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Calvin

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Replacing a Drop-In Kitchen Sink
« on: May 06, 2024, 06:08:14 AM »
Hi all,

I’m a relative newbie with DIY. I’ve replaced toilet flaps and minor fixes/repairs, but nothing major.

I’d like to replace a drop-in sink and faucet for my kitchen. I’ve looked at a few YouTube videos and it seems fairly straightforward. I attached some pictures. I’m looking at one of the two options below:

https://www.homedepot.com/p/KOHLER-Cursiva-18-ga-Stainless-Steel-33-in-Single-Bowl-Drop-In-or-Undermount-Kitchen-Sink-with-Faucet-K-RH28174-1PC-NA/317722268#overlay

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Glacier-Bay-33-in-Drop-In-Single-Bowl-18-Gauge-Stainless-Steel-Kitchen-Sink-with-Pull-Down-Faucet-VT3322D1/323933596#overlay

I’m planning to get rid of the garbage disposal and not replace it. I don’t really use it as it is. The water supply is PEX and the valves are pretty new. The waste drain (PVC) was replaced about four years ago, so that’s pretty new.

I have a couple questions:

* What should I get for a “drain kit”? Or what do I need to connect the sink to the waste drain and to the dishwasher? Should I replace the p-trap and such? I saw this:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Oatey-1-1-2-in-x-8-1-4-in-Plastic-Slip-Joint-Sink-Drain-Tailpiece-with-High-Line-Branch-HDC9818/316622011

* I’ll need plumber’s putty to connect the drain to the sink basin, correct?

* Any special tools I need or things I should watch out for to make sure it goes smoothly?

Also, if you have any favorite resources for how to learn how to do a project like this, please let me know! Right now, I’m just using the Googles and YouTube.

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Re: Replacing a Drop-In Kitchen Sink
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2024, 07:21:48 AM »
Starting with the underside, since you are switching to a single bowl some of your fittings will not line up anymore, or they might be cut too short, so you might want to start with a new kit. You might find all of this in one kit, but often you need to buy additional extensions., etc.
If the sink doesn't come with one you'll need a basket strainer, this is the part you apply putty to the underside of the strainer and put the washers on the underside of the sink and then tighten the big nut while holding the strainer from moving. Make sure the putty isn't cold and hard, room temperature and soft is what you want. Roll it into long strings and pack it around the strainer, excess will squeeze out. You can install this before you install the sink or after. If I'm working by myself I do it before as it's hard to tighten the nut underneath while holding a big screwdriver in the top of the strainer from above.
The tailpiece attaches to the bottom of the strainer, you can get a long one with a dishwasher attachment.
Next is the p trap, then the waste arm which terminates in the wall, or in your case, the glued fitting that drops down into the floor. You'll need to cut these as needed to fit your application, but be careful not to cut them too short.
Pay attention because some of these pieces use different washers.
I think the white plastic is easier  to install than chrome, but watch it closely for 2-3 days after because sometimes a leak will show up late. I don't use any flex pipe because I don't think it works as well.

Now to the top. Your existing ss sink is held down by little screw clamps on the underside that put pressure against the bottom of the countertop material, so remove them and pay attention to where they where and how they work. I like a headlamp to keep your hands free, and you have to be a contortionist laying on your back under there so clean everything out first.
There should also be some type of sealant between the bottom of the sink flange and the top of the countertop and this can be a pita to break free without damaging the countertop. Most likely it will be clear silicone. Use a combination of a sharp utility knife and a thin pry bar to coax it up, carefully. Put thin wood or equivalent material under the fulcrum of the pry bar as needed to protect the countertop.

Now the most important part, last. The cutout for your new sink needs to be the same size (or slightly larger) as your existing sink. The new sink will come with a paper pattern that you cut out and place on the countertop and trace the cut lines onto the countertop. Obviously you have a big hole in the counter already so ideally the cut out is exactly the same size, but it may not be. You should be able to tell if it's going to work before you start by measuring the dimensions across the top flanges of both sinks.
If you have to cut the countertop use a jigsaw and put blue tape on the countertop then trace your cut lines on the blue tape.

Hopefully you don't have to cut the countertop. When it comes to the install of the sink, I like the small squeeze tubes of sealant vs a caulking gun size.

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Re: Replacing a Drop-In Kitchen Sink
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2024, 07:37:12 AM »
Wow, your sink really sucks!  I certainly understand why you want to replace it.

Regarding plumber's putty, I'm an advocate for silicone instead.  As for your choice in sinks, I would prefer the one with more rounded corners as it would be much easier to clean.  I also really like drains that have a deep strainer basket, like this-- https://www.homedepot.com/p/Golden-Vantage-3-5-in-Stainless-Steel-Kitchen-Sink-Drain-Assembly-with-Deep-Strainer-Basket-KS0073S/324174831

Since your countertop is granite tile, you might need longer bolts for attaching the sink from underneath.  There is the standard length, which might be included with the sink, and there is an extra long version you should be able to buy at Home Depot, meant for thicker counters. 

I would reuse any plastic plumbing drain pieces you can, but as mentioned, the new sink has a different setup under the sink.

