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« on: February 19, 2022, 05:11:27 AM »
OK, so I'm pretty comfortable with financial statements etc. having been a corporate exec for various companies for a long time.   

My wife has found out that the local tea room is for sale.   It has always been a dream of hers to own something like this, but neither of us have any background in hospitality or food service businesses, so to my analytical mind this is a black hole we do not know how to even begin researching.  They are selling the business and the property (house on the main street in a town of about 60K people).  I've read some of the posts about valuation of a car wash and also some here about how each business is different so not a lot of great info out there.   The closest we got before to trying our hand at one or both of us being self employed was when Amazon was starting up the delivery services with vans, but that never got to the point where we got any real financials to even consider so business valuation is my biggest concern and where I need some pointers on how or where to best look to learn how to do this.  In that case at least I felt I'd have a fighting chance of figuring out if it made sense because I understood the logistics business to some degree, but with this as I said opening, our experience with these type of things is being a customer.  I'd rather start here with a community of folks whose background I'm familiar with than just googling random sites.

Another line of questioning is how likely this will be to derail our chances of FIRE.    We're approaching our 50s and have been on track to hit our number in the next 2-5 years.    This was something that was giving me light at the end of the tunnel as I continue to slog away at a job that I enjoy but certainly do not love, and my knee jerk reaction when she told me was "this will doom us into work forever".  However I am trying to be supportive and give it an objective look, as she pointed out she was willing to take a look at my idea of the Amazon business so why get all worked up when we have not even seen the books etc.   

Another thing that goes through my mind is part of our plan when we got to FIRE and pulled the trigger (we are also having to hold until last of the kids gets launched on their own, and youngest is 17 with another year of high school left next year so likely means we are at 5-7 years) was that we would move from Ohio to TN, targeting somewhere near the Smokies.   To me then having to try to sell off a business with property seems like a massive item to add to that mix, and again why my head went to doom and gloom pretty fast.

I know a big part of my lack of enthusiasm is that I have zero personal interest in one day running a tea room, this is my wife's dream.   

Trying to be supportive of the exploration but really feeling lost about how to do it well.  Hoping for some of the brilliant folks here giving me something to start with.

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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2022, 08:16:23 AM »
My father worked in the hospitality business for years.  In fact, my college education was mostly paid for by a consultancy he ran that pretty much entirely served people who bought an existing restaurant and found themselves in deep, deep shit. 

I'd suggest, if this is something she wants to do, that she get a job in the hospitality business for a few weeks and see it from the other side.  Doesn't matter how menial of a job, as the owner- you probably will have to do that job yourself at some point.   

I can't speak for the tea room segment itself, but there's a million small nuances in the hospitality industry that can make it unique.  You need to understand what those are in your area before you can make an informed decision.   

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« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2022, 01:41:10 PM »
For would love for input of someone who has experience with restaurant business.  Here's what we received for a financial statement.   Would food typically be only 10% of the cost?   Seems like they not withholding payroll taxes on the wages etc.   So I'm worried the net income is inflated.  They also said 2021 was their best year ever but will provide other years if we ask, which we plan to but I wanted to get the other questions of where we'd like to see more detail behind to summary category to understand.

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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2022, 09:05:13 AM »
Some thoughts and links...

First, a link to a blog point I did about buying a small business: https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/buying-a-small-business-tips/

Second, a general discussion about business plans but from a small business point of view: https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/%ef%bb%bf%ef%bb%bf%ef%bb%bffive-questions-your-business-plan-must-answer/

Third some riffing on small business entrepreneurship as a route to financial independence: https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/small-business-entrepreneur-route-financial-independence/

BTW, I also think the following thoughts:

1. Now might be a great time to snag a bargain on a business beat up by the pandemic. Sorry. But it's true.

2. Possibly your spouse knows too little about the nuts and bolts of running a business like she wants. I swear, it took me at least a decade to figure out how to run a CPA firm the "right way"... and just to say it, I'd been pretty successful in other entrepreneurial activities before starting the CPA firm. But different industries require different knowledge. And it's not the general knowledge that'll matter probably. It'll be the stuff specific to running a tea room. (For this reason, the first step to owning a tea room might be to go work in some other tea room.)

3.  You can get useful info from a CPA with regard to structuring the purchase... but not anytime soon. There are massive shortages and backlogs for the accountants due to the IRS meltdown.




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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2022, 12:00:21 PM »
This doesn't sound like it's a good move for money. Going back to investing basics: what would Warren Buffett do?

