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Re: Planting and growing your own 2024
« Reply #200 on: November 01, 2024, 07:43:32 AM »
We have had our hard frosts and I have gotten most of the food harvested.

It was a really good year for pumpkins and squash. Three wheel barrels full! Most is still to be donated but with a harvest of this size the food pantry has to make special arrangements to receive it. Right now I have boxes and baskets on the garage floor where my car should be.

I still have to harvest the carrots, celery, beets and leeks.

Garlic was planted a month ago. Much of the garden requires a good weed, a mulch or top dressing to compost over winter. I have no idea when I shall be able to get to that.

No particular crop failures.

Next year I hope to:
Label better. It was much better than previous years, but I would like to know what seedlings were which variety. I think I have done better with seed collecting this year.
Plant less variety. I couldn't figure out what pepper was what and I didn't have enough of any one type. Ditto paste tomatoes.
Plant less. The properly spaced plants I restrained myself did so much better.
Not bother with eggplants. I don't like them enough to baby them along. And they require babying in my area.
Plant more shallots, sweet white onions.
Direct sow the leeks and onions.
Winter sow (if I get time) directly into the ground peas beets and carrots.

Really happy overall with the quantity, quality and variety of food that I grew.

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Re: Planting and growing your own 2024
« Reply #201 on: November 01, 2024, 11:53:30 AM »
Nice one @Frugal Lizard
@the lorax is raspberry rust one of the ones you can spray milk on to fix?

We are having a very wet Spring and I have been holding off on planting out some of my seedlings although I really should get my cucumbers out - they are getting pretty big. I’ve carrying my seed trays back and forth between the laundry and my back porch depending on where the sun is and this has got my baby bear pumpkin seeds germinating. I have around 15 tomato and 4 tomatillo seedlings so far and that might be enough for us - I don’t want a repeat of last year’s tomato tsunami. The direct sown leeks are small but persistent and some of the beans are finally coming up.

The broad beans that I planted in Autumn are podding and we just cut the second cauliflower. Out of the mixed pack, broccoli was all eaten by slugs, the cabbage didn’t grow and then bolted before really forming a head, cauliflower was great. I might leave brassicas to my mum. The silver beet that has been providing copious greens for the last year is finally going to seed, regardless of how many times I cut out the flowering stem so I think I will let it and we see if I get volunteers self-seeding.

Question for people doing the cut-off rather than pull out method of clearing - what do you use to cut through the world’s thickest stems? I resorted to pulling the celery and cauliflower roots out purely because I couldn’t cut through with my secateurs. I also didn’t want to ruin a kitchen knife.

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Re: Planting and growing your own 2024
« Reply #202 on: November 01, 2024, 02:47:16 PM »
thanks @mspym  I'll look it up to see if it might work. Tomato tsunami made me giggle :) as for chopping down the big stuff - long handled loppers or, failing that, a small saw

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Re: Planting and growing your own 2024
« Reply #203 on: November 02, 2024, 07:00:10 AM »
I also use a hori hori knife for thick but fleshy type chopping. My hedge loppers are good in some situations.

I like having a lot of choice. And I also just don't chop everything. After our winter many plants just crumple up in the spring. The kale will shoot out again and I can get a couple of picks before it bolts.

I have really been leaning in to the less is more approach. My garden is very productive despite the messy appearance.

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Re: Planting and growing your own 2024
« Reply #204 on: November 13, 2024, 02:20:29 PM »
My garden is destroyed.
One windstorm and two almost back-to-back hurricanes did a number on the old trees, mine and our neighbors which all fell on our property.
Four huge old trees - one of them our 40ft Avocado tree devastated my garden - not to mention 5 Banana trees that toppled over. or the damage done to 3 small trees.

Anxiety times ten.
If I could I'd move out of Florida tomorrow.
It was so bad that I couldn't even get myself to take a pic of the destruction...

On the bright side, we are fine, the house is fine, and by some miracle, the Avocado tree trunks did not damage the two-story shed, just minor roof damage is all.

Add to that we had a huge 40ft Java Plum removed and our neighbors cut down two trees and chopped off a good third of our tree that was leaning over and you know that the entire landscape has changed significantly.
Shade is difficult to find now, I'm scrambling to find solutions - thank goodness that I planted a small ornamental shade tree by the veggie garden 3 years ago - even it got almost uprooted but is doing fine now.
The two arbors I ordered in the spring survived unscathed and provide some much needed shade, regardless I need more shade in the veggie garden for next year.

