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Running Electric to my Detached Garage
« on: February 18, 2014, 12:59:27 PM »
This summer I'd like to run a buried electric line to my detached garage (~150' from the house). There are currently overhead lines between the house and garage that both the home inspector and an electrician told us are unsafe.
I'm on board with removing the old lines, digging the trench for the new one, and running the conduit/line, but I'm not sure how to set up the service in the garage. Will it need its own breaker box?
Complicating the setup are two things:
1. My wife does ceramics, and eventually we'd like a electric ceramics kiln in the garage.
2. I'd like to be able to run a backup generator in the garage to feed the house in the event that we lose electricity.

So, am I stuck hiring an electrician for this job, or is it DIY-able? (Assume I'm allowed to do my own electrical work in my municipality)

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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2014, 01:04:55 PM »
2. I'd like to be able to run a backup generator in the garage to feed the house in the event that we lose electricity.
Run a generator IN the garage? You mean like a gasoline generator run inside a building? Please clarify.

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Re: Running Electric to my Detached Garage
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2014, 01:08:48 PM »
2. I'd like to be able to run a backup generator in the garage to feed the house in the event that we lose electricity.
Run a generator IN the garage? You mean like a gasoline generator run inside a building? Please clarify.

Yes, inside the garage. The garage is a separate structure from the house, so I could open the bay doors while running the generator without afffecting the climate in the house.

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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2014, 01:11:12 PM »
warning: I am not an electrician and I don't play one on TV.

The mitigating factors are obviously the kiln and the backfeed for the generator.

I have no earthly idea how much juice a kiln needs. 

There are also varying ideas (and code requirements) for how to feed a generator.   I believe some places will require you to have an alternate feed (i.e. some places won't allow back feeding through the same panel.)  Back feeding has some safety issues, but I do think it can be done safely.  (Again: I'm not an electrician.  Take an electrician's advice over mine!)

You'll need to sort out the code requirements for the generator, the power requirements for the kiln and "how much of your house do you want to run off the generator."

If you plan to run your entire house, you are probably going to end up running 2 sets of lines -- one to feed down to the garage and one to feed up to the house (from the generator).   In fact... I'm not entirely sure how to go about back feeding safely from a secondary panel... you may be talking two sets of lines anyway.

Backfeed explanation:  You may or may not need this, but I'll spell it out anyway.  Some folks will just plug a generator into the panel on it's own circuit.  When you do this you'll need to size that circuit "as big as you need it".  In other words, if you just want to run a handful of lights and a refrigerator, you can get by with a lot less.  But you'll have to shed load (by turning off unused circuits).  You will also need some mechanism to FORCE you to isolate yourself from the grid.  At my panel I have a lockout made by the panel manufacturer that forces you to either turn off the generator feed or the main feed.   What you really don't want is to turn on your generator and feed power out the mains.  This is dangerous for the linemen and can burn up your generator when it tries to power all your neighbors.

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Re: Running Electric to my Detached Garage
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2014, 01:20:14 PM »
I have no earthly idea how much juice a kiln needs. 

It needs approximately "a lot." ;-)
 
You will also need some mechanism to FORCE you to isolate yourself from the grid.  At my panel I have a lockout made by the panel manufacturer that forces you to either turn off the generator feed or the main feed.   What you really don't want is to turn on your generator and feed power out the mains.  This is dangerous for the linemen and can burn up your generator when it tries to power all your neighbors.

This part is actually the easiest. Code requires a box X number of feet from where the line comes into the house. Since the main home breaker box is X+100 feet from where the line comes in, there's an interim "ON/OFF" breaker to comply with code. Flip the big switch and fire up the generator. Easy peasy.

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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2014, 02:11:13 PM »
Why are the overhead lines unsafe?    In some areas of the country with lots of pre-war construction these seem to be fairly standard.   I had them in CT and they didn't seem to be a problem, besides being unsightly.

Otherwise, you'll probably want to run service between your main electrical box inside or outside your house through conduit (check local codes for type and depth) to the garage, and then into a new sub panel for the garage.   That will allow you to divide breakers for lights, outlets, dedicated outlets for high draw items like compressors or dust collectors and even a 240 volt outlet if you ever want to weld, put a really big compressor in or setup an electric home brewery (wait, that's probably just me).

Personally, I wouldn't put in a generator unless I really had to.   That sounds like an enormous hassle and probably more expensive than a couple hundred feet of 14/2 and a sub panel.   I'm not an electrician by any means, but I did wire up my porch in CT when I enclosed it.    Really wasn't that difficult if you do a lot of research and move slowly and deliberately.