If hospitality is a black hole, that's not in your circle of competence. And if you don't know in extreme details about what you're doing, you are *very likely* to lose most, if not all of your money.

This is like putting money in a stock you've no clue about. I'd stay away from this.

I appreciate supporting your wife's dream and all but it's not worth the gamble. I mostly agree with the previous post, which is have your wife work on the other side of hospitality for a while first to see if she even likes it. A lot of times people *think* they have a dream and when they start doing it, it becomes quite stale, quite quickly (literally every single 'dream job / dream business' I've taken or done). And you don't wanna be stuck with a huge bill when your wife hates the tea room after 4.5 weeks.

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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2022, 12:14:15 PM »
Thanks for the input.   Please if others have more I'll keep checking.    I've suggested the "work in food service" and she reminded me she's done all kinds of menial jobs so yeah, she gets she will have to wash dishes etc. and had no problem with it.   

We did some up with several questions we sent to the realtor fronting the deal.
1. For $60K in wages, seems payroll taxes withheld are FAR too low so explain.
2. They listed Bank charges as a negative expense, which when listed properly, double their value (meaning it is not A $13.5k reversal but a $27k reversal).  I double checked the math myself and they actually have $106K in expenses which means that net income goes from $38K to $11K, again we asked for a response.
3. What are the $6,800 in supplies?   
4. What is the $12.5K in lease costs?   They said they own the property.   Best we can guess in that since one sister owns the property and the other owns the business, they agreed the business would pay rent back to help cover the mortgage.
5. In a cover note they said they pay each other $3,840 (for both of them) in salary and that that is in the payroll expense.  If it is then that would eat up nearly all the payroll as that is $42,240 for 11 months just for that.  Something seems off.
6. What is the $17K in other salary?

Those are what we have so far.   Any others folks see, would love your input.

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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2022, 12:17:20 PM »
I did also find some industry average metrics.

Food is typically 20-45%.  This is 10%, so sems low but is a tea room so not a lot of expensive ingredients for tea and sandwiches.
Labor is 30%, this is nearly 50%, so quite high.   Maybe low food is helping offset a bit but again was just some concerns I noted.  Perhaps they have too much labor, but all at part time working 13-24 hours a week except for the two owners who are 20-30 a week.   

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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2022, 04:21:36 PM »
I've suggested the "work in food service" and she reminded me she's done all kinds of menial jobs so yeah, she gets she will have to wash dishes etc. and had no problem with it.

That's really not what I meant.

I meant all the stuff you'd know about running a tea room if you'd run one or worked in one with an eye to running one.

An example from CPA firms... Knowing how to do someone's tax return is pretty easy. To do a moderately complex return at a professional level, 2-3 years experience plus appropriate training is enough in many though not all situations.

But to know which kinds of tax returns to prepare as a business... and knowing how to spot clients that won't be profitable? That's the sort of stuff you need to know how to do in order to not lose money or create a sweat shop situation.
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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2022, 05:53:25 PM »
I did also find some industry average metrics.

Food is typically 20-45%.  This is 10%, so sems low but is a tea room so not a lot of expensive ingredients for tea and sandwiches.
Labor is 30%, this is nearly 50%, so quite high.   Maybe low food is helping offset a bit but again was just some concerns I noted.  Perhaps they have too much labor, but all at part time working 13-24 hours a week except for the two owners who are 20-30 a week.

I was going to point out that food is way below averages.  I've never run a restaurant, and while I've invested in plenty of small business and startups, restaurants have always been hard pass for me, cause the failure rates are too high, the chances of great returns are too low.  I do have two friends and a couple of acquaintances that have run resteraunt, the friends were modestly successful, but very happy to sell/move on. One acquaintance had a great run for three years and then crashed and burned, the other is still doing well. The acquaintances were both trained at top culinary schools, so I have to believe that makes a big difference.

I'm going to make weird, and quite possibly silly suggestions.

I've generally been impressed by the CNBC TV show "The Profit", a rich guy invests in struggling businesses and tries to turn them around. A lot of the shows feature restaurants. Marcus is quite good at digging into the finances and issues with business,es especially restaurants.  I know there are several shows in a similar vein, but I've never watched more than a few minutes.   I think it would be worthwhile for you and your wife to watch a handful episodes together.  Just to find how much you two, know and don't know about running one.

I'm not married, probably for good reason, but my married friends always tell me "happy wife, happy life", so it would probably better if she gets cold feet,than you tell her what bad idea this is.

