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PV solar - has anyone done laminate strip panels on metal roofs?
« on: December 18, 2016, 10:16:57 AM »
We're in need of a roof replacement, so it seems like the perfect time to put solar up there too. I've seen systems where, instead of heavy panels that have to be mounted on the roof, you put down a flexible sheet of PV cells with adhesive backing, so your solar panels are like giant laminate stickers. Sure, it's not as effective as traditional panels, but it looks like a cheap and easy solution, especially for metal roofs.

Problem is, I can't find a lot of information online. One manufacturer (Unisolar) doesn't list the laminate on their website, although their product shows up on Amazon. Another manufacturer (MiaSole) doesn't sell direct and their California dealer doesn't list them on their website at all. I find people talking about PV laminate in general, but I can't find a lot of details about installing it, making it work, or even how well it works at all.

Has anyone done it for their house? Is there any place I can go to get more details?

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Re: PV solar - has anyone done laminate strip panels on metal roofs?
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2016, 10:28:39 AM »
Why dont you get the solar roof from Solar City?

http://www.solarcity.com/residential/solar-roof


It looks like a regular roof. Please do watch Elon Musk's video on the same page.

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Re: PV solar - has anyone done laminate strip panels on metal roofs?
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2016, 10:43:49 AM »
Why dont you get the solar roof from Solar City?

http://www.solarcity.com/residential/solar-roof

It looks like a regular roof. Please do watch Elon Musk's video on the same page.

We're on their waitlist (since it's not out yet), but getting on said waitlist soured us a bit on the company. My husband gave them his number, and starting the next day he started getting 2-3 calls, EVERY DAY, from solar companies. Not just SolarCity, but also those scammy companies that pretend to be the power company in order get your info just to sell your contact to a solar installer. Either SolarCity sold his phone number or they have a serious leak somewhere in their company, but either way we're not thrilled about handing them a chunk of money any more.

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Re: PV solar - has anyone done laminate strip panels on metal roofs?
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2016, 12:45:29 PM »
Why dont you get the solar roof from Solar City?

http://www.solarcity.com/residential/solar-roof

It looks like a regular roof. Please do watch Elon Musk's video on the same page.

We're on their waitlist (since it's not out yet), but getting on said waitlist soured us a bit on the company. My husband gave them his number, and starting the next day he started getting 2-3 calls, EVERY DAY, from solar companies. Not just SolarCity, but also those scammy companies that pretend to be the power company in order get your info just to sell your contact to a solar installer. Either SolarCity sold his phone number or they have a serious leak somewhere in their company, but either way we're not thrilled about handing them a chunk of money any more.

Oh wow... that would suck.

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Re: PV solar - has anyone done laminate strip panels on metal roofs?
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2016, 11:32:19 AM »
Please update us as you figure this out mouse - It may be a worthwhile investment on our roof as well.

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Re: PV solar - has anyone done laminate strip panels on metal roofs?
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2016, 11:40:50 AM »
Following - this was part of our original house plan but hasn't happened yet.

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Re: PV solar - has anyone done laminate strip panels on metal roofs?
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2016, 08:24:20 PM »
We're in need of a roof replacement, so it seems like the perfect time to put solar up there too. I've seen systems where, instead of heavy panels that have to be mounted on the roof, you put down a flexible sheet of PV cells with adhesive backing, so your solar panels are like giant laminate stickers. Sure, it's not as effective as traditional panels, but it looks like a cheap and easy solution, especially for metal roofs.

The common term for that type of solar is "thin film" - it's flexible, often adhesive backed, and designed for that type of use.

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Problem is, I can't find a lot of information online. One manufacturer (Unisolar) doesn't list the laminate on their website, although their product shows up on Amazon. Another manufacturer (MiaSole) doesn't sell direct and their California dealer doesn't list them on their website at all. I find people talking about PV laminate in general, but I can't find a lot of details about installing it, making it work, or even how well it works at all.

The efficiency is poor, the additional thermal load into the roof (vs elevated panels, which shade the roof and rather significantly reduce thermal flux) are annoying, and the longevity is questionable.  They may perform better in cloudy conditions, though I think normal panels are getting better there.

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Has anyone done it for their house? Is there any place I can go to get more details?

Search for thin film and you'll get plenty of data.  I'll simply say that it's not a common system, and I believe there are solid technical reasons why.

Why dont you get the solar roof from Solar City?

It looks like a regular roof. Please do watch Elon Musk's video on the same page.

Well, if someone is considering a metal roof, probably because their house isn't laid out for shingles, and may or may not have the attic space needed for doing something like that.

And, more importantly, because "Gee whizz wowie!" factor is not, normally, a good reason to go with something.

How much does the roof cost?  Dunno, Elon won't say.  He'll offer some handwaving comparisons to really expensive roofing, though!

How much power does it generate per unit area?  Dunno, Elon won't say.

How do you install it, how do they hook together, and what does the whole system look like?  Dunno either!

Given the massive number of "blank spots" in the data sheet (which is to say, basically all of them, except what it looks like), how on earth can you actually recommend someone look at that nonsense?

