliage! The tall bright yellow and the tall orange kind only.
Loves the heat - drought tolerant - reseeds like crazy.
You can literally shake out the seeds from the old plant or better yet, use the entire plant as mulch, the remaining seed heads will sprout.

The diablo variety is perfect for that and no, it will not revert to something unsightly, can get to five-six feet. I was very pleased to discover some changed to a light - sort of a vanilla yellow color and a few became shorter with the third or fourth re-seed. One even had a bright red outline.
Doesn't like wet feet, not happy in the shade, and accepts any kind of dirt.

My garden is filled with them. I liked them so much the first year I re-ordered a seed packet which I have not had to open, plenty of freebies sprout everywhere (they are really easy to pull up too) and I shake the seedheads wherever I want them - no planting or digging.

@Trudie
Love the wildflower with re-cycled art idea.

I'm shuddering at the idea of entering an empty lot, around here that might get you shot or brought in for questioning or G only knows what.
Our county crew will mow down and kill everything in sight with a chemical vengeance.

My only contribution, viable action consists of running out there the moment I hear their equipment roaring up and tell them to stay the hell away from the ditch along our property - in a nice way of course.
It has become a true natural habitat - I am the self-appointed defender of nature's realm.

Last count - 12-15 elderberries, loads of fern, a native low growing yellow daisy the only thing out of all my wild seed attempts that survived, tall native grass and plenty of weeds - some quite pretty like Spanish needle - a white daisy. Over the years I've managed to remove most of the foreign invasive species.
These days it is alive and thriving, always teeming with frogs, dragonflies, bees and every flying critter under the sun, so many different butterflies and weird metallic green bees and the strangest bumblebees.
All the birds fight over the berries... especially the cardinal and the bluejays, we have two types of aquatic turtle, herons, and egrets, a hawk, every kind of woodpecker in the old trees shading the ditch from the other side, squirrels, raccoons, opossums and a visiting pair of wild ducks all enjoying this small pocket of land.

I'm not a fan of restricting my garden to native plants only, I like all plants. I fend off the garden thugs and make sure there are plenty of plantings to feed the wildlife but I don't see any reason to exclude a plant because of where it came from.
Roses came from China - what would all those beautiful British gardens look like without Roses?

Wildflowers are beautiful, we have many different kinds in our lawn to the disgust of our lawn guy who finally gave up on recommending round-up to us. I'm thinking of throwing out clover seeds...

I was horrified to find out people spray for caterpillars if they so much as lay an egg on a passionflower leaf. Nature made passionflowers a host plant - the passionflower will be just fine. You wouldn't kill a pretty Zebra butterfly now would you?:)

Expand beyond the milkweed please, I'd hate to be left with only one butterfly species. Maybe I should get active locally?

All that native species talk reminded me of a purchase I put off due to covid. Two native firebush for the butterflies, the hummingbirds and the bees. It will make a good windbreak in the back forty where it can grow undisturbed, did I mention I never cut anything? It seems wrong, like cutting off a leg or an arm. Unless it is damaged, infested or a threat, I'm not cutting it.
The firebush has beautiful flowers, thrives on neglect and they are inexpensive.

Here is a link to a private butterfly garden in Florida. Her garden design looks awesome but way too orderly for me.
http://butterfly-lady.com/tag/firebush/

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« Reply #32 on: July 08, 2021, 02:59:49 PM »
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« Reply #33 on: July 09, 2021, 11:00:07 AM »
“lExpand beyond the milkweed.”

Oh yes!please!

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« Reply #34 on: July 09, 2021, 12:52:42 PM »
Our county crew will mow down and kill everything in sight with a chemical vengeance.

This made me laugh :) Believe it or not, there's an FDOT Wildflower Management Program toolkit and model ordinance that they try to encourage county's maintenance/mowing staff to adopt and implement: https://flawildflowers.org/protect/.

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All that native species talk reminded me of a purchase I put off due to covid. Two native firebush for the butterflies, the hummingbirds and the bees.

This'll be awesome, put off no longer! That crazy smiling crab spiky orb spider I had the other day was on firebush, along with a hummingbird, butterfly, dragonfly, bees...they hum with life. But can sometimes get "leggy", I had to get ruthless with mine at one point.