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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2022, 08:42:14 PM »
I'm not married, probably for good reason, but my married friends always tell me "happy wife, happy life", so it would probably better if she gets cold feet,than you tell her what bad idea this is.
That may not be entirely possible, as the emotional factor here is in play.   I was direct in reply to "my sisters and I used to talk about owning a tea room" by stating that it being a fun fantasy is a big difference from taking a lot of our money and tying it up in something that might not quite be as fantastic as she imagined.   She keeps pointing out that when she talked with the sisters who own it now, that neither of them had any restaurant experience and are still here 8 years later and saying that it pays for itself.   She is not looking to do it to make a lot of money, just a way she can enjoy working on something and perhaps getting $30K a year from it is her target.   My concerns are selling a property etc. without losing our shirt given that I believe commercial real estate is at a high point.   The building is a 3,000 sq foot home built in 1948.   It's not as expensive as I had expected ($350K) given it is on the main state route through town, figured the land would be worth way more than that, and that price includes the home on .5 acres and the business.   I'm just not sure that I see a way to even make the $30K a year off it after paying the mortgage/small business loan or however we'd finance it.   Looking at the real estate records they bought the property for $175K in 2014 so doubling in value (not quite as they are packaging the business in with the property, so whatever we'd value that at) is where I get the feeling it has inflated like residential real estate has.

Biggest issue here is this that was included with the financial packet:  "Rest assured that we sisters have never worked food service before opening the tea room.  We  built our business based on the business and life skills we had gained over our adult lives.   This was built by us according to our vision and needs.   We are proud to say it works and use simple common sense practices."  This is what my wife keeps coming back to.  She feels she's college educated and hard working and these ladies are telling her it is simple.    The more I dig in the less I see it being little more than a break even business which she is fine with, and I am too as long as I know it can be sold when we are ready to move out of state in ten years or less and that is what I am not comfortable with.
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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2022, 03:24:42 PM »
Maybe I missed it, but do the owners have an asking price? Or are they saying "make us an offer" (I can certainly see the benefit of coming up with what you think the business is worth before knowing/sharing the price - but I'm curious).

Do you know how many hours/week they are currently open?

What is the breakdown on sales (how much tea to they sell? do they sell coffee? fancy coffee (espresso, cappuccino, etc? what kinds of food?) It's always possible that there could be some easy ways to optimize the business and significantly increase profits.

I'm with you - I have no desire to be tied to a customer-facing business like this. Does your wife have a plan for when she wants to go see your son's activities (sports, theatre, etc?). Or when you want to visit family in another town or take a vacation? I can see huge benefits to the current owners being able to trade off for these things, but it is a different story with a single owner.

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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2022, 03:53:15 PM »
If you really were a corporate exec, you aren't up for running your own buisness. At the end of the day, the buck stops with the owner. And that means you gotta show up and actually do the whatever needs doing. There is no other department to blame, no bigger budget to fall back on when your department misses a target. Coach the staff all you want, there is no performance review write up, just you and your wife doing whatever work they didn't do.

Do you really have any special expertise that will help you run a tea room better?


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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2022, 09:01:58 PM »
As someone who owns a customer-facing business that relies on hourly employees, I would run far away from this "opportunity". Especially in light of a pandemic that is not certain to be gone any time soon. The hassles of dealing with customers is one thing (and it's a big thing), but then dealing with employees calling out last minute, getting sick, or being exposed to Covid and having to quarantine, arguing amongst each other, stealing, etc. is another whole thing.
I could go on, but I'm already exhausted from this week's dramas - it's always something.
I agree with the previous post that suggested she go work in a similar environment and pay attention to all the dramas, big and small, that pop up, and then count on dramas that you never even thought were possible to happen.
Good luck!

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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2022, 06:20:56 PM »
Why is there no ballpark price?  Or is this "buy the real estate, get the business" ?   People don't sell their easy business that gives them good money for little headache.

Also I always chuckle when someone stumbles into their dream business for "sale". This post happens frequently.

We're you looking to buy a business? We're you specifically looking to buy a tea house business and real estate?   If not then this is basically an impulse buy.....  No different than wandering into the dealership and driving away with a brand new shiny truck that was on sale at a bargain price.   It doesn't matter if you weren't shopping for a truck. But but but but ..but nothing, if you want a tea house, is this even the best priced tea house for sale?...did you look?

Why does she want to buy a business? Most people dream of acceleration of their retirement cause they are tired of working.   This will be the opposite, you will work 2x-3x more.   How many hours are the owners putting in?... truthfully..you don't know cause it isn't tracked. 

