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Making an "Energy Net Zero" Home
« on: May 07, 2014, 06:03:28 AM »
Morning All,

After reading the article by MMM about creating a home that uses essentially zero heat, I was wondering if anyone had any special tips for making a completely "energy net zero" home.

My wife and I just bought our first home, and we're hitting the ground running with a natural gas conversion, a new boiler, a super efficient tankless hot water heater, an extra foot of blown insulation in the attic, and an attic whole house exhaust fan that rated to do a house twice our size.

Now the house is old (built in 1880) but that's part of its charm. nonetheless, I'd like to think of ways I can slowly make the entire house "energy net zero" meaning adding solar panels for electric, solar hot water system, and probably increasing the R value of the exterior walls as well.

Has anyone here done this? whats the payback schedule you expect from it? are you glad you did it?

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Re: Making an "Energy Net Zero" Home
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2014, 06:09:04 AM »
Good goal.

Could your boiler and hot water heater be integrated? 

Not an expert, but oversizing a whole house fan seems like a bad idea.

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Re: Making an "Energy Net Zero" Home
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2014, 06:25:12 AM »
Good goal.

Could your boiler and hot water heater be integrated? 

Not an expert, but oversizing a whole house fan seems like a bad idea.

Yeah, with the whole house fan I just figured it would last longer (sturdier parts) and would more effectively cool the house before bed time.

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Re: Making an "Energy Net Zero" Home
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2014, 06:35:22 AM »
Why stop at zero?

I know a couple of friends (a few decades older than me) who are total badasses. They own a house on a river, and just finished building a water turbine which will generate 15kW of power, day and night, for many years to come. (They also have solar panels.) They will sell the energy back to the grid for almost £100/day due to green energy subsidies.

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Re: Making an "Energy Net Zero" Home
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2014, 07:21:30 AM »
FYI, I had an estimate for adding cellulose insulation to the attic from a contractor through our energy companies.  They indicated that for our ranch house all pot lights needed to have a dry wall box built for each one and all exhaust fans needed to be vented through the roof.  Also, need to be careful not to fill soffits and avoid wind through the soffits blowing the insulation.

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Re: Making an "Energy Net Zero" Home
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2014, 07:58:54 AM »
Wafreak: definitely a thought as well. Once my garage is built (more roof space) a larger array of solar panels might be in my future.

AJ_Yooper: I already have about 6 inches of cellulose in the attic, my fall/winter project will be to raise the floor about a foot and add a TON more. I'm already planning on setting up a vent system for the whole house fan to go directly outside.

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Re: Making an "Energy Net Zero" Home
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2014, 07:54:57 PM »
FYI, I had an estimate for adding cellulose insulation to the attic from a contractor through our energy companies.  They indicated that for our ranch house all pot lights needed to have a dry wall box built for each one and all exhaust fans needed to be vented through the roof.  Also, need to be careful not to fill soffits and avoid wind through the soffits blowing the insulation.

 I'm a long time electrician, and builder. You have run into an interesting situation with your recessed lighting, based on dealing with your "energy company" which I'm guessing means your local utility. Many newer cans are both IC rated for direct contact with any insulation, AND labeled as airtight.

While discussing this with an installer for a large insulation/weather sealing contractor, I learned that this doesn't matter to them, and company policy demands a needless, energy wasting drywall fire stop box surrounding any existing recessed fixture. IMHO, it's just a CYA plan to protect the company, and prevent semi-skilled workers from creating a fire hazard. These same clowns also caulk with $1 a tube latex caulk that is totally worthless, has zero elasticity, and fails to adhere to many common materials. They do lots of sealing with silver foil duct tape, which falls off of many surfaces in short order. They are only required to reach 80% coverage when  blowing insulation in existing walls, as checked with a thermal camera, before the utility signs off on the job. The worker also admitted to me that much of the blower door testing they do ranges from sketchy, to flat out faked. This BTW, is a nation wide firm that does work for utilities.

I'm no fan of the drywall boxes in this application, it seems like a foolish way to create a big empty void in the insulation. I would rated confirm it they are IC rated, which typically is a label or stamping that's clearly visible when the trim is removed, or replace them with airtight  IC units. The other comments about fan venting and soffit ventilation are correct.

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Re: Making an "Energy Net Zero" Home
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2014, 08:12:26 PM »
paddedhat, for clarification, my 25 lights are older and replacing them is not too interesting at this time.  I did not do the insulation as the estimate was pretty high and my energy costs are in the lower range.


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Re: Making an "Energy Net Zero" Home
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2014, 08:32:59 AM »
paddedhat, for clarification, my 25 lights are older and replacing them is not too interesting at this time.  I did not do the insulation as the estimate was pretty high and my energy costs are in the lower range.
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Wow. that's a lot of cans. I can see the lack of desire to mess with them.  In this case, it might be a good idea to think about the sheetrock boxes, just to address air leakage. Older cans are a design disaster. They often offer several square inches of various slots, and holes in the sheet-metal housing for air to go whistling through. Adding to that is the chimney effect of the lamp heat drawing air into the enclosure and encouraging additional leakage.  Light boxes can be constructed easily with 1/2 sheetrock, some drywall adhesive, and drywall screws. Just neatly cut a five sided box. The glue holds it together, and the screws are installed very lightly with a hand screwdriver to keep it all together while the glue sets. Is just sits on the ceiling drywall, and I seal them in place with fire rated spray foam. They are very low cost as a DIY project, and you will see a noticeable difference in heating and cooling costs if you eliminate twenty five substantial sources of heat loss in your ceiling.

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Re: Making an "Energy Net Zero" Home
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2014, 09:24:25 AM »
Good suggestion, padded hat!  Thank you.

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Re: Making an "Energy Net Zero" Home
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2014, 04:33:16 PM »
paddedhat, for clarification, my 25 lights are older and replacing them is not too interesting at this time.  I did not do the insulation as the estimate was pretty high and my energy costs are in the lower range.
I got these fire rated things that look like witches hats (they are dark grey and flexible) to cover my downlights, and gave them to the insulation company to use. This was a few years ago now, they were brand new and they had to be imported to Australia, so I waited about a year before I got them (this is common here - I'm sure they would be available next day delivery in the US).

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Re: Making an "Energy Net Zero" Home
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2014, 04:37:42 PM »
There are a lot of net zero homes available now - there is even a world wide challenge for students that was won (last year?) by some students in Wollongong with a retrofitted old house - http://reneweconomy.com.au/2013/uni-wollongongs-prize-winning-zero-energy-fibro-house-10845
This may give you some ideas.


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Re: Making an "Energy Net Zero" Home
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2014, 04:45:57 PM »
Thanks, deborah!  Like witches in the attic, oh my!