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Re: Running Electric to my Detached Garage
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2014, 02:20:20 PM »
Why are the overhead lines unsafe?    In some areas of the country with lots of pre-war construction these seem to be fairly standard.   I had them in CT and they didn't seem to be a problem, besides being unsightly.

I'm not sure. I just know that both the electrician and the home inspector told us (at separate times) that they are. It might have something to do with them exiting the house near a second story porch. At any rate, I'm going to take their word for it.

That sounds like an enormous hassle and probably more expensive than a couple hundred feet of 14/2 and a sub panel.

Tell me more about this...

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Re: Running Electric to my Detached Garage
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2014, 03:36:56 PM »
running a kiln plus other stuff may take larger wire than 14/2

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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2014, 05:10:39 PM »
running a kiln plus other stuff may take larger wire than 14/2

+1.  You need to get the nameplate data off the kiln.  Should say wattage/amperage.  Is it 240v?  That and your distance will tell you the required wire size from electrician charts that are available online.  Of course, that assumes the kiln is your only load when on.  What if you want to add an air compressor or welder later? 

By code generators require an interlock.  I put one in my house but I don't see an easy way to do this for you without running 2 sets of cables (as previously suggested).  A small portable generator will be at least 4kw which requires a large cable (ie big expense).  Far easier to just put the plug and interlock right at the house.  If you don't put in an interlock you risk someone else (future buyer maybe?) energizing downed lines which could cause an injury.

Definitely agree with running conduit as it makes running additional cable later easier.  I don't really like buried lines that don't use conduit.

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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2014, 07:20:36 PM »
If I went to the trouble of trenching, I wouldn't put in something puny like 14/2, at the very least it would be 12/2 so that I can run a 20A circuit.

For an electric kiln, it would vary - but I would figure somewhere between 240V/30A and 240V/50A - which is gonna need bigger than 12/2 anyway.


But DON'T GUESS. There are easy online calculators!

http://www.paigewire.com/pumpWireCalc.aspx

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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2014, 07:37:22 PM »
Find several modell of kiln you're interested in and check their specifications.  Any competent kiln dealer can tell you exactly what you need to run the kiln.  If they can't, find one that can. 

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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2014, 08:36:06 PM »
running a kiln plus other stuff may take larger wire than 14/2

Ahh, I missed that part. And I meant 12/2.    This is what happens when I post with small children in the room.
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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2014, 09:23:32 PM »
running a kiln plus other stuff may take larger wire than 14/2

Ahh, I missed that part. And I meant 12/2.    This is what happens when I post with small children in the room.

With a generator over 150 feet away, I'd suspect you're talking 8/3 or 6/3 (but I can't say I've actually calculated this).  I think you'll need both a ground and a neutral.  And I'd suspect you'll want something like a 50 amp circuit.  And the setup we're talking about... I suspect we're talking 2 runs of something very large, not one.  We ain't talking $20 worth of copper here.

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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2014, 09:37:45 PM »
running a kiln plus other stuff may take larger wire than 14/2

Ahh, I missed that part. And I meant 12/2.    This is what happens when I post with small children in the room.

With a generator over 150 feet away, I'd suspect you're talking 8/3 or 6/3 (but I can't say I've actually calculated this).  I think you'll need both a ground and a neutral.  And I'd suspect you'll want something like a 50 amp circuit.  And the setup we're talking about... I suspect we're talking 2 runs of something very large, not one.  We ain't talking $20 worth of copper here.

No, I'd think running the generator as close to the main panel as possible would be a better bet, and that seems to be how most of them are setup.   

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Re: Running Electric to my Detached Garage
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2014, 06:53:23 AM »
Definitely agree with running conduit as it makes running additional cable later easier.  I don't really like buried lines that don't use conduit.

Yup. One of my friends actually suggested leaving some string or rope in the conduit to aid in running future lines. Seemed like a good idea.

No, I'd think running the generator as close to the main panel as possible would be a better bet, and that seems to be how most of them are setup.

Ok... we have a back porch with a roof over it that's probably 15-20' from the main house breaker. Maybe I should set something up to the back porch instead for the generator, as a separate project.

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Re: Running Electric to my Detached Garage
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2014, 07:49:14 AM »
Why are the overhead lines unsafe?    In some areas of the country with lots of pre-war construction these seem to be fairly standard.   I had them in CT and they didn't seem to be a problem, besides being unsightly.

