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wjquigs

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Window A/C in central heat duct?
« on: March 08, 2022, 09:28:17 AM »
I live in Seattle which is the least air-conditioned city in the country, but it's changing. Last summer's heat wave made it unbearable for around a week (a few times the 2nd floor was still in the mid-90s at night, which makes sleeping impossible), although typically we have a handful of days each summer when you really appreciate some cooling. I installed a Mr Cool Universal in my attic but it's primarily for heat, since we have at least a hundred heating days.
On the first floor I bought the biggest window a/c that will run on 115 volts, 18k BTU. The problem is that it's so big it requires two people to lift in and out of the window, and I would rather not have it sitting in the window the 355 days a year we don't need cooling.
My question: has anyone tried mounting a unit like this somewhere like a basement window and then ducting it into the return ducts for the furnace? I would need to run the furnace fan separately from the a/c, but I do that already to distribute the cool air from the dining room to the rest of the floor.


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Re: Window A/C in central heat duct?
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2022, 09:48:07 AM »
I feel you!  We picked the perfect year last year to have whole home AC installed in our house.  The biggest problem I could see with your idea is that it will be difficult to collect the colder air coming out of the unit (rectangular) and getting it nicely sealed to a circular duct.  I would also be concerned about back pressure on the system and that not a whole lot of air may make it to your upstairs or shorten the life of your unit.  Personally I would just take it in an out of the window for the seasons... that's what we always did before the central AC.  We would put it in around June and take it out in late septemeber.

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Re: Window A/C in central heat duct?
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2022, 11:10:50 AM »
Honestly that sounds like a lot of work to end up with a less than ideal solution; that being said I have not tried anything like that, the closet I came was moving cool basement air into the rest of the house via the central duct work (a failure, on warmer days the basement didn't cool fast enough and too much moisture migrated down with the warmer air). Window AC are not built to move air through a duct of any length, even until the furnace fan can take over. Rigid ducting wouldn't be seasonal and would likely need sealing to have any chance of working, flexible ducting would offer a metric ton of resistance.

I looked and it seems an 18,000 btu window unit (at least one example) is ~130 pounds and smaller units, in the 5-7,000 btu range, can be in the neighborhood of 40 pounds.

Here are some things I would consider doing instead:

Get a few 5-7k units, new the inexpensive ones cost ~180, and you can find them cheaper on CL. Or the very efferent DC inverter u shaped ones made by Midea start at 345 (for an 8k, but that does come in close to 70 pounds). Then I'd place them in a few key rooms (living room and bed rooms for example). You could recoup some of the cost by selling the 18k unit.

Alternatively I'd consider a portable floor unit with two hoses. They might weigh more, but they normally have wheels are only a plate with the hoses needs to go in the window. Dual hoses is important, with one hose the air the is exhausted comes from inside your house and outside air finds its way in to replace it.

It a big step in price from the other two, but you could also consider a Mr. Cool mini-split or add on coil (if you are happy with that brand).
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Re: Window A/C in central heat duct?
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2022, 12:37:56 PM »
Sounds like it's not a great idea to run it through the ducts. Unfortunately there are only three dual-hung windows on the lower floor, and they are all right next to each other. All other windows are casement. It also doesn't make sense for me to install another Mr Cool. Natural gas is 12 cents per 10k BTU here (or at least it was before Ukraine) and electricity is 11.2 cents per 10k BTU. So unless I'm saving a lot of money during our long heating season, it's not worth it for just cooling.
Thanks for the input.
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Re: Window A/C in central heat duct?
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2022, 03:35:51 PM »
Sounds like it's not a great idea to run it through the ducts. Unfortunately there are only three dual-hung windows on the lower floor, and they are all right next to each other. All other windows are casement. It also doesn't make sense for me to install another Mr Cool. Natural gas is 12 cents per 10k BTU here (or at least it was before Ukraine) and electricity is 11.2 cents per 10k BTU. So unless I'm saving a lot of money during our long heating season, it's not worth it for just cooling.
Thanks for the input.
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If you have casement windows, you might look into universal window seal kits. I had to google what they were called since I have only seen one once years ago. It was used with a floor unit and I have no idea how well it worked.

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Re: Window A/C in central heat duct?
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2022, 09:59:00 AM »
Window AC units are not made to be hooked up to duct.  I suspect that could lead to some problems.   Further, you typically need to have access to the face of the unit to get to controls, clean the filter, etc.
In my shop building I cut, flashed and trimmed out a hole in the wall and have a window AC permanently mounted.

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Re: Window A/C in central heat duct?
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2022, 10:30:34 AM »
Window AC units are not made to be hooked up to duct.  I suspect that could lead to some problems.   Further, you typically need to have access to the face of the unit to get to controls, clean the filter, etc.
In my shop building I cut, flashed and trimmed out a hole in the wall and have a window AC permanently mounted.
We've been shopping for condos lately. This is a very popular arrangement here and far more versatile than blocking windows so they no longer function. The newer models are much more attractive than previous iterations.

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Re: Window A/C in central heat duct?
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2022, 08:32:30 PM »
Sounds like it's not a great idea to run it through the ducts. Unfortunately there are only three dual-hung windows on the lower floor, and they are all right next to each other. All other windows are casement. It also doesn't make sense for me to install another Mr Cool. Natural gas is 12 cents per 10k BTU here (or at least it was before Ukraine) and electricity is 11.2 cents per 10k BTU. So unless I'm saving a lot of money during our long heating season, it's not worth it for just cooling.
Thanks for the input.
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Those aren't typical units for energy pricing, so it looks like you converted them for the comparison.  Keep in mind though, that the best natural gas furnaces are 97% efficient, while standard natural gas furnaces are 80% efficient, so you're losing 3% or 20% of the energy in your natural gas.  Meanwhile, a heat pump's efficiency is well over 100%.

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Re: Window A/C in central heat duct?
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2022, 05:44:20 AM »
+1 to the mention of the portable a/c units that hook to a duct out the window.  Next time I need to buy one I am considering that.  Seems like you can pull out the window duct and roll the unit into a closet when not in use relatively quickly.  It would be an extra cost to run out and buy one, but, seems worth it.  I am too cheap to put in central air, but, yeah man window units are so darn ugly.