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Flooding kitchen sink during Laundry wash cycle
« on: January 26, 2021, 12:34:33 PM »
I just moved into an older house, and every time I run the washing machine the kitchen sink floods... It all works fine and doesn't overflow, but obviously a bit inconvenient.

Does anyone have experience with troubleshooting this type of issue? Plumbing is a my home improvement blind spot. It is a bigger modern washing machine, that could be playing a role as well.

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Re: Flooding kitchen sink during Laundry wash cycle
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2021, 01:26:53 PM »
I'm confused on a number of issues reading your post. The sink "floods" but yet works fine and doesn't overflow. What do you mean by flooding then? Is the washing machine draining into the sink? Is it draining into the same pipe? Same plumbing stack? Are both being used at the same time when it "floods" or only when one is being used and if so, which one? Perhaps a picture?

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Re: Flooding kitchen sink during Laundry wash cycle
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2021, 01:56:55 PM »
I'm confused on a number of issues reading your post. The sink "floods" but yet works fine and doesn't overflow. What do you mean by flooding then? Is the washing machine draining into the sink? Is it draining into the same pipe? Same plumbing stack? Are both being used at the same time when it "floods" or only when one is being used and if so, which one? Perhaps a picture?

Fair questions, and important ones. Personally, I suspect OP has a slow drain and the gray water from the washing machine is probably backing up into the sink where it's draining fast enough to the sewer line to keep things from overflowing to the point of spilling out, but not fast enough to actually handle the output of the washing machine without backing up. I'm going to assume that scenario with the following. If that isn't the issue, then the following might not be very useful.



If what was posted above on the details are accurate, it sounds like the common drain line between the kitchen sink and the washing machine drain has some amount of flow restriction either from grease, sludge, hair, roots, lint, mystery garbage, or some combination of the lot. Best thing to do is run a small powered auger down through the sewer line to clear it all out, and then run scalding hot water down the drain right after for about five minutes to help flush the remainder away.

Go to your local Home Depot and rent one of these:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/rental/Electric-Eel-Mfg-Co-Inc-and-General-Wire-Spring-Drill-Unit-Drain-Cleaner-25-x-5-16-SK-R-5-16EIC25/310643055

Warning, the job will be messy. Wear cheap leather gloves (HD usually gives you a free pair with these sorts of rentals), grubby clothes, and keep anything you want even remotely sanitary plenty of feet away while doing this.

Here's a video on how to use one, though I'd suggest asking the rental clerk how to as well.

As for where to run the auger down? First question is, which drain is farther from the main sewer cleanout for the entire house? The kitchen sink, or the laundry room? If the laundry room is farther, just slowly feed the auger down the washing machine drain. If the kitchen is farther, don't run this particular auger down the sink drain, it'll be just a bit too big. Hopefully, you'll have a cleanout under the sink to run the thing down through... otherwise, you'll need to take the curved trap off from the sink (use a bucket underneath, it's got water it it) and go in through there with the auger. Run it through a couple three times just to make sure you got it all.

If roots come back with the auger tip, ask about root killing chemicals down at the Home Despot to help keep them from growing back. It'll probably be a treatment you'll have to do a couple times a year if it's a problem. It'll also be a good idea to dump a couple gallons of boiling water chased with scalding hot tap water for about 5-10 minutes every few months from the kitchen end, too, to help clear out any greasy buildup as a maintenance preventative as well. Also, garbage disposals tend to cause most blockages off the kitchen drain lines. Just something to keep in mind.

It can seem a bit intimidating at first, but the sewer end of plumbing is pretty straight forward. If it doesn't work, it's clogged somewhere. Clean out the clog, problem is fixed. Mechanical methods are the most reliable ones for clearing a blockage, and plumbers in a bottle tend to cause more problems than solve.

More detailed instructions can be found with a little googling, and there's plenty of Youtube videos out there, and I'm sure others will help with some points that I might have missed.

Good luck!

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Re: Flooding kitchen sink during Laundry wash cycle
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2021, 08:33:45 PM »
I'm confused on a number of issues reading your post. The sink "floods" but yet works fine and doesn't overflow. What do you mean by flooding then? Is the washing machine draining into the sink? Is it draining into the same pipe? Same plumbing stack? Are both being used at the same time when it "floods" or only when one is being used and if so, which one? Perhaps a picture?

Fair questions, and important ones. Personally, I suspect OP has a slow drain and the gray water from the washing machine is probably backing up into the sink where it's draining fast enough to the sewer line to keep things from overflowing to the point of spilling out, but not fast enough to actually handle the output of the washing machine without backing up. I'm going to assume that scenario with the following. If that isn't the issue, then the following might not be very useful.



If what was posted above on the details are accurate, it sounds like the common drain line between the kitchen sink and the washing machine drain has some amount of flow restriction either from grease, sludge, hair, roots, lint, mystery garbage, or some combination of the lot. Best thing to do is run a small powered auger down through the sewer line to clear it all out, and then run scalding hot water down the drain right after for about five minutes to help flush the remainder away.

Go to your local Home Depot and rent one of these:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/rental/Electric-Eel-Mfg-Co-Inc-and-General-Wire-Spring-Drill-Unit-Drain-Cleaner-25-x-5-16-SK-R-5-16EIC25/310643055

Warning, the job will be messy. Wear cheap leather gloves (HD usually gives you a free pair with these sorts of rentals), grubby clothes, and keep anything you want even remotely sanitary plenty of feet away while doing this.

Here's a video on how to use one, though I'd suggest asking the rental clerk how to as well.