I'm not sure. I just know that both the electrician and the home inspector told us (at separate times) that they are. It might have something to do with them exiting the house near a second story porch. At any rate, I'm going to take their word for it.

When we've been out looking at potential houses one of them had the overhead line that was run from the power pole, over the garage, and within arm's reach (and not even my 6' arm's reach, my 5'1" fiancee's arm's reach...) of the back deck. Our agent said that it would almost certainly get dinged on the inspection because of both of those things- it being so close to the deck was a danger of hitting it from the deck and running over the garage because if something happened (branch fell on the line) and the line snapped and it fell onto the roof it could catch the garage on fire.

That said, I've noticed a LOT of places where the line runs over the garage, so even if it may not meet current-build code it was acceptable for a while...

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« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2014, 08:29:36 AM »
Another possibility is if you know any electricians, maybe you could work out a deal with them to do some of the labor and they can do the dangerous/difficult stuff.   Say, you can dig the trench and run the conduit, nail up the boxes etc.    You might even be able to find someone in the yellow pages that will work with you.

I did this once with a water heater in a really old house.    The wiring wasn't marked well and I didn't really know what I was doing at the time.    But I did know how to hook up the plumbing, so I did that and had an electrician come over and hook up the wires.

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« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2014, 09:59:34 AM »
Disclaimer:  advice only.  If any of this sounds like greek to you, hire an electrician.

Since you aren't planning on installing the generator right away, you should strongly consider asking the power company to do a separate (new) drop to your garage.  This would allow you to get a 100amp service very easily and with much less start up cost.  When the day comes that you want to put in the generator, you could then run wire between the garage and house.  This is absolutely the route I would go. 

If you decide to power the garage from a new drop you'll need:

- To consider hiring an electrician as this is not a simple DIY project.
- A 100amp outside disconnect between the meter base and panel.  Installation of this now will make things easier when it comes time to install the generator.
- A 100amp main breaker panel and necessary breakers.  The kiln will get its own breaker, probably in the neighborhood of 50 or 60 amps and you'll need a handful of 20 amp breakers for lights/receptacles. ($100)
- Enough 12/2 wire to run lights and receptacles.  You could get away with 14/2 for the lights but I wouldn't recommend anything less than a 20 amp circuit for the receptacles.  Tools have high start up costs and resetting tripped breakers is lame. 
- 3 GFI outlets.  Unless your garage is tiny, i'd set it up so there are no less than 3 separate circuits for receptacles and each will require its own GFI. ($50)
- Boxes, switches, plain receptacles, covers, staples, wire nuts, 3m tape (don't go cheap here), and miscellaneous items. ($200)

The above is a simple and effective means for powering your garage.  However, if you want to run power from the house, you'll need:

- To very seriously consider hiring an electrician.
- An electric service at your house that will support a 100 amp sub panel.  This all comes down to what you have in the panel already and there are formulas and percentages that allow you to calculate how much that panel will support.  200 amps might be sufficient but if you have 100 or 150 amps at the house, forget it.
- To call Miss Utility 48 hours before you dig.
- A machine to dig the trench (ditch witch or backhoe).  The trench will need to be at least below the frost line.
- 100' of 1 1/2" Cantex conduit and various fittings and boxes to route the wire where you want it.  You should consider 2" conduit as this is a long pull with wire that doesn't like to bend.  You'll also need rope and wire lube.  When you do the pull, include a piece of rope with the wire so that you can perform a separate pull in the future if it ever becomes necessary.  Make sure it doesn't get twisted up with the 4 pieces of wire. ($125) 
- 450' of 2awg wire (300' black, 150' white) for your conductors and 4awg wire (150' green) for your ground.  Remember you'll need to have enough wire to get from panel to panel.  Err on the side of caution because cutting the wire too short will be a costly mistake. ($1000)
- You should be able to use the same main breaker panel in the garage but you'll also need a 100amp breaker ($30-60) to go on the main panel that feeds your sub panel.

When you decide to install a generator, you will need to hire an electrician.

When the time comes that you want to install the generator, you'll need to run wire between the garage and house and install as described above (if this wasn't done before).  Once the wire is in place, it will work in both directions and you should have the power company remove the service drop.  You'll wire your generator into a breaker on the sub panel so that it can feed that panel and subsequently feed the main panel through the wire you buried.

As for the generator, if you intend to power your whole house I would recommend no less than a 15kw.  If you have a decent size house or intend to use an electric furnace, water heater, pump, or stove, a 20kw would be the way to go.  You can limit the devices that will be fed by the generator by isolating those breakers in the main panel.

