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Safely painting a three story house?
« on: July 31, 2024, 12:56:48 PM »
Our house could use a new paint job, but it's not a simple rambler.

It's two stories built into the side of a hill, with a walkout basement in back.  The roof is pitched very steeply, so the attic is a full story high.  Off the back, the peak of the roofline is four stories (~40ft) up, and the ground below is uneven.

I'm wondering if this is a reasonable DIY project.

Pro painters on similar houses in our neighborhood have used multiple ladders and planks to make informal scaffolding.  One that I talked to called it "third world scaffolding."  I'm not willing to go that route.

It might be overkill, but maybe it would make sense to rent commercial scaffolding?

Any tips or experiences are welcome.

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Re: Safely painting a three story house?
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2024, 02:11:44 PM »
What kind of estimates are you getting? A pro might already have the scaffolding or ladders with racks, the experience to put it up efficiently, and paint tools to quickly and efficiently complete the job. So it might be less than the value of your own labor.

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Re: Safely painting a three story house?
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2024, 02:21:08 PM »
Neighbors have said local painters are $8-10k+.  We haven't made it as far as getting estimates, but I will.

Our house is only ~1300 sq ft.  Even using top of the line paint, I doubt we're looking at more than $1500 in materials.

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Re: Safely painting a three story house?
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2024, 02:37:09 PM »
I might consider a DIY approach IF I could rent a large cherry picker and reach everywhere. The uneven soil suggests maybe not.

Those would be good quotes.

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Re: Safely painting a three story house?
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2024, 03:14:56 PM »
We also live in a house built into the side of a hill. In the backyard it’s only one story high but the front is three stories high and actually four stories up from street level, so similar roof pitches as you. No way would we take the risks associated with painting it on our own. This is a great example of where it makes sense to pay a licensed/bonded/insured professional to do the job.

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Re: Safely painting a three story house?
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2024, 07:01:02 PM »
How are you with heights?

I can't work safely more than 10 ft up, and 10 is a REAL stretch. No way I'm doing it for extended periods. I'm hiring it out. Hell, I'm never buying a house that tall because I KNOW I can't get up there. Even with scaffolding.

If you can work 40 ft up, consistently and reliably, maybe. Get quotes though, because you'd have to rent all the equipment and probably need a 2nd person to set it up. My guess is that hiring a pro may come out to be not as much of a savings as you're thinking. And I say that as a person who does most of my own painting. I just have to hire out the heights.

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Re: Safely painting a three story house?
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2024, 10:03:52 PM »
We had a similar house in the Bay Area. The worst was painting the side as it sloped and I had to construct a makeshift platform to level out the base of the extension ladder. Very scary but got it done over the course of several weeks.

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Re: Safely painting a three story house?
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2024, 06:14:53 AM »
I painted my house with a walkout basement about five years ago and had to buy an extension ladder to get up to the top of the 30 feet chimney on the backside. I swore that I would never do that again as 30 feet was way out of my comfort zone with one hand holding a paint can and the other a brush.

If/when I ever need another paint job, I'll still do the three sides that are one level and what I can reach from the ground or stepladder on the backside. Once I have that painted, I'll hire a professional to come out and do the rest. I enjoy painting, when nearer the ground and doing it this way will hopefully result in a lot cheaper quotes.

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Re: Safely painting a three story house?
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2024, 07:21:40 AM »
Slightly OT, but my 70+ y/o next door neighbor just bought a cherry picker lift.  He's planning to keep it for about a year to paint the house, trim trees, wash windows, upgrade the floodlights, etc., then he'll resell the unit.  He doesn't like renting equipment because it's expensive and being on "the clock" is stressful.  He said that he'd be able to sell it for about what he paid, maybe even make a bit of profit. 


He's a retired school principal from rural VA.  He's farmed a bit over the years and has always owned a tractor and various other machines & equipment. 


The lift he purchased has 4wd and hydraulic leveling support legs.  It has to be level before the sensors will permit operating the lift.  It is limited to the slope it can be operated on.  But it has a maximum lift height of 50 ft and a maximum reach of about 30 ft., so it will cover a large area from one spot. 








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Re: Safely painting a three story house?
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2024, 08:01:39 AM »
There's a porch on both the front and a single story addition on the back where the roofline is highest, so a scissors lift won't work.  A cherry picker might work on the front, but we don't have good access in the back.