I can give you data on regular panels and mounting.  I can tell you how they interface.  I can give you a system cost for such a thing.

Solar Roof?  Oh... yeah.  "Dunno!"

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Re: PV solar - has anyone done laminate strip panels on metal roofs?
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2016, 04:58:54 AM »
Given the massive number of "blank spots" in the data sheet (which is to say, basically all of them, except what it looks like) *

Solar Roof?  Oh... yeah.  "Dunno!"

* - insert artist rendering. :D

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Re: PV solar - has anyone done laminate strip panels on metal roofs?
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2016, 05:21:32 AM »
SolarCity is pretty skeezy. Apparently my perfectly situated roof won't support panels anyways, though, so I remain interested in the solar roof thing.

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Re: PV solar - has anyone done laminate strip panels on metal roofs?
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2016, 05:38:31 AM »
The laminate interests me because I have a flat roofed 2-car garage with a rubber roof. Trouble is that the garage is of questionable integrity, and on the north side of the house. If enough hours offer daylight to make this worthwhile as a way to offset operating costs for coil heat in the floor I would get tingly feelings. I would only be interested though if the panels could be salvaged and reapplied when the garage gets reconstructed in a few years.

Looking at the laminates though, I think they are glued down, and I doubt they can be re-used.

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Re: PV solar - has anyone done laminate strip panels on metal roofs?
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2016, 09:21:00 AM »
SolarCity is pretty skeezy. Apparently my perfectly situated roof won't support panels anyways, though, so I remain interested in the solar roof thing.

If it won't support panels, it probably won't support the glass solar roof tiles - they're apparently about as heavy as the heaviest roofing you can normally get - slate or tile.  How heavy exactly?  Dunno!

You'd probably be looking at having to redesign the roof, which may require structural reinforcement elsewhere in the house.  So... if you can't do panels, you probably can't do rooftop solar, period.

The laminate interests me because I have a flat roofed 2-car garage with a rubber roof. Trouble is that the garage is of questionable integrity, and on the north side of the house. If enough hours offer daylight to make this worthwhile as a way to offset operating costs for coil heat in the floor I would get tingly feelings. I would only be interested though if the panels could be salvaged and reapplied when the garage gets reconstructed in a few years.

Looking at the laminates though, I think they are glued down, and I doubt they can be re-used.

I don't believe they can be reused easily.

Is it electrical coil heat, or cooling loop?  If you want heat, solar thermal is a radically better way of doing it than PV.

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Re: PV solar - has anyone done laminate strip panels on metal roofs?
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2016, 09:33:13 AM »
My company does lots of metal roofing.  A few years ago the film solar material was being promoted as "the next big thing" but I don't think it really ever panned out.
I don't see much info about it in the trade publications anymore.

If you have yard space, I would suggest stand alone solar panels rather than roof mounted.  This will make them easier to access for maintenance and cleaning, and will make it much easier to repair or replace your roof in the event that is ever needed.  A good rule of thumb is "the less junk on the roof the better" to avoid leaks and problems.

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Re: PV solar - has anyone done laminate strip panels on metal roofs?
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2016, 08:56:08 AM »
The efficiency is poor, the additional thermal load into the roof (vs elevated panels, which shade the roof and rather significantly reduce thermal flux) are annoying, and the longevity is questionable.  They may perform better in cloudy conditions, though I think normal panels are getting better there.

Thank you! This is exactly what I was looking for! If this isn't an objectively good solution, that's what I wanted to know.

If you have yard space, I would suggest stand alone solar panels rather than roof mounted.  This will make them easier to access for maintenance and cleaning, and will make it much easier to repair or replace your roof in the event that is ever needed.  A good rule of thumb is "the less junk on the roof the better" to avoid leaks and problems.

... I didn't even think about that. That sounds ridiculous to admit, right? I've seen non-roof solar elsewhere, so it seems obvious in hindsight, but my brain had forged a single connection: home solar = rooftop system.

As it turns out, we DO have some backyard space that isn't very big, but it gets blasted with sun year-round. Time to visit a local company (with great reviews that specialized in DIY kits) to check out a ground-mount solar system. (Note to other homeowners, that's apparently what it's called.)

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Re: PV solar - has anyone done laminate strip panels on metal roofs?
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2016, 09:07:34 AM »
If you have yard space, I would suggest stand alone solar panels rather than roof mounted.  This will make them easier to access for maintenance and cleaning, and will make it much easier to repair or replace your roof in the event that is ever needed.  A good rule of thumb is "the less junk on the roof the better" to avoid leaks and problems.

... I didn't even think about that. That sounds ridiculous to admit, right? I've seen non-roof solar elsewhere, so it seems obvious in hindsight, but my brain had forged a single connection: home solar = rooftop system.

As it turns out, we DO have some backyard space that isn't very big, but it gets blasted with sun year-round. Time to visit a local company (with great reviews that specialized in DIY kits) to check out a ground-mount solar system. (Note to other homeowners, that's apparently what it's called.)

Make sure you check with your township before you go down this path. The NIMBY folks may have rules against this!

 

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