Sadly this event shined some light on my need to cut back on gardening overall, age and health-related. I've been working on a less intensive gardening plan, naturalizing a couple of areas, getting garden help...
My focus and planting plans in the past two years has been to simplify and stop obsessing over acquiring new plants and stop seed and plant experiments that take more effort and time than I can handle.

As much as I love my garden I need to be realistic and accept that something has to give - so I prioritize now, but I also realized that I really, really like doing garden art projects and moped around when I had no energy/time to do them.
So tomorrow I will be painting and stenciling, two sets of four, 16 inch pavers.
One is a new installation, gravel pathway to the shed with the four big pavers in front of the shed entrance - because that is where we had standing water the last two hurricanes. I'm going with dragonfly, tropical leaf, and not sure which one of my other stencils. I've got lots of stencils to choose from, maybe I'll do a star pattern or flowers instead ...We'll see.
The other four pavers are part of the "parterre" in the veggie garden and those will be leaf patterns - perhaps one dragonfly at the main entrance...

It has been non-stop garden clean-up and I'm still a good month away from having 80% of the garden "restored", it was half an acre of destruction, all you could see were downed trees. No access to the veggie garden at all, the back forty and the Secret Garden mostly inaccessible. Everything a mess, branches everywhere.
With luck we might be done by Christmas but I have a feeling it will be the end of January - just in time for spring gardening:).
Starting next week there will be a bit of planting, mostly to do with changes in the garden and if I can manage it I'd like to get Rosemary, Geraniums, Lettuce, plus, I'll have to check what fall seeds I have that I could still plant.
I know that I have a packet of cool-looking native Lily seeds that get six feet tall that I found and fell in love with - so that's something to look forward to.
Maybe I'll even come across a new birdbath - the paperbark maple smashed my Celtic Concrete bird bath - sigh.

I think I'm just now recovering from the shock - it was all too overwhelming. Hard to know where to even begin and formulate a plan - but all in all we got lucky!
So far we used just about every tool in the toolbox and every garden implement in the shed, tree stakes from Amazon, and days upon days of chainsaw(ing:).
As of yesterday, I'm beginning to see my garden reemerge which means I can relax and breathe again.

Good to see the garden forum still active - Happy Gardening everyone!
 

 


 

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Re: Planting and growing your own 2024
« Reply #205 on: November 13, 2024, 03:15:40 PM »
@Rosy
I am very sorry for your loss of old fruit trees in the garden. Still, this was perhaps the better to loose than buildings.

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« Reply #206 on: November 14, 2024, 09:44:56 AM »
I'm so sorry about the loss of your trees, @Rosy -- but glad that you and the buildings are all safe!

1/2 an acre is a LOT!  I only have a 6000 sq ft lot and about 4000 of that is yard, but it is still a lot to stay on top of.  Would you ever consider downsizing?  Or moving out of Florida?  I am thankful to be in a spot that is relatively safe from weather extremes.  I grew up next to forest in the foothills of the cascades and even in the '80s we were always worried about forest fires -- much more so now with our hot dry summers.  Windstorms were also crazy -- my sister had a big Douglas Fir come down in her front yard once, thankfully it fell away from the house.

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Re: Planting and growing your own 2024
« Reply #207 on: November 14, 2024, 11:16:40 AM »
@Rosy That is heart breaking.

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Re: Planting and growing your own 2024
« Reply #208 on: November 14, 2024, 11:28:58 AM »
@Rosy i am so sorry about the devastation. Your stencils sound *lovely*

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Re: Planting and growing your own 2024
« Reply #209 on: November 14, 2024, 03:57:42 PM »
@Rosy that's so sad, best wishes for a successful garden recovery
heartbreaking to lose mature trees

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Re: Planting and growing your own 2024
« Reply #210 on: November 14, 2024, 11:33:50 PM »
I planted out my tomato seedlings yesterday along with nicotiana and dianthus that I started from seeds. The borage, phacelia and comfrey are all doing well so hopefully we'll get some flowers to go along with the pumpkins.