Now the most important part, last. The cutout for your new sink needs to be the same size (or slightly larger) as your existing sink. The new sink will come with a paper pattern that you cut out and place on the countertop and trace the cut lines onto the countertop. Obviously you have a big hole in the counter already so ideally the cut out is exactly the same size, but it may not be. You should be able to tell if it's going to work before you start by measuring the dimensions across the top flanges of both sinks.
If you have to cut the countertop use a jigsaw and put blue tape on the countertop then trace your cut lines on the blue tape.

You probably don't have the skillset or tools to try cutting through your particular countertop.  Definitely make sure the inside and outside dimensions of the sink you want will fit the current setup.  Take measurements of your current sink and take a look under the cabinet to see how much gap there is between the sides of the sink and the edge of the countertop.

edited to add--- I'm looking closer at your photos.  I hope you shut off power to the disposal at the circuit breaker box.  That's a scary connection.  Wire nuts facing down so water could collect inside (the connection should be inside the disposal anyway)  and ground wire just hanging free.  Also, you don't have a natural vent for your plumbing.  I don't know much about them, but from what I understand, they can get clogged up with time and stop sealing.  You might want to replace that while working on everything else.
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Re: Replacing a Drop-In Kitchen Sink
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2024, 10:29:27 AM »
Thanks Uniwelder and sonofsven!

That's all very helpful. I'm going to make sure the cutout is the same size (I believe it is) because I don't want to mess with that. The mounting clips clip to particle board on the underside, so I won't need to mount it to granite directly.

The current fittings do have a mini air vent, for what that's worth. The waste drain flows down and joins with the basement utility sink which I believe is vented. Occasionally I do hear some gurgling in the kitchen sink when I run the washer in the basement. So, maybe I need to get that checked out more and/or use a plumbing auger where the basement utility sink is.

Also, the power is off at the breaker box for the disposal. I agree, that's not a good connection as it is.

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Re: Replacing a Drop-In Kitchen Sink
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2024, 11:32:23 AM »
For the clips, it's not about what material the sink is being mounted to, but the thickness.  A formica top is only 3/4" thick in the middle, but your's might be 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 inches because there's plywood/particboard, then maybe cement board, then granite tile.  Those bolts aren't very long, which is very annoying, so they might not reach in your case.

I was talking about the air vent (air admittance valve seems to the official term) previously, but didn't explain myself well.  If you hear gurgling, then it's not working properly.  From what I understand, its pretty common for them to foul up.

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Re: Replacing a Drop-In Kitchen Sink
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2024, 08:15:41 AM »
Because you won't have a garbage disposal anymore (we took ours out as well), you can do a high loop with the dishwasher drain line if your local code allows it.

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Re: Replacing a Drop-In Kitchen Sink
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2024, 09:32:34 PM »
I'm jealous. I want to replace my drop-in sink but I can't find the right size.  It is too large (38").  Granite counter so not easy to vary the size.

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Re: Replacing a Drop-In Kitchen Sink
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2024, 04:44:51 PM »
Hitting a snag. The opening in the counter is exactly 32" x 21". It seems like every sink has a 32 3/8" x 21 3/8" or a 32 1/2" x 21 1/2"cutout template.

My guess is that standard dimensions have changed since that old sink.

How difficult would it be to cut the granite out? They're granite tiles, not super-thick, just under 1/2" thick on wood.

I can easily borrow an angle grinder or something from my community tool shed: https://seactoolshed.org/

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Re: Replacing a Drop-In Kitchen Sink
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2024, 05:07:13 PM »
An angle grinder with segmented diamond cutting wheel should do it.  I've cut solid granite, but not tiles on wood.  There might be some concern about the vibration shaking its bond loose from the wood, but I don't really know.  Is there any cement board sandwiched between, or is the granite directly on top of the plywood?  I would assume you'd probably want to cut only through the granite (and cement board if it exists), but not the wood.  You could come back afterward and use a jigsaw for the plywood.

Its also possible that the dimensions given for the template are a bit generous (1/4" clearance around each side) and you already have enough room, though likely barely.

If you do cut with the angle grinder, there will be tons of dust.  You'll want to tape plastic all the way around to contain it all and wear a face mask and goggles while inside your enclosure.

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Re: Replacing a Drop-In Kitchen Sink
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2024, 08:45:03 AM »
I got the sink and am making good progress. It's CLOSE but the grooves for the clips are catching at a couple spots. This afternoon I'm going to bend them a little to get it to fit. I'm pretty sure it should work.

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Re: Replacing a Drop-In Kitchen Sink
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2024, 10:57:48 AM »
Whoops! Too late to help you, but I'll add this for anyone else who might be interested in the question.  When you asked, we were in Colorado, doing the same thing in our kid's new house. We bought this one at Costco, plus a slimline 1.25hp disposal for $79.99.

https://www.costco.com/kohler-pro-function-kitchen-sink-kit---with-vibrant-stainless-or-matte-black-faucet.product.4000111286.html

The sink is $20 less in-warehouse, but all stainless is the only option. It looks great.

DH also had to increase the sink opening, but the existing coutertops are formica (for now, lol), so no big deal.

The volume increase from two tiny bowls to one big one is dramatic and really improves the functionality,  as you now well know 😉.

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!