I'm told the prior owner painted it himself with an extension ladder placed on top of the porch and addition to reach the peaks.  Both roofs are slanted. No way.

@lthenderson I've thought about doing everything I can and trying to get a pro to do the stuff I can't reach.  My concern is actually finding someone good who would take that sort of job.  Seems like there's ample work out there right now, and I'd be worried I'd get stuck with a half painted house and nobody who would be interested in finishing it up.

@GilesMM Owning an old house with a tall, steep roof has made me appreciate the virtues of ramblers.  So much easier to do work on the exterior when it's a single story with a low pitch roof.

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Re: Safely painting a three story house?
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2024, 09:08:16 AM »
There's a porch on both the front and a single story addition on the back where the roofline is highest, so a scissors lift won't work.  A cherry picker might work on the front, but we don't have good access in the back.

I'm told the prior owner painted it himself with an extension ladder placed on top of the porch and addition to reach the peaks.  Both roofs are slanted. No way.

@lthenderson I've thought about doing everything I can and trying to get a pro to do the stuff I can't reach.  My concern is actually finding someone good who would take that sort of job.  Seems like there's ample work out there right now, and I'd be worried I'd get stuck with a half painted house and nobody who would be interested in finishing it up.

@GilesMM Owning an old house with a tall, steep roof has made me appreciate the virtues of ramblers.  So much easier to do work on the exterior when it's a single story with a low pitch roof.

My now retired partner and I would only build houses with 6/12 pitches or less as we got older because of this!

Scaffolding is not often used for painting because it gets in the way of painting, most painters don't own it, and you don't really need access to every square foot of the siding to paint (pro's use sprayers).

I use pump jacks for siding repairs, but most painters just use a lot of extension ladders for painting, or ladder jacks, which mount to extension ladders and enable you to put a plank between two ladders. These are much less safer than pump jacks because they only have a walking plank, where a pump jack setup has a working plank behind you, making it much harder to fall, and you can go up and down at will with the pump jacks, so you aren't reaching and becoming unstable.

It's actually very difficult to do much "work" from a ladder, especially near the top, as you're too close to the side of the structure. 

The best way to put a ladder base on a sloped roof is to install roof jacks and planks first (toe boards): this helps you to not fall off the roof and gives a brace for the ladder feet. Of course, you will likely damage the roof shingles so you also want to set up a piece of plywood that will protect the roof and lock to the roof jacks and not just slide off the roof.

A boom lift is also available from the rental yards and is by far the safest option, though expensive. You want the version with big off road looking tires, although they aren't quite as off road capable as they look. If you're going up 40' you will still get spooked even in the boom lift, but they are pretty fun once you get used to the swaying. Just be careful "driving" them from the boom when extended. The rental yard will deliver and pick up the machine.

A one week rental should give you plenty of time.

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Re: Safely painting a three story house?
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2024, 09:16:48 PM »
If/when I ever need another paint job, I'll still do the three sides that are one level and what I can reach from the ground or stepladder on the backside. Once I have that painted, I'll hire a professional to come out and do the rest. I enjoy painting, when nearer the ground and doing it this way will hopefully result in a lot cheaper quotes.

My painter neighbor says that when people ask him to only paint the difficult stuff he bids what he would have for the entire project. Can't blame him!

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Re: Safely painting a three story house?
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2024, 06:36:30 AM »
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@GilesMM Owning an old house with a tall, steep roof has made me appreciate the virtues of ramblers.  So much easier to do work on the exterior when it's a single story with a low pitch roof.


Me too. Our current house is one story with a low pitch roof I have already walked many times.

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Re: Safely painting a three story house?
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2024, 04:08:04 AM »
I don't know if there are any flat enough spots in your lot to use as a stable base, but I'd consider renting a boom lift.

In my location, Sunbelt will rent a 60' articulating boom lift, delivered and picked up for $1555 on a 7 day rental.
An 80' lift (more reach if you have limited places to use as a base) is $2565.
I'd imagine there's insurance and possibly an up front deposit to be refunded on return as well.

If you have a paint sprayer (or plan to rent one), a bunch of your time will be spent doing prep and cleanup, but it can be worth it.

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Re: Safely painting a three story house?
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2024, 10:15:48 AM »
Slightly OT, but my 70+ y/o next door neighbor just bought a cherry picker lift.  He's planning to keep it for about a year to paint the house, trim trees, wash windows, upgrade the floodlights, etc., then he'll resell the unit.  He doesn't like renting equipment because it's expensive and being on "the clock" is stressful.  He said that he'd be able to sell it for about what he paid, maybe even make a bit of profit. 