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« Reply #211 on: November 19, 2024, 08:09:07 PM »
Thank you everyone - I knew real, passionate gardeners would understand my woes:). Everyone else just says, "it will grow back" - clueless!
Anyway, I haven't started my garden art project yet because my garden helper will only be in the states for another two weeks. Instead, I've been working hard right alongside her knowing there is still a ton of work to do.

I'm so grateful to have help, you've no idea. It has been impossible to get any tree companies, even now it is still difficult. I certainly was not the only one with dangerous tree damage from the two hurricanes, many people couldn't enter their home. Even if we had been lucky enough to find a tree service we are talking many thousands of dollars for huge trees in dangerous positions and hard to access.

I've never attempted such a massive tree removal chainsaw cutting project. Other than cutting some branches I initially had no intention of even trying but after a week I realized no one was going to come for a long time, weeks at best.
In the end this calamity saved us at least ten thousand dollars probably way more by cutting everything ourselves. The five banana trees just required a Machete which she happened to know how to use. So we borrowed my neighbor's Machete and we used our old chainsaw for days on end.

Towards the very end of all that chainsaw(ing), one of the many out-of-state tree service companies that is now still working here in Florida left a card at our door. I was hesitant at first but it turned out fine.
They had the MacDaddy of all chain saws which was necessary to cut the last one of the main trunks and two climbers that cut the one hazardous trunk too high for us to reach.

This week we are tackling the back forty which got hit hard, all the Elderberries had damage and one end of the garden got hit particularly hard by one of the falling trees. Add to that over the summer two invasive vines managed to take hold and needed to be removed and I had let one small back corner go unattended for the past two years, yeah well.
There hasn't even been a pathway in that area since the hurricanes, it was full of debris, falling branches.... We took care of 70% of that today but it will take two more days at least to deal with all of the damage in the back forty.

At some point, we also managed to set up a new and improved compost area and even got in quite a bit of organizing like storage for garden pots which got destroyed. Still need to sort fence materials and such but we already set up a new area for wood storage. In case you are wondering, yes I am using a lot of the tree trunks and debris in my organic garden but this was so massive and incomprehensible that we have had stacks and stacks along the roadside off and on for weeks.
Thankfully the state of Florida will be picking up debris from flooding and tree damage curbside for a full three months, we keep stacking and they come and get it.

By now you understand why I'm dying to do something, anything that isn't hurricane damage related like starting seeds or an art project.
I did take one day out to re-do the gazebo area which had no damage but was due for a serious clean-up after the long, brutally hot summer. We replaced the outdoor lighting, encouraged the Jasmine vines to climb, changed the big umbrella since the first storm destroyed the old one. We put back all the decor items, urns... that I'd stuck in the shed to keep them safe from the hurricane.

It didn't help that I had to move a lot of things around from one area to the other to protect them away from the cutting and the tree branches. Things were buried under debris that had to be cleared, then I played musical chairs seemingly endlessly.
Now all that's left is a bit of sanding and chair painting whenever...:).

I can't overstate how lucky we were. Miraculously our old oak tree survived intact with literally only one minor branch broken - unbelievable.
So Party Central became the first area to be functional again - ready for Sunday Brunch (we no longer do big football or birthday parties) and visits from friends and neighbors.
I can hide in the gazebo and pretend that all is well - and maybe it is, although it is hard to acknowledge that while I'm still dealing with the fall-out.

@lhamo - actually it is an acre but only half of it had severe damage, the rest of the garden around the house and out front is fine but desperately needs the usual summer damage control slash clean-up. Not there yet - at all.
I already took out part of the garden to reduce the work involved and I'm implementing a new garden plan for the tropical garden which should be low maintenance, a mix of permaculture and "naturalizing".

The bird, bee and butterfly habitat I created has been getting better each year - more critters and more insects. It is one of the reasons why I love my garden so much.   
Not to mention the three raccoons, the Oppossum, two black racer snakes, squirrels ...

I always thought this was a great spot to retire in place, we are only 30 minutes away from everything. Hospital(s) 10-20 min, Mall(s) 30 min, Entertainment/Sports 30 min, Beach 30 min in a well run small city that cares yet part of the Tampa Bay-vacation area.
Our place is just a small bungalow but it is on two lots on a corner property so the garden became my hobby-sanctuary-living space and entertainment space.
These new, drastic weather patterns are unholy and scary so I'm ready to move.

