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Linea_Norway

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Homemade bokashi tryout project
« on: January 10, 2022, 07:25:20 AM »
We are living in a rental and will probably buy a house this year and move. Therefore we don't use our insulated composting bin outside. Instead, I am now trying to make some compost/soil of my kitchen scraps. I bought 2 see through buckets with a lid and have started filling one of them. They are standing inside on a now heated floor.

After a couple of days, nothing visible happened with the banana peels. I first added some soil from a bag that lay outside in freezing temperatures. Still nothing happened. I wondered aloud whether I needed to buy and add some bokashi stuff. The reason I never purchased a bokashi bin is that the refill material is so expensive.

DH goodled what bokashi material contains and it turned out that we have most of the ingredients already. There are some lactobacillus bacteria, which I have in my sourdough starter and in my fermented cabbage. And some others are in yeast, the type used in beer or bread. That is also in my sourdough starter. Added a portion of the starter to the bucket. And some of the fermented red cabbage that has been staring at me from the fridge for a long time. I also added some additional dried bread yeast. The remaining ingredients are commonly found in water and soil. I already added soil from a bag. Just hope the soul bacteria haven't died from the cold yet. I added some snow to the bucket, to get water without chlorin. Now I will give it some more time and will see what happens.

I have added mostly vegetable scraps and used tea leaves. And 2 banana peels. Will continue to add stuff over time. My goal is to create some good compost for the plants I am going to grow this summer. When the first bin is full, it can just stand there and continue composting.
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Re: Homemade bokashi tryout project
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2022, 08:25:11 AM »
PTF.  I haven't dug into Korean Natural Farming methods yet but am intrigued.  I think it might be too labor intensive for me, though....

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Re: Homemade bokashi tryout project
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2022, 11:03:22 AM »
PTF.  I haven't dug into Korean Natural Farming methods yet but am intrigued.  I think it might be too labor intensive for me, though....

For me it is not labor intensive, as we need to put all kitchen scraps in a separate bin already (mandatory garbage sorting). So instead of letting it be collected by the garbage removal, I now put in the other bucket (with lid) in the kitchen.

I have added the bacteria ingredients only once. Now I just add used tea leaves and other kitchen scraps whenever I want to dispose of them. It looks like the banana peels have finally started rotting.

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Re: Homemade bokashi tryout project
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2022, 07:47:42 PM »
When DW did bokashi (for years), tea was on the no-no list. Supposedly killed/suppressed microbial activity. Also likely to introduce a lot of water into the process, and that's no good. If it works for you great. If things aren't working... cut the tea and see if it helps.

Keeping air (... O2) out is a big deal. If you don't things get no-good-funky-monkey.

You can make the bokashi material yourself easy enough. Get some EM starter and grain and you can mix it up (and then dry it) yourself. DW used to do that and other than smelling like a pickle/beer factory for a few days while she was doing the drying process, it wasn't a ton of work.

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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2022, 08:10:01 PM »
My current food waste composting system is mainly to throw our organic non-meat/dairy stuff into an in-ground digester and let the worms do their thing with it.  It is a lot of peels, coffee grounds and egg shells + moth eaten leaves I pluck off the brassicas in the yard a couple of times a week.  Messier and non-organic stuff goes in the municipal yardwaste.  I watched a few videos on KNF last summer and it seemed more complicated to me, but maybe I should revisit it. 

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Re: Homemade bokashi tryout project
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2022, 12:35:04 AM »
When DW did bokashi (for years), tea was on the no-no list. Supposedly killed/suppressed microbial activity. Also likely to introduce a lot of water into the process, and that's no good. If it works for you great. If things aren't working... cut the tea and see if it helps.

Keeping air (... O2) out is a big deal. If you don't things get no-good-funky-monkey.

You can make the bokashi material yourself easy enough. Get some EM starter and grain and you can mix it up (and then dry it) yourself. DW used to do that and other than smelling like a pickle/beer factory for a few days while she was doing the drying process, it wasn't a ton of work.

I just checked on a list of ingredients you can throw in bokashi, as tea was there. But I'll keep it in mind.

For the bacteria ingredients, I don't see why I need to dry it. I just add it to the bucket as it is. I think I have found many of the same bacteria in my sourdough starter and fermented cabbage.

If it needs to be dryer, that is an issue. I added some snow to add moist to it. Maybe add some scraps of unbleached paper.

I have a lid on, so there won't come in much oxygen, apart from when I add to it. I intend to let it stand with closed lid for a a time when I fill the other bucket.

For cutting leftovers into small pieces, when we talked about starting it, I thought I could use my new blender. So far I haven't done so yet, as it is more hassle. Maybe I should fish out the banana peels and cut up broccoli stilk pieces and blend them smaller. That will make it more hassle, though.
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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2022, 01:50:01 PM »
@Linea_Norway , any updates on your bokashi experiment?

I am thinking about trying to use this bokashi method at home to help me jump start my composting and wondered if your approach was successful.

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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2022, 02:09:03 AM »
@Linea_Norway , any updates on your bokashi experiment?

I am thinking about trying to use this bokashi method at home to help me jump start my composting and wondered if your approach was successful.

@CrustyBadger It turned out well in my opinion. It is almost black material, although there is something small that it still light colour. It smells strongly of lactic acid bacteria. The big chunks (bread crusts, broccoli stems, etc.) seem to have diminished. I did not add aminal bones, as I didn't expect those to break down so soon in a small batch.

My bucket has stood filled in a warmish room (near the sentral heater/boiler) for several months. According to this thread I started around the middle of January, and I used the material last week. My DH thinks it stinks badly, and therefore he doesn't want me to use it in a pot of soil inside the house. I put a good layer underneath the soil in a future tomato pot that is standing outside. And I will add later to the zuccini pots when I move those outside.

When filling it, I regularly added small batches of soil to it, like each time I had to throw away soil from a herb plant from the grocery store. I also emptied my sourdough starter into it several times. This way I hoped to add the correct bacteria to the bucket.

I read in a book that a gardener blogger does this all the time. She uses 5-7 gallon mayonaise buckets. Fills them in the kitchen, but adds official bokashi powder to it. When the bucket is full, she puts it outside in the garden and fills another one. She has 5 buckets. Her method is effective, but required the purchase of bokashi powder, which is not cheap. Also her stuff does not become soil, but something nutricious that you can add to the soil. She uses it directly in her vegetable beds, covered by something.

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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2022, 01:13:47 PM »
Cool!

The directions I have read say to fill up the container in your house (if you wish for convenience), sprinkling the bokashi bran flakes every time you add a layer, and then when the bucket is filled, burying it under ground for a couple of weeks to actually compost it.   The bokashi method just ferments the food waste and will make it quicker to compost later.

I have had very little success with composting for a few reasons, and I really want to reduce the waste I through out in the garbage every week, so I thought I might try this method.

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« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2022, 02:09:07 AM »
Cool!

The directions I have read say to fill up the container in your house (if you wish for convenience), sprinkling the bokashi bran flakes every time you add a layer, and then when the bucket is filled, burying it under ground for a couple of weeks to actually compost it.   The bokashi method just ferments the food waste and will make it quicker to compost later.

I have had very little success with composting for a few reasons, and I really want to reduce the waste I through out in the garbage every week, so I thought I might try this method.

This burrying in de ground is the officially recommended method. I suppose it works very well.