He's a retired school principal from rural VA.  He's farmed a bit over the years and has always owned a tractor and various other machines & equipment. 


The lift he purchased has 4wd and hydraulic leveling support legs.  It has to be level before the sensors will permit operating the lift.  It is limited to the slope it can be operated on.  But it has a maximum lift height of 50 ft and a maximum reach of about 30 ft., so it will cover a large area from one spot.
Brilliant!

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Re: Safely painting a three story house?
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2024, 10:19:17 AM »

I swore that I would never do that again as 30 feet was way out of my comfort zone with one hand holding a paint can and the other a brush.


Not sure if this will make you feel any better, but my the guy I hired to remove birds' nests told me that falling from 40 feet isn't really any different than falling from 20 feet. 

(I don't really believe that, and apparently neither do insurance companies, which is why it costs so much more to insure work done with a 40 foot ladder)

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Re: Safely painting a three story house?
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2024, 10:25:22 AM »
Slightly OT, but my 70+ y/o next door neighbor just bought a cherry picker lift.  He's planning to keep it for about a year to paint the house, trim trees, wash windows, upgrade the floodlights, etc., then he'll resell the unit.  He doesn't like renting equipment because it's expensive and being on "the clock" is stressful.  He said that he'd be able to sell it for about what he paid, maybe even make a bit of profit. 


He's a retired school principal from rural VA.  He's farmed a bit over the years and has always owned a tractor and various other machines & equipment. 


The lift he purchased has 4wd and hydraulic leveling support legs.  It has to be level before the sensors will permit operating the lift.  It is limited to the slope it can be operated on.  But it has a maximum lift height of 50 ft and a maximum reach of about 30 ft., so it will cover a large area from one spot.
Brilliant!


He's been using it every day since he got it.  :)

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Re: Safely painting a three story house?
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2024, 02:52:37 PM »
I have been an on-and-off painting contractor for a few decades now.  These days I only do 1-2 jobs a summer, mostly just to help out friends.  That said, I'm pretty sure I've got at least a few thousand hours of experience. 

Unless you can rent a decent lift and know how to safely use it, just pay someone to do the job.  I would never recommend any ladder above 24 foot to a homeowner, and even that is pushing it for many people.  That will generally get you to the top of a 2 story house as long as it doesn't have complicated overhangs or sloping access. 

Money is important, but health is forever.  It's just not worth the risk. 

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Re: Safely painting a three story house?
« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2024, 04:56:25 PM »
I put S5 clamps on my metal roof and clip in when I'm on it.

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Re: Safely painting a three story house?
« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2024, 10:45:51 AM »
I have been an on-and-off painting contractor for a few decades now.  These days I only do 1-2 jobs a summer, mostly just to help out friends.  That said, I'm pretty sure I've got at least a few thousand hours of experience. 

Unless you can rent a decent lift and know how to safely use it, just pay someone to do the job.  I would never recommend any ladder above 24 foot to a homeowner, and even that is pushing it for many people.  That will generally get you to the top of a 2 story house as long as it doesn't have complicated overhangs or sloping access. 

Money is important, but health is forever.  It's just not worth the risk.

I appreciate your perspective.  We're probably going to delay it a bit, and eventually hire someone.

BTW for anyone interested, our exterior is stucco, and I touched up a particularly bad section last week with a Sherwin Williams product called Loxon.  Whoa, best paint for stucco I've ever used by a mile, at least on the initial application.

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Re: Safely painting a three story house?
« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2024, 01:11:57 PM »
Here is a method:

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Re: Safely painting a three story house?
« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2024, 09:23:57 AM »
Scaffolds for the win. Or cherry picker. I have a small HF scaffold that gets me 4ft up. Gives me about 6ft of walk length.

Not useful for a 3 story house but the point is how much more useful a scaffold is compared to a ladder.

You can rent scaffold but a cherry picker might be faster though more expensive.

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Re: Safely painting a three story house?
« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2024, 07:32:02 AM »
How much is being able to use your legs or your life worth?

I'm all about DIY - but the one area I pay people is when heights are involved.  No worries going up maybe two stories - but beyond that I'm not paying for the work, I'm paying for the risk.

All it takes is one slip and you are fucked for life.