@lhamo   Unfortunately, No - can't leave Florida right now for several reasons but perhaps in two years from now when Mr. R. retires we might move. We do not get flooded and we never lose power because we are on a hospital/fire department line (lost power once in 20 years for about four hours). So I will do what I said during the last monster hurricane  Irma - I've never been so scared in my life - definitely taking a flight to Vegas or Timbuktu - not staying.

The veggie garden is 90% restored so there is hope for a little bit of fall gardening which would make me very happy. Maybe that art project will happen soon.

   
 

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Re: Planting and growing your own 2024
« Reply #212 on: November 19, 2024, 10:15:37 PM »
I am just about ready to plant out my peppers. It’s been super windy today so I’m glad they were sheltered inside. First step is to harden them off. I also succumbed to garden centre temptation and bought alyssum, proper nicotiana seedlings*, a basil plant* and a cape gooseberry. And an orange tree for my mum’s birthday.

*refusing to grow from seed, I am buying this in. Hopefully they self-seed for next year.

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Re: Planting and growing your own 2024
« Reply #213 on: November 22, 2024, 08:22:26 AM »
We just had our first snow. I brought in the last of the bell peppers - and it is still shocking to me that they were still growing in mid-November... (probably not quickly, but still).

I forgot to move the chard but it is still seems happy, so I'll continue eating from it outside.

@Rosy your muscles must be fierce with all that clean-up!

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« Reply #214 on: November 29, 2024, 02:19:18 PM »
@mspym Speaking of temptation I went to someone's "backyard" nursery for celery and came home with a variety of peppers and tomatoes, Catnip - because we're getting a new kitty tomorrow:), and ten other plants, like 2 Rosemary - which I can never seem to propagate successfully (but he gave me some tips, so I might try again), never had any luck with seeds either.
I was really excited to find a couple of Blue Butterfly Peas, but upon closer inspection I had to isolate one plant and may have to dispose of it because it has that dreaded white powder stuff disease and I don't want to infect the rest of my garden.

@tygertygertyger  LOL - my garden definitely helps to keep me fit:).

I caved and ordered seeds online from Botanical Interest and I am so tempted to order from Seed Savers and Baker Creek Heirloom Seeds and I wanted more of the perfect red Zinnia that I got from Renee's Garden seeds. I made a list of my wants and was horrified at the total price.
Not happening!
So I guess I will set a splurge budget and that will be the end of that.

I'm so happy that we made such good progress in the garden, beyond my expectations. That gives me a small window of time to seed a few fall and spring veggies, herbs and flowers - yay!
The rest is just the usual garden clean-up after our brutal summers. By that time Spring gardening will be in full swing, around the 1st of March, for my area.
HAPPY GARDENING everyone!:)

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« Reply #215 on: November 29, 2024, 03:31:52 PM »
@Rosy - belated condolences on losing all of those mature trees. That hurts.

I just picked the last of our pomegranates for the season. I'm guessing we got about 40-50 this year, which is really nice. My husband planted the tree when we moved it, and it has more than paid for itself. 1) pomegranates are by their very nature super pricey 2) this tree requires very minimal water and zero upkeep. I do need to trim it, now that I have all of the fruit off of it. We only lost 3 fruit to predators this year, which is our best record by far.

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« Reply #216 on: November 29, 2024, 04:08:53 PM »
GUYS I HAVE PLANTED ALL MY SEEDLINGS! I now have so much clear bench space in the laundry and the wee seedlings are netted against the blackbirds, who have been ripping everything up, and there are no more seedling jobs to do. Which frees up a bunch of garden energy to tackle regular cut-and-drop weed mulching and all of the other jobs around the house that i have been neglecting.

Executive decisions I made:
- no more garden beds, there are only two of us and I don't need any more work
- I didn't plant nightshades in the front garden bed, which gives me crop rotation room for next year
- getting enough plants to survive to form windbreaks is my main priority for the next few years. The onshore winds are *ridiculous* here. (I am using some wind-cloth but I prefer the aesthetics of shrubs and grasses in the wind)
- embrace the strew and forget method. If a plant can't germinate and survive here, that is the wrong plant for my garden.
- I am only growing plants that we want to eat. I am not growing carrots because we live in the carrot-bed of Aotearoa and I can buy the best carrots in the country for a fraction of the labour effort of the wonky carrots I would grow.

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« Reply #217 on: November 29, 2024, 05:32:49 PM »
@mspym - congrats on getting all of the seedlings planted, and freeing up the associated physical & mental space!