As someone else said, have you tried hiring lately for service positions?  It's terrible atm.  I've had an ad up since December and the people applying are the bottom of what society has to offer.
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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2022, 08:19:23 PM »
For would love for input of someone who has experience with restaurant business.  Here's what we received for a financial statement.   Would food typically be only 10% of the cost?   Seems like they not withholding payroll taxes on the wages etc.   So I'm worried the net income is inflated.  They also said 2021 was their best year ever but will provide other years if we ask, which we plan to but I wanted to get the other questions of where we'd like to see more detail behind to summary category to understand.

It'd be a good idea to ask for the tax return. That'll possibly tell a more honest story. Also, you might want to confirm the revenue numbers by looking at the sales tax returns. And then if you want to be really hardcore, compare bank account deposits for the business to the revenues reported.

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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2022, 05:13:52 AM »
I read through but don't think there was any mention of your wife visiting the tea house as a customer.  If this is her dream business, and the place has been open 8 years, I would guess she'd be a somewhat regular customer and observe some general habits--- most popular things to order, # customers typically sitting in the establishment, employees working there, etc.  There hasn't been any mention of that in OP's posts.  Can you elaborate on any of this?

Also, the only time I've heard of a tea house is when I've been to Colonial Williamsburg, a historical reenactment preservation.  This is somehow different than a typical coffee shop?  I have no idea what to make of a modern tea house.  I'm curious how this shop is getting 130k of sales in a town of 60k people, if its not a typical coffee shop.

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« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2022, 05:28:44 AM »
Owning a tea room is right up there with owning a bed and breakfast Inn in the “ twee” department.

I don’t know anything about tea rooms, but several of our friends owned bed and breakfast inns  as we are in a tourist area with grand architecture. Several of our other friends who always wanted to own a bed-and-breakfast worked in those B and B’s and even running them when the owners went on vacation. That cured them of wanting to own any Air BnB.
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« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2022, 06:11:54 AM »
Owning a tea room is right up there with owning a bed and breakfast in in the “ twee” department.

Haha, nailed it. 

It's almost like it's some kind of Big Twee collective or MLM scheme.  We're in a town of <10k and support a tea room along with countless bed and breakfasts and don't forget the antique shops. After so many years of being a customer, you're required to take ownership of one them and perpetuate the cycle. 

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« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2022, 02:45:42 PM »
Just read through all the replies.   Thank you for the great information.

I'll respond to some just to answer what was asked and cover things for if others look, but to cut to the chase, we have been waiting for the realtor to respond to the questions about the financial statement I had, as yes the profit dropped from $40K in 2021 to $10K.  His starting response was "I run into this, where small business uses Quickbooks to help them keep organized for accountants, who then straighten out the mistakes for tax purposes, but no one ever changes the systems."   So they reclassed things but the expenses were what I saw.  They also added in the last month of 2021 so income went up to $146,221.37, and Net income is $10,017.22, so wife has decided deal is over. 

So yes the purchase price is $350K and I thought I said that above somewhere but maybe not, but the owners were not able to say how much of that was for the house and how much they felt was the business, they were just selling the house which came with the business in their heads.  They did not see the reason to break them out.

Yes, my wife is a customer there multiple times.   She also has a goal/dream to own a tea room, so yes it was specific, though not with the property.  This was where I had to tread lightly because I explained that just because her sisters and her felt this would be marvelous does not mean it is viable.   She seemed willing to understand this might flop in the analysis and so I was willing to consider it.  After all, there is no harm in looking and seeing if perhaps something worthwhile was there.   

I certainly would have pursued the idea of the tax returns or something done by an accountant as all we had was this statement done by the owners who had no experience in the industry,   

The spooky thing is with the fixed numbers, payroll against that $146K is $83K so well over 50%.   Typical averages I could find from restaurant associations etc said 20-45% is standard so they are way off kilter here and this is where I feel their thinking of "we've made it work" falls on not knowing better.   It appears this lays out as what I thought, basically a break even business that would live on the razor thin margin of staying in the black which could be tipped into a loss year by a single poor month.  Those were the conversations I would eventually have with my wife if this went further to at least make sure this was all stated before anyone signed on any dotted lines.   Thankfully it seems the opportunity is passed. 

