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Roofing job, DIY?
« on: May 04, 2014, 11:03:43 PM »
Hi fellow Mustachians, just wondering if anyone has work and replace their own home's roof. I enjoy doing DIY jobs but have not done any roofing jobs before. I know MMM has replace his roof a few times and from what I'm reading, its not too hard but just lots of labor intense type of work.

My home is a simple ranch house with gable roof line, (2 sloped sides only with one single ridge line). The house is located at Southern California, so not much rain and the weather is pretty temperate. It currently have asphalt shingles and roughly about 10+ years old. My dream plan is to replace it with metal roofing but is also considering working with shingles as well.

I'm interested in hearing if anyone has done a roofing job and what advice would you give, i.e such as amount of time, labor person, cost of material and what tools.

I'm also looking for anyone can recommend a roofer as well, I don't mind paying for someone to help but like to learn as well.

Thanks in advance.


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Re: Roofing job, DIY?
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2014, 11:13:43 PM »
Do it! although at 10 years old I'd be surprised if your shingles need replacing already. Maybe they last longer here in Canada?

I've done it three times in my life and it's very easy. A bundle of shingles is pretty heavy, so be ready for a good workout.

Three tips:
1) get them delivered with a boom truck and get the truck to put the shingles directly on your roof so that you don't have to carry them up. The truck driver should know where to put them. Make sure that he spreads them out.
2) if you don't have a pneumatic nail gun, rent one (drop by the local rental centre and ask them about tools for roofing).
3) lay out tarps around your house to catch the nails and bits of shingles that fall down to make it easier to clean up after.

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« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2014, 11:20:47 PM »
Well in your climate, if you're replacing a simple low-pitch roof, it shouldn't cost too much. Even the worst of asphalt shingles (15-20 year 3-tab) should last 15-20 years there. So a bigger question would be why do you want to replace the roof so soon? Why take something at half or less of its service life and replace it? Not very cost effective, even if you don't like the current one.

I've only done asphalt roofs. If you're interested in doing your own roof, Family Handyman magazine is a good place to start. You're going to need help, even in simple roofs. Unless you're trying to be extra manly, if your lot is situated for it, get the shingles boomed to the roof and spread them out. I don't care what anyone else says - never do an overlay. You won't be able to address/evaulate any underlying structural issues (rotten sheathing) and the new shingles will lose at least 5 years of their life immediately. Take the time to strip properly.

Talk to building inspectors in your area - they can give you an a better idea of the code for ice & water shield for your locale, as well as the price per square going rate (I hesitate to generalize because this is a huge country with a lot of variation). Time depends on your size of crew and difficultly (pitch & height in your case) and what tools you're using (compressors w/nail gun or elbow grease/hammer). If you are going the manly route, the elbow grease & hammer is better (less chance of shingles blowing off because of misplaced, over/undershot nails, etc.), but you're be unlikely to find many roofers doing it that way nowadays (there are old-school hard-core guys in my area that still do).


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Re: Roofing job, DIY?
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2014, 09:31:46 AM »
Piece of cake!

If the pitch of your roof is 4 in 12 or greater then you will probably only need a single layer of 15lb tar paper unless your local code calls for anything extra.

Remember to replace all the roof jacks and vents while your at it as these are cheap.

Also, if your plumbing vent pipes are ABS plastic (black plastic usually) I would take the opportunity of sawing these off from under the roof and glue a new part in that is above the roof. The reason being is that the Ultraviolet rays in sunlight will degrade the plastic making it brittle. The only problem will be that some of the roof vents will most likely be in the outside walls and therefore not accessible from underneath.

In this case I would cut a a section of roof sheathing out around the vent pipe with a skillsaw, cut the pipe and glue in a new section so that the joint is slightly below the roof sheathing and replace the section of sheathing.

Its very easy to do when the roof is not there at least... That is cut to the next joist.. when replacing nail a length of 2*4 next to the joist on each side.

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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2014, 01:14:20 PM »
I did my own metal roof (10/12 pitch) and added it to my services as a design/build professional.  As others have said, your roof should be good for another 10 years at least.  Metal is so much easier than comp I'd recommend it over comp any day.

In your case the tear-off of the old roof(s) will be the hard part.  Although sometimes allowed, I would never ever re-roof over and old roof.
« Last Edit: May 06, 2014, 09:17:08 AM by Greg »

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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2014, 07:56:34 AM »
Another way of getting the pneumatic nail gun is to buy a good one then sell it afterwards as "used on one roof." I got 80% percent of my money back and wasn't rushing to beat the rental store deadlines.