Since you only have power coming into your system through one point, you'll just need to be able to disconnect the electricity between the main panel in your house and the grid.  This is a must because back flowing electricity is not only dangerous, it is illegal.  This can be accomplished by simply shutting off the main breaker on the house panel or by installing a disconnect between the panel and meter.

Once everything is installed and ready, switching from grid to generator would be as simple as:

- Shutting off main breaker at main panel or shutting off disconnect between house meter base and panel
- Starting the generator

Then, just watch your neighbors' houses to see when they get electricity back and you can reverse the process.

There are, of course, fancierpants ways to install a generator.  These involve automatic transfer switches, signal wires, and a lot more knowhow.

Again, if it any point this seems above your head, call someone with more expertise!  Oh, and good luck!

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« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2014, 07:05:17 AM »
thinking about it, I don't believe installing the generator inside the detached garage is a good idea.  Even with the door open the gen may start to run poorly as it uses up the air.  When it stops, you-- thinking it's out of gas, will go to the garage to refuel it.  You will collapse within minutes due to CO.

More importantly, running a generator inside a garage may void your home insurance if the instructions say To Be Used Outside.

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« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2014, 09:38:55 AM »
The generator inside/outside issue isn't that big of a deal.  As long as it's aspirated and exhausted from/to the outside, then it will run just fine and cause no issues for the breathing air.  For the most part, people have their generators outside but i've seen them installed in people's garages and even basements. 

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« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2014, 09:44:26 AM »
What kind of overhead wire is it? I've seen old open secondary (three bare copper wires) that is way to low for my comfort zone. I'm a lineman and if it was me i would
A) consider running a 100 amp service to the garage directly from the meter. If you only have a 100 amp meter service call your power company and see about upgrading it to 200 amp. The newer meter cans atleast where I work have a breaker panel built in. Then you would just have to add a 100 amp breaker to that panel and run your service to a breaker panel in the garage and divide your circuits up accordingly.
B) for the generator they make what is called a transfer switch which is a spring loaded switch that disconnects your service from the grid and closes the generator circuit in. This is important for safety for your friendly neighbor hood lineman (me) and so you don't overload your generator by trying to power half the town.
C) I would not put the generator in an enclosed building. Even with the doors open. I know it can be done but it's just a personal prefance

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« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2014, 10:07:03 AM »

B) for the generator they make what is called a transfer switch which is a spring loaded switch that disconnects your service from the grid and closes the generator circuit in. This is important for safety for your friendly neighbor hood lineman (me) and so you don't overload your generator by trying to power half the town.

A less expensive version is just to have an interlock.  This requires throwing 2 switches... but still protects the lineman (and the generator).   

Example (but you'd want the one made for your panel):
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Square-D-by-Schneider-Electric-Homeline-Outdoor-Generator-Interlock-Kit-HOMRBGK2C/203030954

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« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2014, 02:09:33 PM »

B) for the generator they make what is called a transfer switch which is a spring loaded switch that disconnects your service from the grid and closes the generator circuit in. This is important for safety for your friendly neighbor hood lineman (me) and so you don't overload your generator by trying to power half the town.

A less expensive version is just to have an interlock.  This requires throwing 2 switches... but still protects the lineman (and the generator).   

Example (but you'd want the one made for your panel):
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Square-D-by-Schneider-Electric-Homeline-Outdoor-Generator-Interlock-Kit-HOMRBGK2C/203030954
Very true. I guess without my company discount transfer switches are probably pricey

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« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2014, 02:51:57 PM »
A) consider running a 100 amp service to the garage directly from the meter. If you only have a 100 amp meter service call your power company and see about upgrading it to 200 amp. The newer meter cans atleast where I work have a breaker panel built in. Then you would just have to add a 100 amp breaker to that panel and run your service to a breaker panel in the garage and divide your circuits up accordingly.

I've seen bases with a disconnect built in but not a panel.  This could work but you're still looking at the expense of running the new wire now versus waiting until generator time.  How much would a new service drop just for the garage cost?  Is it cost prohibitive since the OP is eventually going to power the garage from the house anyway?  Would this cost be comparable to the new base you're describing?

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« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2014, 06:03:04 AM »
A) consider running a 100 amp service to the garage directly from the meter. If you only have a 100 amp meter service call your power company and see about upgrading it to 200 amp. The newer meter cans atleast where I work have a breaker panel built in. Then you would just have to add a 100 amp breaker to that panel and run your service to a breaker panel in the garage and divide your circuits up accordingly.

