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Setting up a garage with only an extension cord
« on: January 10, 2021, 10:06:18 AM »
My buddy is letting me use his detached garage for $50/month. It only has an extension cord for power. We live in a cold part of Canada. Is there anything I can buy for power/extra outlets? Some kind of generator? What about heating and light?

Also, the garage is insulated but still pretty cold. Is it safe to keep paint and stains, etc. In here?

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Re: Setting up a garage with only an extension cord
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2021, 03:45:55 PM »
My first question is what kind of extension cord (gauge), how long is the cord, and what size breaker is it on. Thinner extension cords and longer length add resistance/voltage drop and can increase amps (or practical purposes decrease the amps available to you). I can pop a 20 AMP breaker if my table saw bogs down on a 2 inch rip cut without an extension cord.

Regarding heat, I would go away from electric. It is going to be inefficient if you go the generator route (fuel to electricity plus waste heat and then to heat). If your power via extension cord is 120 volts and 20 amps that given you a total wattage of 2400 assuming none of the issues I mentioned above. The rule is you should only sustain 80% of that for an extended period of time; a basic space heater is ~1500 watts (my shop uninsulated garage workshop in Maine has a 6,000 watt heater and that only takes the edge off), that is well over half your total capacity and even more for your sustained load. I'd probably go with one of the indoor/construction site propane heaters given your limitations; there are other fuels you could turn to.

For lighting, LED lights draw so little power your budget will not notice them. I have a 10,000 lumen floor work light that draws 100 watts (I cannot currently find the brand online but here is a similar spec'ed item: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Husky-10000lm-Twin-Head-LED-Work-Light-with-Tripod-HD10000DPT/307939526) For a point of reference in terms of the old incandescent bulbs (google says) a 100w bulb was 1,600 lumens, so 6.25x's the output. There are plenty of smaller clamp on and hanging work lights as well. The brightness and the size are going to be determined by how what you are doing and how far away you placed the lights.

If your power via the extension cord is enough for your needs, either at first or long term, then you can add outlets as simply as a power strip.

For additional power, yes generators are an option. You can get them from relatively small up to power your whole town and in diesel, gasoline, propane, natural gas, and sometimes a combination a couple. If you go that route it will take a little math to figure out what you need based upon what you reasonably will be running at any one time; fuel will be determined by whatever you easily get locally. There are some battery options out there to provide AC power, but again you would have to do the math based on you anticipated needs to see if that makes sense; the batteries could charge when you are not there and discharge when you are.

As for paints and stains, without internal heat (for example when you are away for several days) an insulated garage will eventually freeze. For my shop I built a heated cabinet; it is your basic particle board cabinet that has been lined with rigid foam, then a temperature probe outlet control is installed, that controls a heat source inside the cabinet (in my case old-school a couple 60w incandescent bulbs) which keeps the temperature at 45*F.

Do you already have your tools, do you have a budget for tools? I have mostly corded tools, but they make some amazing battery tools today; I do not just mean drills and drivers, but palm routers and full sized miter/chop saws. They are more expensive than their corded kin, but if they fit your needs they may be less expensive than buying a generator. You could just leave the batteries charging when you are not there ... though you may need a way to charge multiple batteries at once and/or extra batteries to cycle through while you are working.

Basically there are options, they will take time and/or money. Ultimately it depends on what you are going to be doing and your needs and wants.

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Re: Setting up a garage with only an extension cord
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2021, 04:31:15 PM »
My buddy is letting me use his detached garage for $50/month. It only has an extension cord for power. We live in a cold part of Canada. Is there anything I can buy for power/extra outlets? Some kind of generator? What about heating and light?

Also, the garage is insulated but still pretty cold. Is it safe to keep paint and stains, etc. In here?
What are you using the garage for?

Paints and stains should be kept above freezing.


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Re: Setting up a garage with only an extension cord
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2021, 05:16:56 PM »
My buddy is letting me use his detached garage for $50/month. It only has an extension cord for power. We live in a cold part of Canada. Is there anything I can buy for power/extra outlets? Some kind of generator? What about heating and light?
As Budgetslasher said, large powertools like full-sized table saws or planers can easily trip a 120v circuit run through a long extension cord.  If that's all you've got, make sure it's a 12/3 or (better) a 10/3 cord (thicker wires have less resistence).  But for any real amount of power you will need a generator. 

Also, the garage is insulated but still pretty cold. Is it safe to keep paint and stains, etc. In here?
no, you cannot keep most paints anywhere that drops below freezing - it will permanently ruin them.  Some epoxies and solvent-based adhesives do not like getting anywhere close to freezing (e.g. keep above 40ºF / +5ºC.  Read the labels or search out specific temperature ratings from the manufacturer's website.  Surprisingly most wood glue, including TiteBond, can go through multiple freeze-thaw cycles with no apparent reduction in functionality, though the glue and the surfaces itself must be above a certain temperature when bonding.

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Re: Setting up a garage with only an extension cord
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2021, 06:25:24 AM »
If it's on a 15 amp circuit you'll likely have problems tripping the breaker, a 20 amp circuit might be ok.