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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2014, 09:31:12 AM »
I did my own metal roof (10/12 pitch) and added it to my services as a design/build professional.  As others have said, your roof should be good for another 10 years at least.  Metal is so much easier than comp I'd recommend it over comp any day.

In your case the tear-off of the old roof(s) will be the hard part.  Although sometimes allowed, I would never ever re-roof over and old roof.

Mine is the same... and I can barely move around on it.  How did you manage that without rolling off?  I know the guys that did mine originally did it with absolutely no harness and no roofing brackets -- but geez.... I have to scoot up on my ass to hang christmas lights or clean chimneys/gutters.

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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2014, 03:01:10 PM »
Mine is the same... and I can barely move around on it.  How did you manage that without rolling off?

I used a combination of ladder hooks to hold a ladder section flat on the slope and hooked over the ridge, and a fall arrest harness for safety.  My sneakers (Converse All-Star high tops) allowed a good amount of grip but it was still fatiguing.  Using a synthetic underlayment also helped.  I installed 2 D-ring anchor points attached to the framing on each side, for installation and for future safety.

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« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2014, 03:31:56 PM »
When they deliver shingles make sure they don't stack them on the peaks.  Doing this can crack/bend them which isn't good for them.  The last time they did it to me I ran up there and re-adjusted them to prevent damage.

Also vice cutting off the PVC vents a friend taught me to just wrap the old vents in electrical tape which minimizes further damage from UV.

My vote is do it if you can find a friend that has done it before.  Or hire a helper that has done it before.  Makes it far easier if you have some experience on the job.

And watch the weather carefully!!  Do you need plywood replaced?  Don't get in a situation without felt with rain coming down...

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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2014, 11:41:26 PM »
Thanks for all the helpful and encouraging replies, I need just to decide to go with metal or composite shingles and get it done. If anyone is located near the Los Angeles/Orange County area that have some roofing experience and would like to help, shoot me a line. I'll be sure to compensate you for your knowledge and service.

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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2014, 12:24:38 AM »
Shingles aren't hard.  YouTube will teach you everything you'll need to know.

Without a bunch of valleys and peaks, metal should be easy, too.

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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2014, 05:27:04 AM »
Having been involved in helping other people do roof work before, I'd like to add that you should budget more time than you expect.  It's a relatively simple process, but it will suck up a LOT more time than you expect.

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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2014, 06:06:00 AM »
youtube!

also: i would highly recommend switching to metal for ease of installation, and also for longevity.  As the guys on the car project forums say "if you're doing the work don't skimp on materials...you've already given yourself the biggest discount possible: free labor!"

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« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2014, 06:44:45 AM »
I'd recommend a synthetic underlayment.

The most important thing with asphalt shingles is knowing where and how many nails to give each shingle. Architectural shingles are easier than the old 3 tab ones, but snapping chalk lines can help keep you from going cockeyed.

Make sure to read up on proper venting. My 1948 ranch needed soffit vents and ridge vents put in to maximize the lifespan of the roof. Beforehand all it had was a single gable vent on one side - which meant the shingles would fail quite early.

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« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2014, 09:38:05 AM »
Did my house (2 story in MI.) about 12 years ago. 

I'd definitely recommend doing it yourself.   Buy (or borrow) one decent book on roofing.   Read it over a few times so you're sure what you're doing.    I hate to put down any trade, but roofing is about as simple as it gets as far as understanding what to do; it's just a lot of dirty filthy brute work.      You'll save a lot of $

I used the traditional 3 tab flat asphalt shingle, as this was the cheapest and I bought at HD.    I didn't have them delivered, nor did I have them placed on my roof by a boom truck.   I just carried each bundle on my shoulder up the ladder.   

I sued snow/ice shield but again I live in Mich.   Not sure you need it in Cali.   

If you use 3 tab flat (non-architectural) shingles, you can save a lot of headache by not trying to have the spaces between tabs "line up".    You do that by cutting off a portion of your shingle on the first course (first upside right course, so really 2nd course)     For example, but off one tab (e.g. 1/3 of the shingle) then install full shingles to the other end of the roof.  (The last one will probably have to be trimmed as well)  The next course can start with a full shingle.   The next starts with another cut off, and so on.    It gives a little bit of the look of architectural shingles and avoids all the problem of having the tabs line up.   IMO it looks much better.   

Of course you still have to be concerned with spacing from the eave or previous course of shingles.   Most people do this with a chalk line, which is fine.   I made a small wood block of the correct size and held it to the eave, or prior course when installing the next  course. 

I also didn't use a nail gun, preferring to hammer each nail by hand, but that's just me, I like to work slowly and patiently and hammers cost a lot less than pneumatic nailers. 