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Re: Planting and growing your own 2024
« Reply #218 on: November 30, 2024, 08:04:20 AM »
Green with envy....it is snowing and blowing around here.

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« Reply #219 on: November 30, 2024, 10:24:49 AM »
@MaybeBabyMustache of course I promptly started wondering if I wanted to try Three Sisters planting next year only to realise that it’s Too Windy for that to be much of a success. Just hoping the windbreak plants get some height in the next couple of years.
@Frugal Lizard but snow in winter is pretty nice, no? (We don’t get snow where I am, just grey grey rain with bonus wind). How is the Spring planning going?

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« Reply #220 on: November 30, 2024, 11:03:22 AM »
Potatoes:
I ended up throwing away about half of my home grown potatoes. Mostly because of failed storage in a fridge. Some got white fungus infection because of a squash in the same drawer that had it. Others were thrown away for other reason that made them unedible.

Conclusion for next year is that from next year, I will only grow modern type potatoes, that are mostly immune for potato diseases. I will order fresh seed potatoes, instead of my using own seed potatoes from last year.
And I won't be growing 5 raised beds with potatoes, so that there is more room for other veggies.
I will also precultivate the potatoes in pots. The potatoes that I planted out this year, started growing plants at very different times. Some a month later then others. That made my garden planning difficult.
The other thing is that I need to write down exactly which potato plant that flowers. So that I know a few weeks later which plant can be harvested. Now I had some plants with huge potatoes, while others had mostly tiny potatoes. I had totally lost overview of which plants had flowered.
And maybe there is something to say for growing potatoes in pots where you can check the harvest in the sides of the inner pot.

Chilies:
I had to cut down all my chili plants, because they had some spidery mites. I wanted to keep one plant (Jalepeno) and it now overwintering downstairs, in a cold and dark place. I hope it gets back to being alive in spring when it is returned to warmth and light.

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Re: Planting and growing your own 2024
« Reply #221 on: December 01, 2024, 07:01:19 AM »
I am needing a rest so the cold is good.

I wish I had gotten the final bits of the harvest done. There are some frozen cabbages, carrots, celery and leeks still out there.

Yesterday I made two types of soup. Onions, scallions, shallots, beans, celery, carrots and green peppers from the garden.  And ginger! I pulled one root from the pot I have been attempting to grow my own ginger in for two seasons. It is so strong and juicy.

I just realized: the Gardening season has changed to the eating season. So many meals this past week have been elevated by the bounty from last season. It is all worth it. 

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« Reply #222 on: December 02, 2024, 08:41:39 AM »

I just realized: the Gardening season has changed to the eating season. So many meals this past week have been elevated by the bounty from last season. It is all worth it.

Yes! I am still eating cherry tomatoes that have ripened on a baking sheet. I move a handful onto the kitchen counter everyday to remind me to add them to whatever I cook.

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« Reply #223 on: December 02, 2024, 09:11:36 AM »
Putting in my annual seed order today and so happy to have this thread to read through and get ideas (or steer away from ideas) for next year.  I mostly still have plenty of seeds from last year, but want to expand my cut flower garden with new varieties.  I figure I can add a few more veggies to the mix too.

In general, 2024 was a banner year for almost everything.  Bunnies wiped out my peas early in the season, but I think I have a better barrier system for next year.

I like thinking of this as eating season!  We just got a new basement freezer, which has been amazing for keeping track of what I froze from the summer garden.  I was stunned to see all of my tomato sauces and veggie soups lined up neatly on shelves instead of crammed in my drawer freezer!

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Re: Planting and growing your own 2024
« Reply #224 on: December 02, 2024, 09:27:35 AM »
I started spouting mung beans, brassica mix and alfalfa seeds in mason jars using my sprouting lids.

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« Reply #225 on: December 02, 2024, 11:38:49 AM »
We had our first strawberries (3) from the garden yesterday as we improved the hoops/netting situation over them. So so good.

There are some flowers on the cucumbers and zucchini. The beans are finally climbing. The potatoes are very exuberant and I covered up a decent size tuber in the bed so I could probably start harvesting some potatoes (leaving the plants in the ground). We are in the hungry gap but the herbs keep producing and we don’t actually depend on the gardens for our produce so now it’s the anticipation of deliciousness.