As for where to run the auger down? First question is, which drain is farther from the main sewer cleanout for the entire house? The kitchen sink, or the laundry room? If the laundry room is farther, just slowly feed the auger down the washing machine drain. If the kitchen is farther, don't run this particular auger down the sink drain, it'll be just a bit too big. Hopefully, you'll have a cleanout under the sink to run the thing down through... otherwise, you'll need to take the curved trap off from the sink (use a bucket underneath, it's got water it it) and go in through there with the auger. Run it through a couple three times just to make sure you got it all.

If roots come back with the auger tip, ask about root killing chemicals down at the Home Despot to help keep them from growing back. It'll probably be a treatment you'll have to do a couple times a year if it's a problem. It'll also be a good idea to dump a couple gallons of boiling water chased with scalding hot tap water for about 5-10 minutes every few months from the kitchen end, too, to help clear out any greasy buildup as a maintenance preventative as well. Also, garbage disposals tend to cause most blockages off the kitchen drain lines. Just something to keep in mind.

It can seem a bit intimidating at first, but the sewer end of plumbing is pretty straight forward. If it doesn't work, it's clogged somewhere. Clean out the clog, problem is fixed. Mechanical methods are the most reliable ones for clearing a blockage, and plumbers in a bottle tend to cause more problems than solve.

More detailed instructions can be found with a little googling, and there's plenty of Youtube videos out there, and I'm sure others will help with some points that I might have missed.

Good luck!

Yes, what you described is exactly the situation. Thank you very much for the detailed advice! I will be giving this a shot over the weekend.

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Re: Flooding kitchen sink during Laundry wash cycle
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2021, 12:09:42 AM »
I'll just add, since you mentioned this is an older house, what kind of drain pipes do you have? Galvanized steel and even cast iron rust from the inside, creating scale which can restrict the flow quite a bit in a 2" pipe. In that case, any of these pipes that are easily accessible are good candidates to replace with ABS or PVC.

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Re: Flooding kitchen sink during Laundry wash cycle
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2021, 07:49:30 AM »
To piggyback on jpdx's comment, if the above comments don't help, you may consider hydrojetting your sewer line.  It's basically a process of pressure washing the insides of your pipes, and is *very* effective at removing pretty much everything that could cause problems.

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Re: Flooding kitchen sink during Laundry wash cycle
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2021, 08:02:20 AM »
Yes, what you described is exactly the situation. Thank you very much for the detailed advice! I will be giving this a shot over the weekend.

Glad I was able to decipher correctly! I've had to deal with similar in our own house over the years, and this is absolutely the best place to save money on a plumber if you can get past the squik factor of sewer sludge.

Hopefully the 5/16", 25' electric handheld model will actually be enough to actually blow things out for you. It should, but as @jpdx observed, if you have galvanized pipe that can't be replaced in, say, a concrete slab foundation and the problem is with some rust scale build-up as well? You might need something a bit larger, but you absolutely do not want it motorized due to potential for pipe damage and you'll have to be very choosy on which head you use as you'll need great flexibility to get past things like the laundry trap, and other curves and bends in 2" pipe. If that's the case, I'd recommend this one instead:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/rental/General-Wire-Spring-and-Electric-Eel-Mfg-Co-Inc-Manual-Drain-Cleaner-50-x-1-2-X550EM3-KK-1-2IC50/310642629

You will absolutely get some exercise using that sucker. This said, being a home owner of an older home with potential drainage problems, it wouldn't be the worst investment in the world to buy one of those 1/2", 50' models used from Home Despot when one comes available if you keep having problems. You can actually talk with the tool rental guys and get your name and phone number on a list so you don't have to keep a hawk's eye out on the website looking for one to come up. They usually sell the things for around the one week rental price, give or take. The one I bought for our house has more than paid for itself over the years.

If all else fails though, and you have to call out a professional, consider seeing if hydrojetting is an option and get a few quotes as @zolotiyeruki mentioned.

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Re: Flooding kitchen sink during Laundry wash cycle
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2021, 11:15:28 AM »
Thanks again everyone! All the guidance is greatly appreciated.

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Re: Flooding kitchen sink during Laundry wash cycle
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2021, 08:06:50 AM »
An update.. I used an auger to attempt to snake the drain and tried from both the sink and laundry drain access. Nothing was really coming up, and the sink continued to flood.
I ended up calling a plumber, and they did the same except entered from the roof vent to make sure that they were actually accessing the main drain line (my terms may be off, hopefully you get the gist).

After all this, the sink still flooded. We were running the water for quite some time, and the plumber noticed water pooling outside next to the laundry room, exactly above where the drain line is. It turns out I will have to replace a portion of the cast iron pipe with PVC, unfortunately I'm on a slab so it will be quite spendy.

It seems I will have to remove kitchen cabinets and flooring to access.. I am so thankful I have not gone through with the kitchen renovation yet. Access from the laundry room side may be required too, so that means removing the water heater. Fortunately, the water heater was also on my list to upgrade! So although expensive..... the timing of discovering this issue could not have been better.

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Re: Flooding kitchen sink during Laundry wash cycle
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2021, 08:59:28 AM »
Well, that is a bit of a good news/bad news kind of situation, isn't it. Sorry to hear that.

This said, get a few quotes before starting, just on general principle, and try to find a plumber in your area that does Picote Plumbing work and have them take a look as well. Your situation might be a prime application for trenchless pipe refurbishing with epoxy, might not... but if it is, it sure beats busting out the concrete for the money.
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