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« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2014, 12:15:18 PM »
Did my house (2 story in MI.) about 12 years ago. 

I'd definitely recommend doing it yourself.   Buy (or borrow) one decent book on roofing.   Read it over a few times so you're sure what you're doing.    I hate to put down any trade, but roofing is about as simple as it gets as far as understanding what to do; it's just a lot of dirty filthy brute work.      You'll save a lot of $

I used the traditional 3 tab flat asphalt shingle, as this was the cheapest and I bought at HD.    I didn't have them delivered, nor did I have them placed on my roof by a boom truck.   I just carried each bundle on my shoulder up the ladder.   

I sued snow/ice shield but again I live in Mich.   Not sure you need it in Cali.   

If you use 3 tab flat (non-architectural) shingles, you can save a lot of headache by not trying to have the spaces between tabs "line up".    You do that by cutting off a portion of your shingle on the first course (first upside right course, so really 2nd course)     For example, but off one tab (e.g. 1/3 of the shingle) then install full shingles to the other end of the roof.  (The last one will probably have to be trimmed as well)  The next course can start with a full shingle.   The next starts with another cut off, and so on.    It gives a little bit of the look of architectural shingles and avoids all the problem of having the tabs line up.   IMO it looks much better.   

Of course you still have to be concerned with spacing from the eave or previous course of shingles.   Most people do this with a chalk line, which is fine.   I made a small wood block of the correct size and held it to the eave, or prior course when installing the next  course. 

I also didn't use a nail gun, preferring to hammer each nail by hand, but that's just me, I like to work slowly and patiently and hammers cost a lot less than pneumatic nailers.

I would seriously hope that the idea of carrying bundles of shingles up a ladder is the  last thing anybody would do. They are brutally heavy and while, yes you can do it I would argue its a false economy and what more is dangerous.

I had to carry down three bundles after i finished my roof and I was seriously concerned that my weight plus the bundle of shingles on my shoulder might actually break the ladder!

In fact I have a friend who could get me a deal on the shingles (about 1/3rd the price but I had to haul and carry them up myself).. If it wasn't for the fact I could put them up on the rook with my tractor loader I simply wouldn't have done it, and had the local Home depot boom truck them up on the roof.

As for hand nailing I would suggest the job will take about 3 times longer.. But at least its safe except for a few fingers you will hammer.

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« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2014, 12:59:02 PM »

I would seriously hope that the idea of carrying bundles of shingles up a ladder is the  last thing anybody would do. They are brutally heavy and while, yes you can do it I would argue its a false economy and what more is dangerous.


I my brother-in-law's house (some 30+ years ago) where we carried them all to the roof and nailed them all on with hammers.  It was a big damn job.  I'd definitely do it differently today... but we were trying to save money and labor in this case seemed cheap.  (For him, it was "beer".)

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« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2014, 02:52:58 PM »

I would seriously hope that the idea of carrying bundles of shingles up a ladder is the  last thing anybody would do. They are brutally heavy and while, yes you can do it I would argue its a false economy and what more is dangerous.


I my brother-in-law's house (some 30+ years ago) where we carried them all to the roof and nailed them all on with hammers.  It was a big damn job.  I'd definitely do it differently today... but we were trying to save money and labor in this case seemed cheap.  (For him, it was "beer".)
My best friend and I did roofs in high school for the neighbors.  Yes, we carried the bundles up the ladder and nailed by hand.  Did everything from T-Lock to regular shingles that summer.  Good training for a football player...:)

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« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2014, 07:59:10 PM »
When I did my own asphalt shingle roof (with no experience), I advertised on craigslist for someone with experience to help me and show me the ropes.  I found someone good and it worked out well (took 2 days and I think I paid him $15/hour) and saved a ton of money and learned something as well. 

We hauled shingles up the ladder - it was heavy, but I don't think we were taking any big chances with our life.  Good luck!

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« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2014, 11:53:33 PM »
It's easy to throw shingles up to a scaffold, then lift them up to he roof.  With scaffolds selling for $150ish, using one is a cheap way to keep from lugging shingles up a ladder.  When you're done, you can sell the scaffold for $100 on craigslist.

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« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2014, 07:46:12 AM »
We hauled shingles up the ladder - it was heavy, but I don't think we were taking any big chances with our life.  Good luck!

Make sure you check the weight ratings on the ladder.  Some of them are ridiculously low.  I'm only average size (6'2", 215lbs), but it's hard to find a ladder rated for even just my weight, nevermind the weight of the shingles I'd be carrying.

Those are jobs I hire out (either partly, or sometimes completely) for safety.

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« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2014, 08:36:08 AM »
Good point about ladder loading.