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Re: Setting up a garage with only an extension cord
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2021, 06:38:31 AM »
A generator and propane space heater should help.

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Re: Setting up a garage with only an extension cord
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2021, 08:07:49 AM »
Spend some money and get a proper service and panel out there if you intend to use it for very long and control the temperature.

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Re: Setting up a garage with only an extension cord
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2021, 08:22:46 AM »
None of this stuff really matters much if all they’re doing is parking some boxes of crap out there.

OP needs to tell us what their use of the structure is.  Otherwise all we are doing is guessing and offering advice that may be useful or overkill and unnecessary use of funds for a rented space.


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Re: Setting up a garage with only an extension cord
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2021, 03:47:31 PM »
None of this stuff really matters much if all they’re doing is parking some boxes of crap out there.

OP needs to tell us what their use of the structure is.  Otherwise all we are doing is guessing and offering advice that may be useful or overkill and unnecessary use of funds for a rented space.


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Yeah, given how much better it will be with proper power it would be valuable to gauge whether this is going to be a short, mid, or long term arrangement.

Obviously not worth it to invest in your friend's garage for a short term arrangement but I could see negotiating a decreased rate in return for getting a breaker panel put in with 20amp service. Also I think that would allow for accurate accounting of your electricity use.

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Re: Setting up a garage with only an extension cord
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2021, 07:39:22 AM »
None of this stuff really matters much if all they’re doing is parking some boxes of crap out there.

OP needs to tell us what their use of the structure is.  Otherwise all we are doing is guessing and offering advice that may be useful or overkill and unnecessary use of funds for a rented space.


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Yeah, given how much better it will be with proper power it would be valuable to gauge whether this is going to be a short, mid, or long term arrangement.

Obviously not worth it to invest in your friend's garage for a short term arrangement but I could see negotiating a decreased rate in return for getting a breaker panel put in with 20amp service. Also I think that would allow for accurate accounting of your electricity use.

This same person was asking earlier about building or buying a 16 x 16 prefabricated small shop for a year round woodworking operation. I suspect that is what they have in mind. If that is indeed the case, I certainly wouldn't want to run one off an extension cord. At the bare minimum, I would trench in a line and put in at least three circuits in the garage, one for heat, one for tools and one for anything else that uses electricity while you are out there like lights, radios, etc.

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/do-it-yourself-forum!/order-of-operations-for-building-a-16x16-workshop/msg2758332/

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Re: Setting up a garage with only an extension cord
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2021, 12:02:41 PM »
None of this stuff really matters much if all they’re doing is parking some boxes of crap out there.

OP needs to tell us what their use of the structure is.  Otherwise all we are doing is guessing and offering advice that may be useful or overkill and unnecessary use of funds for a rented space.


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Yeah, given how much better it will be with proper power it would be valuable to gauge whether this is going to be a short, mid, or long term arrangement.

Obviously not worth it to invest in your friend's garage for a short term arrangement but I could see negotiating a decreased rate in return for getting a breaker panel put in with 20amp service. Also I think that would allow for accurate accounting of your electricity use.

This same person was asking earlier about building or buying a 16 x 16 prefabricated small shop for a year round woodworking operation. I suspect that is what they have in mind. If that is indeed the case, I certainly wouldn't want to run one off an extension cord. At the bare minimum, I would trench in a line and put in at least three circuits in the garage, one for heat, one for tools and one for anything else that uses electricity while you are out there like lights, radios, etc.

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/do-it-yourself-forum!/order-of-operations-for-building-a-16x16-workshop/msg2758332/
Ahh I remember that thread. Didn’t realize it was the same person.

Because this is a rental location, I would hesitate to drop big bucks on it.  I think I would treat it as a job site location.  Bring your battery tools, use the extension cord to run your table saw or circ, and buy a propane tank top radiant heater.  Plug in an LED shop light for extra light.  You can do a lot of work with that basic, cheap, set up.  I know I’ve done a lot off of a single extension cord and a 15amp circuit on site.  It’s not pretty, but when that’s your power, you get by. 

A workshop that is not. 


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Re: Setting up a garage with only an extension cord
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2021, 09:13:57 AM »
Thanks for the replies everyone - I've decided to just keep using the extension cord. It works to run a tablesaw in there and keep a light on. I've worked in there in -10 but I wouldn't go any colder. It's fine for the time being but I'm hoping to move to a house with a proper garage in the next couple years; so I'll use it as-is for the time and be thankful it's not outside or in my cramped basement ;).

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Re: Setting up a garage with only an extension cord
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2021, 09:44:22 AM »
Thanks for the replies everyone - I've decided to just keep using the extension cord. It works to run a tablesaw in there and keep a light on. I've worked in there in -10 but I wouldn't go any colder. It's fine for the time being but I'm hoping to move to a house with a proper garage in the next couple years; so I'll use it as-is for the time and be thankful it's not outside or in my cramped basement ;).

A little propane heater might be worthwhile - if the garage is insulated well, it won't take much to take the edge off.

 

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