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« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2021, 06:55:15 PM »
I am not a native plant purist, but I try to show some preference for them.  Several professional horticulturalists have explained to me that (unfortunately) due to climate change and other eco calamities (over development ), that a native plant isn’t always the best solution.  I am just scrupulous in making sure I don’t introduce harmful and invasive plants into the mix.

There is so much more to the butterfly than the Monarch, so much more to the bee than the non-native honey bee, and so much more to the pollinator-friendly landscape than milkweed. 

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« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2021, 07:37:59 PM »
Am I missing something? We are not where we need to be yet with milkweed replacement, and the Western Monarch is in serious peril. They also need nectar sources, of course. But native milkweed planting is a major effort right now, in the right places, of course. Would love to be wrong. Also love my monarchs! I have other butterflies and pollinators in my yard too. The milkweed attracts them too.
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« Reply #37 on: July 11, 2021, 07:12:42 AM »
Pollinators -
I let a few of last year's small onions overwinter in my vegetable garden, to see if I could produce seed this year.  They are in full bloom and attracting a small beetle for pollination.  Alliums seem to be attractive to lots of insects.  I had a showy allium once that attracted large shiny blue-black wasps.  Lots of them, so they were obviously common in my area.  I had never seen them before.

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« Reply #38 on: July 11, 2021, 08:45:29 AM »
Am I missing something? We are not where we need to be yet with milkweed replacement, and the Western Monarch is in serious peril. They also need nectar sources, of course. But native milkweed planting is a major effort right now, in the right places, of course. Would love to be wrong. Also love my monarchs! I have other butterflies and pollinators in my yard too. The milkweed attracts them too.

No, you're bang on about the monarch.  And every serious gardener I know has a healthy stand of milkweed.  My intent was merely to point out that there is a range of pollinating insects and creatures (birds) that needs biological support. 

So many of the species I plant in my garden that are excellent for pollinators (zinnias, sage) are technically not native. 

Professional horticulturalists and permaculture experts I have talked with have spoken to the need to reconsider natives in certain situations.  For example, the tall grass prairie is native where I live. My municipality is encouraging and providing incentives for native landscaping, including hellstrips.  But many prairie plants are simply unwieldy and oversized for that situation.  What I more often see are cultivated ornamental grasses that are technically nativars, bred for certain characteristics, but which are manageable in a residential landscape and have superior characteristics such as upright growth habits, and ability to stand up to wind.

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« Reply #39 on: July 12, 2021, 08:14:46 AM »
Am I missing something? We are not where we need to be yet with milkweed replacement, and the Western Monarch is in serious peril. They also need nectar sources, of course. But native milkweed planting is a major effort right now, in the right places, of course. Would love to be wrong. Also love my monarchs! I have other butterflies and pollinators in my yard too. The milkweed attracts them too.

@Fru-Gal - not to worry:). I do my best for the Monarch just as I do for all the other butterflies:).
Based on all the efforts of the wildflower-butterfly-native plant enthusiasts in my area the milkweed business is thriving.
Every nursery has a corner dedicated to butterfly-friendly plants with a picture of the Monarch prominently displayed.

The message is strong - all I'm saying is that we need a more balanced approach.
If I recall correctly this movement was started by one woman in NYC. It is important to remember that one person can change the world.
In that vein - I wish to spread the message that it is time to be more inclusive.

Not to offend, but as a point of discussion,
if we focus on one species at the exclusion of all others the ecosystem will continue to struggle in an effort to reach a balance.
BALANCE - nature loves balance above all things.
The simple fact is that you can't establish a vibrant, successful ecosystem without balance - it is nature's law.

We all love the Monarch butterfly and I am happy to seed out some milkweed for them. I bought the recommended plants - three times! - they all died in my yard. So I ordered seeds for three other milkweed species - so far none of them took.
I will keep trying. Occasionally I buy a milkweed plant and leave it in a pot, it survives longer that way than if I plant it in my yard.

FWIW - I saw more Monarchs in my garden this year than in past years but what really had me excited is that I noticed four new species of butterflies I had never seen in twenty years.
Sweet success!

I am not a native plant purist, but I try to show some preference for them.  Several professional horticulturalists have explained to me that (unfortunately) due to climate change and other eco calamities (over development ), that a native plant isn’t always the best solution.  I am just scrupulous in making sure I don’t introduce harmful and invasive plants into the mix.