To those who said how much time the owners spent working, they did provide us with a list of everyone's typically hours for the week, including themselves, and they spent 24 hours and 30 hours for each sister.   The other employees worked about 13 hours a week.   They are open about until 3:30 every day, opening at 11:30 during the week and 8:30 on weekends and closed Monday and Tuesday, so just open 5 days a week.  Tying up the payroll, the issue is they told us they paid everyone $15 per hour regardless of their job title because they all kind of did everything (the two sisters and 5 employees).   They said the two sisters made $46,074 last year (together not each) gross and the others 5 made $30,111 between them.   However the hours they provided added up to 156 per week so I had already determined that was about $138,528 annually so there would have been more questions to them on that anyway as clearly the info provided did not stand up to scrutiny. 

Think I hit most of what was asked since I last replied.

Also I have no idea what "twee" means, so that went over my head.

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« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2022, 03:09:25 PM »
Just read through all the replies.   Thank you for the great information.

I'll respond to some just to answer what was asked and cover things for if others look, but to cut to the chase, we have been waiting for the realtor to respond to the questions about the financial statement I had, as yes the profit dropped from $40K in 2021 to $10K.  His starting response was "I run into this, where small business uses Quickbooks to help them keep organized for accountants, who then straighten out the mistakes for tax purposes, but no one ever changes the systems."   So they reclassed things but the expenses were what I saw.  They also added in the last month of 2021 so income went up to $146,221.37, and Net income is $10,017.22, so wife has decided deal is over. 

So yes the purchase price is $350K and I thought I said that above somewhere but maybe not, but the owners were not able to say how much of that was for the house and how much they felt was the business, they were just selling the house which came with the business in their heads.  They did not see the reason to break them out.

Yes, my wife is a customer there multiple times.   She also has a goal/dream to own a tea room, so yes it was specific, though not with the property.  This was where I had to tread lightly because I explained that just because her sisters and her felt this would be marvelous does not mean it is viable.   She seemed willing to understand this might flop in the analysis and so I was willing to consider it.  After all, there is no harm in looking and seeing if perhaps something worthwhile was there.   

I certainly would have pursued the idea of the tax returns or something done by an accountant as all we had was this statement done by the owners who had no experience in the industry,   

The spooky thing is with the fixed numbers, payroll against that $146K is $83K so well over 50%.   Typical averages I could find from restaurant associations etc said 20-45% is standard so they are way off kilter here and this is where I feel their thinking of "we've made it work" falls on not knowing better.   It appears this lays out as what I thought, basically a break even business that would live on the razor thin margin of staying in the black which could be tipped into a loss year by a single poor month.  Those were the conversations I would eventually have with my wife if this went further to at least make sure this was all stated before anyone signed on any dotted lines.   Thankfully it seems the opportunity is passed. 

To those who said how much time the owners spent working, they did provide us with a list of everyone's typically hours for the week, including themselves, and they spent 24 hours and 30 hours for each sister.   The other employees worked about 13 hours a week.   They are open about until 3:30 every day, opening at 11:30 during the week and 8:30 on weekends and closed Monday and Tuesday, so just open 5 days a week.  Tying up the payroll, the issue is they told us they paid everyone $15 per hour regardless of their job title because they all kind of did everything (the two sisters and 5 employees).   They said the two sisters made $46,074 last year (together not each) gross and the others 5 made $30,111 between them.   However the hours they provided added up to 156 per week so I had already determined that was about $138,528 annually so there would have been more questions to them on that anyway as clearly the info provided did not stand up to scrutiny. 

Think I hit most of what was asked since I last replied.

Also I have no idea what "twee" means, so that went over my head.

"Twee" is essentially overly precious and sentimental. 

It sounds like this business was definitely not the one, but I do wonder about comparing the ratios to that of a restaurant.  I adore afternoon tea.  As such, I've been to a lot of tea rooms, around the world.  To me, the best tea rooms have an ample selection of teas, and the staff is actually knowledgeable about them, so if I say I tend to like teas that take milk well and that have richer, rounder flavors like caramel and toffee, they can say, "Oh, X or Y blend is best for you."  To me, a restaurant is mostly about food, and a tea room is more about the experience.  (Not that a restaurant can't also be somewhat about that, especially at the higher end.) So I can see why employee costs might make up a higher % of expenses than with a traditional restaurant.  I think tea rooms also rely more on special occasion business.  Bridal and wedding showers, birthday parties, and even little kid birthday parties.  (Though some tea rooms don't allow young children, which I actually prefer.)  And those tend to be higher maintenance as well. 

Anyway, just food for thought about comparing it to a similar--but not quite the same--segment of the economy.  In this case, the numbers look bad overall, so it doesn't matter the breakdowns, but I'm not surprised that a tea room's overall numbers might look different than a bistro or a sandwich shop.