I've seen bases with a disconnect built in but not a panel.  This could work but you're still looking at the expense of running the new wire now versus waiting until generator time.  How much would a new service drop just for the garage cost?  Is it cost prohibitive since the OP is eventually going to power the garage from the house anyway?  Would this cost be comparable to the new base you're describing?
In my senario I would not power the garage from the house. I would also keep everything under the same meter. Depending on how old the service is a lot of times the upgrade can be "free". The only time I would want the garage on a seperate service would be if you where running a business out of it and needed to track expenses. I know here at least if it's a non-residential building you would have to have a demand meter. Also even if you didn't use a lot of electricity every month there would still be an additional meter charge and minimum usage charge (flat rate up to x amount of kWh) just for having another service

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Re: Running Electric to my Detached Garage
« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2014, 10:52:08 AM »
Based on all the discussion here, I think this is my plan of attack:
1. Dig the trench, lay the conduit, and disconnect the old overhead service myself. Install (but not hook up) the new lines in the garage.
2. Hire an electrician to do the work of installing the new subpanel and hooking everything up.
3. Have a generator hookup installed on our (roofed) back porch instead of the garage, because the extra copper to run all the way to the garage is cost prohibitive.

Thanks for the thoughts, all. It has been educational. :-)

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« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2014, 11:17:35 AM »
Free tip:  If your work will be inspected (and it should to avoid future problems) be sure to leave the conduit unburied until inspected.  Some places allow pictures but you should ask first.

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« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2014, 11:22:06 AM »
Free tip:  If your work will be inspected (and it should to avoid future problems) be sure to leave the conduit unburied until inspected.  Some places allow pictures but you should ask first.

Very good point Greg!

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« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2014, 11:43:36 AM »
So, as a follow up to all this, where is the best place to get cheap conduit and wire?

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« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2014, 11:46:26 AM »
the electric utility frequently has the sole right to connect their power feed.  When I was an apprentice (briefly), the journeyman disconnected the supply lines from the weatherhead, installed the mounting for the new meter, ran new wires from there up and out the weatherhead, but then had to wait for the guy from the utility to show up and rejoin the wires together.  Even though we were being paid by the job instead of by the hour, we still had to wait.  So, before you do this yourself you might ask around

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« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2014, 12:20:38 PM »
So, as a follow up to all this, where is the best place to get cheap conduit and wire?

Some electrical contractor supply houses will also sell to the general public.  Often the prices are better than the big box stores, but not always.  Call around to find prices, you may be surprised.

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« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2014, 04:36:28 PM »
Free tip:  If your work will be inspected (and it should to avoid future problems) be sure to leave the conduit unburied until inspected.  Some places allow pictures but you should ask first.

If you want to look like a pro, make sure the writing on the conduit is visible when glued.  In my area, electric needs to be 24" down.  12" above that 3" conduit I ran another 2" conduit and put my internet cable in it along with a spare rope to pull any future lines.  12" gives you room to try and minimize electrical interference.  My thought was it costs money to rent a trencher and better to rent it once.  Also, now I only need to find one line and I then know where both is.  Conversely I have to first hit my phone line before hitting the power line when digging.

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Re: Running Electric to my Detached Garage
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2014, 05:26:04 PM »
the electric utility frequently has the sole right to connect their power feed.  When I was an apprentice (briefly), the journeyman disconnected the supply lines from the weatherhead, installed the mounting for the new meter, ran new wires from there up and out the weatherhead, but then had to wait for the guy from the utility to show up and rejoin the wires together.  Even though we were being paid by the job instead of by the hour, we still had to wait.  So, before you do this yourself you might ask around
Yea... Do not hook yourself up. The utility company will not be happy. If you need the power turned off just call and they will send somebody out to do it and then call them back to reconnect you. The utility doesn't like people messing with their stuff for reasons
A) your safety
B) in the land of lawyers if you where to try and hook it up yourself and got fried I'm sure they could be seen somewhat at fault.
C) the electric meter is how they know how much your bill is. They will want to inspect its instalation.

We have a policy where we HAVE to file a police report for any suspected tampering with our equipment. It normally doesn't come to pressing charges but why risk it.

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Re: Running Electric to my Detached Garage
« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2014, 05:11:51 AM »
As a licensed electrician for the last thirty years, I'm impressed that there is a lot of solid info. in the responses, some incorrect, some dangerous (which is typical) most just fine.