There is so much more to the butterfly than the Monarch, so much more to the bee than the non-native honey bee, and so much more to the pollinator-friendly landscape than milkweed. 

@Trudie  -  Agreed.
Interesting, I never knew that the honey-bee was not native.

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« Reply #40 on: July 12, 2021, 08:23:23 AM »
And then, there are the controversies about types of Asclepius and how we shouldn’t plant x type because it blooms too late in the year and keeps Monarchs off their migratory pattern.

I don’t pay attention, I just plant what I want to plant.
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« Reply #41 on: July 12, 2021, 08:58:34 AM »
Cool, thanks for the explanation. If you are in Florida, @Rosy, AFAIK the Eastern Monarch is doing well. I have seen in some areas they are now discouraging milkweed planting and encouraging nectar plants. I also know that it can be hard to propagate from seed. Mine has done quite well; I have a fancy native kind that the butterflies ignore and then their favorite narrow leaf native that is spreading nicely.

I guess I was late to the party as I only found out about millkweed about 3 years ago. I freaked out about it, used to accost strangers passing my garden with the topic. That gave me an insight which is how something that seems incredibly urgent to you (like getting rid of your car or at least only having 1 and biking more) is meaningless to others, and how that applies to every single urgent action topic. So instead I simply enjoy the monarchs for the last 3 years. First time having them in my yard in the 25 years I've been here! This year I have 4 butterflies!

Now, I'd like to find out more about this supposed woman in NYC! In my state there's a massive government effort to restore milkweed. It may be too late. We also don't know exactly what's happening; it may not only be because of lack of milkweed and/or glyphosphate (Round Up) use. It could simply be that in a warmer climate their migration route is changing.

As for native plants, I'm not a purist. The thing I avoid is really invasive non-natives. But even those, if you love them and know they won't get out, can be cultivated in a pot or pond.
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« Reply #42 on: July 12, 2021, 03:16:43 PM »
When I had to sit through a recent garden club meeting (not my club) waiting ro give a presentation, the purists in that group Remindedall that we should not cut down our dead brown perennial stalks and leaves until mid June.

I noped right out of that discussion and thought my own thoughts to myself until it was time for me to give my little presentation.

I’m sure she would be horrified to know that I’m contemplating burning my iris beds. Yes it is to kill insect eggs as well as bacteria and micro other microscopic things that are unwelcome.


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« Reply #43 on: July 12, 2021, 04:13:34 PM »
Oh wow, @iris lily. Purists in any group really know how to ruin the fun.

I always think the missing link in environmentalism is the hedonism. If it's only gloom & tragedy & guilt, no wonder no one wants to do it. Granted, probably most won't anyway (as I've read in the biking forums). But maybe a little seed is planted in their minds...

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« Reply #44 on: July 12, 2021, 04:18:30 PM »
Oh wow, @iris lily. Purists in any group really know how to ruin the fun.

I always think the missing link in environmentalism is the hedonism. If it's only gloom & tragedy & guilt, no wonder no one wants to do it. Granted, probably most won't anyway (as I've read in the biking forums). But maybe a little seed is planted in their minds...

The permaculture crowd seems more oriented this way.  Set up your environment in a sustainable/mutually reinforcing way and then you can kick back and enjoy it for years to come.

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« Reply #45 on: July 12, 2021, 07:35:27 PM »
I took a permaculture course offered by my county conservationist (and certified permaculturalist).  At the beginning of the class one woman proclaimed that she was ripping out her yard and totally going native.  She was very proud of this fact, but the permaculture instructor reiterated what I relayed above about how there are changing climate and ecological conditions that may make a non-native plant more suitable for certain jobs.

And yes, there’s hedonism... for sure.  Landscapes should be a feast for the senses.  I can’t imagine my garden without the smell of lavender or the sight of non-native ornamental grasses in winter.  But they also keep insect life very happy, even though they aren’t natives.

I adore the naturalistic planting schemes and visions of Piet Oudolf and his followers.  His NY High Line and Chicago Millennium Park projects are both feats of engineering and aestheticism.  But to do it, he used many cultivated “nativars” with certain characteristics that made them suitable to plant in those locations.  Transforming otherwise ugly and disused space into livable green space is of high social benefit.  I think he’s accomplished something phenomenal and has changed the way we think about urban space.  I won’t bicker with his plant choices.