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« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2024, 11:31:18 AM »
Just depends on how confident you feel and the environment you're working in.

I quit a job once because they wanted me to do unsafe stuff with unsafe equipment at 50ft+ heights. Nope.

On the other hand, I've enjoyed rock climbing and rappelling 150+ft distances but with proper equipment and experience.

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Re: Safely painting a three story house?
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2025, 07:11:36 AM »
Welp, I am just about done painting a 2 & 1/2 story house. Estimate was $7K for labor alone (I got the paint for a good price). I spent around $1,500 on a Baker type scaffold kit, a long extension handle, paint and supplies. Some wood trim repair was also needed (I used an epoxy kit). Pretty sure repairs would have been added to the cost.

I feel a sense of accomplishment and I managed to get over a mild fear of being anywhere higher than sea-level. I have always been a good house painter but at my age (64), this will be the last time. I would take on a one story perhaps, but wow, a two story is a lot more difficult. I spent half the time just mulling over the safest and easiest approaches as I worked my way around. The sketchiest part for me is placing/removing the safety rails on the top platform. Once they are in, I am good.

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Re: Safely painting a three story house?
« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2025, 03:18:01 PM »
I put S5 clamps on my metal roof and clip in when I'm on it.

Okay, still mulling the idea of doing it myself, and I'm curious about adding anchors under the eaves on the tall ends so that I could tie myself off with a harness.  I have roofers coming out to fix a different issue, and I'm thinking I might be able to get them to install the anchors at the same time.  I'm thinking of some big eye-bolts or something.

Is there a standard way to do this?  Has anyone here done it?

The more I think about the job, I could do 50% from the ground with a roller and extension, another 35% with scaffolding, and about 13% standing safely on the roof of my porch.  It's the last 2% (edging under the eaves on the tall ends) that would be really sketchy without some sort of safety catch.  If I could get that issue sorted out, I could do the job myself, both now and in the future.

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Re: Safely painting a three story house?
« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2025, 04:59:11 PM »
I put S5 clamps on my metal roof and clip in when I'm on it.

Okay, still mulling the idea of doing it myself, and I'm curious about adding anchors under the eaves on the tall ends so that I could tie myself off with a harness.  I have roofers coming out to fix a different issue, and I'm thinking I might be able to get them to install the anchors at the same time.  I'm thinking of some big eye-bolts or something.

Is there a standard way to do this?  Has anyone here done it?

The more I think about the job, I could do 50% from the ground with a roller and extension, another 35% with scaffolding, and about 13% standing safely on the roof of my porch.  It's the last 2% (edging under the eaves on the tall ends) that would be really sketchy without some sort of safety catch.  If I could get that issue sorted out, I could do the job myself, both now and in the future.

Honestly, I would rather focus on accessing it safely from below than to install anchors, count on them being solid enough to hold me should I fall, and figuring out how once they arrested my fall, I could get down from hanging off of an anchored rope. If I can't safely paint using scaffolds, ladders, roller extensions, etc., I would rather hire someone who can do it safely. I guess my answer might change if I was familiar with rock climbing and using harnesses.

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Re: Safely painting a three story house?
« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2025, 08:20:07 PM »
I put S5 clamps on my metal roof and clip in when I'm on it.

Okay, still mulling the idea of doing it myself, and I'm curious about adding anchors under the eaves on the tall ends so that I could tie myself off with a harness.  I have roofers coming out to fix a different issue, and I'm thinking I might be able to get them to install the anchors at the same time.  I'm thinking of some big eye-bolts or something.

Is there a standard way to do this?  Has anyone here done it?

The more I think about the job, I could do 50% from the ground with a roller and extension, another 35% with scaffolding, and about 13% standing safely on the roof of my porch.  It's the last 2% (edging under the eaves on the tall ends) that would be really sketchy without some sort of safety catch.  If I could get that issue sorted out, I could do the job myself, both now and in the future.


Our old house had a flat roof but it included the tie-downs shown below. I guess safety regulations required those anchors for workers who were up there as they could fall over the side.  I never used them.



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Re: Safely painting a three story house?
« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2025, 01:40:33 AM »
I had the same height issue and ended up renting a boom lift for a week—it made a huge difference in safety and time. Using ladders was fine for touch-ups and lower areas, but I wouldn’t have felt safe doing the very top without that lift. Just make sure your ground is level, and having a friend around helps if you're moving stuff or handling long poles.
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