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« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2022, 03:41:24 PM »
Sounds like your diligence really paid off. As for your spouse, I wonder if there is a way to dip her toes in the tea room idea, but have it be a different model. What comes to mind is pairing with nearby venues (classy ones with events where tea and sandwiches would be a nice option) and say, I'd love to provide "tea service" or "cream tea" to certain events (e.g. Baby showers, retirement luncheons, bridal showers, etc. ). She could bring tea and a light meal to a women's (or men's) civic organization and share a brief presentation on types of tea, British royalty, history of tea, etc. etc.


I think for a SquareSpace/Wix website, some money spent on good tea equipment, and some business cards, she could be up and running and then prepare for specific events -- maybe even teach people about tea, etc. Or a "high tea etiquette" lesson or something. This is obviously incomplete, but it strikes me as a much less expensive way to get started to see if she's really into it and it likely wouldn't completely overwhelm your household personally or financially.

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« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2022, 04:06:15 PM »
Sounds like your diligence really paid off. As for your spouse, I wonder if there is a way to dip her toes in the tea room idea, but have it be a different model. What comes to mind is pairing with nearby venues (classy ones with events where tea and sandwiches would be a nice option) and say, I'd love to provide "tea service" or "cream tea" to certain events (e.g. Baby showers, retirement luncheons, bridal showers, etc. ). She could bring tea and a light meal to a women's (or men's) civic organization and share a brief presentation on types of tea, British royalty, history of tea, etc. etc.


I think for a SquareSpace/Wix website, some money spent on good tea equipment, and some business cards, she could be up and running and then prepare for specific events -- maybe even teach people about tea, etc. Or a "high tea etiquette" lesson or something. This is obviously incomplete, but it strikes me as a much less expensive way to get started to see if she's really into it and it likely wouldn't completely overwhelm your household personally or financially.

Traveling Tea seems like a great idea!  Go to someone's home and serve afternoon tea for events like showers and birthdays.  One nice thing about tea is that the equipment is very inexpensive.  It's not like coffee.  You need hot water, decent tea and a way to steep it, and there are great steeping  or  straining options for about $5.  Pots and cups would be an expensive, but I put together a large mis-matched set of those via goodwill (which is also nice because if one breaks, you just replace with the next one you find at a thrift store, with no worries about matching).  Some tea pots (also sources thrift) and some tiered tea trays, and you are set.  You could probably get everything you need for tea for a dozen people for ~$200.  Use the party location's kitchen to assemble the sandwiches (with as much as possible pre-made) and either bake scones there are bring them.  A few jams and maybe some clotted cream, and you are set!   

You could get buy with probably 4-5 types of loose leaf tea.  Whether you offer each person a choice (with their own small pot) or just put 3-4 pots on the table (depending on # of people) and people can take what they want, or similar, would be up to her. 

I think this is a great idea.  Hardest part would be getting the word out about your offering, but you could to it via local FB groups.  And if it fails, you've probably invested >$300!

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« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2022, 08:57:50 AM »
I belonged to a “Tea Society” many years  back. I don't even LIKE tea.

But it was good to operate in my Victorian neighborhood where we held afternoon teas, luncheon teas, brunch teas, etc. One party I remember very well (because  it was outside the norm) was held in a  modern architect designed 1960’s house where the lady of the house had Japanese decor. She collected Blue willow patterned dishes, and gave a lexture about the various style of blue willow and representations of the classic figure.

Another member sewed ladies’ garments from antique linens, often table linens. Her program was extremely popular.

These are all definitions of TWEE. Haha.

I think a traveling tea service might get some customers in their home. But as for catering in outside venues, all of the rental locations I know have a defined set of food vendors. That isnt a world you can break into easily.
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« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2022, 12:40:44 AM »
Just seeing this now, so thought I'd pose these quesitons in the even the dream reignites:

Does your wife know the different temps for green versus black versus herbal?
Does she know that decaf is not the same as caffeine free?
How do you feel about busing tables? I mean, you personally.

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« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2022, 07:41:10 AM »
Just seeing this now, so thought I'd pose these quesitons in the even the dream reignites:

Does your wife know the different temps for green versus black versus herbal?
Does she know that decaf is not the same as caffeine free?
How do you feel about busing tables? I mean, you personally.
No idea on the first two, but yes good to keep around in the event it ever resurfaces.   

On the last point, not something high on my list at this point in my life.   Part of why my enthusiasm on this was not high, as did feel the eventually I'd be needing to help in some way to help it along.