First, the genny. Absent any extraordinary requirements, it should not be placed 150' away from the house, it should in fact be as close to the main panel as possible. It's all about line loss. Wire is expensive, and burying it in conduit ups the cost several magnitudes.  When you do voltage lost calculations, generally once you are at the 175 ft. length on a wire run, you start to see excessive loss and need to upsize wire. Given the larger wire size required, and the distance, you are needlessly adding thousands of dollars to the job.

The second issue on the genny is a code required interlocking or load transferring device. One poster here spoke of just flipping a few breakers to cut the incoming power from the utility. Sorry, but no. As stated, there needs to be a device that physically and electrically disconnects the utility from the emergency power while operating the  emergency system. Automatic standby generators use automated transfer switches that switch the loads that were chosen during the installation (heat, lights, fridge, et...) from utilty to emergency power. Manual transfer switches require that you flip each breaker to the emergency setting after starting the genny. Interlocks require the incoming main to be off, before allowing the genny backfeed breaker to be turned on.  If you are going with a manual system, definitely use an interlock. Too many folks end up with a ten or twelve circuit transfer switch panel, and find that they would of liked to use other circuits in the main panel, but can't. An interlock allows a choice of every circuit in the house, limited by how hard you are loading the genny.
Finally, regarding generator safety. You CAN NOT run a gas engine in a building unless it has an expensive, complex, listed, labeled, code approved and inspected, exhaust to the exterior AND a make up air system. In the last decade six people in my area died, in two separate incidents when they had portable generators running at the threshold of an open garage door as they slept. A detached garage is not a safe environment to operate a gas engine either. You may be just fine with the garage door open, or you may attempting to accomplish some task in there while it's running and slowly drift off to sleep and never wake up!

Now back to the garage issue. IMHO, your sped past the two best options here. First, there is nothing wrong with an overhead line to the garage. Do some research and get a professional opinion about why yours happens to be an issue. There are requirements for every aspect, but chances are you could run an overhead sup-panel feed at a fraction of the cost of doing an underground installation. Do some google work and ask a pro about your options there. Second choice is a 100A service to the garage.  This involves a new overhead drop from the utility, a meter and mast, and a panel in the garage. This is the best option if it's physically possible ( there is a pole located at a good spot for a drop, and/or the utility won't try to empty your wallet to accommodate you.)
You would end up with lots of available power, a completely new installation, no lost of breaker space and capacity in the house, and no expensive, ugly trenching. The only down side, as other's mentioned is billing. A demand meter, peak meter, time of day meter, or higher (non-residential) rates for a separate meter can be a deal breaker in some areas.

As for the specifics of any other issue here, not enough info. To go further online I would want to know more about the genny situation (why, what are your needs, do you want to run the whole house or address a very short emergency, etc...) More about the current condition of ther home's wiring, panel, etc... and the nameplate info. off the kiln. (volts, amps, circuit requirements, etc ...)

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Re: Running Electric to my Detached Garage
« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2014, 12:45:34 PM »
paddedhat said it a lot better than I did but yea what he said. I are not good speaking lol

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Re: Running Electric to my Detached Garage
« Reply #35 on: February 22, 2014, 07:10:58 PM »
So, as a follow up to all this, where is the best place to get cheap conduit and wire?
Why are you asking us?  You want an expert on the code requirements in your area, and they'll know where to find "affordable quality" that will pass inspection instead of "cheap" that might require re-work. 

When we designed/installed our photovoltaic array, we found an electrician who was willing to work with us.  We paid him to run the electrical permit (required for a net-metering agreement) because he had the plans and the "permit runner" to make it happen.  (Worth every penny.)  The installation deal was that he'd tell us what mechanical & code requirements had to be met, and what hardware would do the trick.  (He charged us an hourly consulting fee for this phase.)  He also made sure that we didn't seal anything up which needed to be inspected.  Most of this part of the job was done by e-mailing questions & photos back & forth.  I think he was pretty happy to sit in his office and pontificate via e-mail at his hourly rate instead of scampering around on the roof in the hot weather doing construction & mechanical for a flat fee.

When we had all the right equipment installed to his specs, his team parachuted in to make the final connections.  He put his contractor's license number on the net-metering agreement and we were good to go.  They were on site for less than half a day.

You could do the same with your electrician:  learn what he wants from the trench, the hardware, and the connections.  Do the construction/mechanical yourself and e-mail him lots of photos.  Get everything laid out for the final bolting together and then bring him in when it's time to add the finishing touches.  Let him coordinate the permits & inspections, and fill the trench when everyone has satisfied themselves that you're ready.