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live MPG readout for more mustachian driving?
« on: March 09, 2015, 06:50:04 PM »
As we all know we should, I try to drive as little as possible, but when I do have to drive my car, I realize I have a bit of a lead foot so I know I'm not driving as efficiently as I could be. I came across this today on Amazon, was thinking of pairing it with an app for my phone to get real-time readouts of my MPG:

http://amzn.com/B00OMT6UEK

My last car had a live readout on the trip computer and I found my overall MPG went through the roof when I paid attention to it- it was almost like a game, competing with myself to see how well I could do just going through town! Anyone have any experience hooking up a the bluetooth OBD2 like this one? The app I'm thinking of pairing it with is called Torque: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.prowl.torquefree

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Re: live MPG readout for more mustachian driving?
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2015, 09:22:48 PM »
My dad has a prius that reads out the MPG live. I got 78 MPG on 33 mile trip the last time I drove it. I wasn't driving it super slow either but it definitely made me drive smarter.

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Re: live MPG readout for more mustachian driving?
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2015, 09:53:57 PM »
Most late model cars have this facility - six years old or less.

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Re: live MPG readout for more mustachian driving?
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2015, 07:17:56 AM »
My Honda Fit has one of those on the odometer. It affects my driving positively.

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Re: live MPG readout for more mustachian driving?
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2015, 08:22:58 AM »
Go to ecomodder.com. There's lots of cool OBDII set ups you can do. The guys on the site are crazy about mpg... Literally- crazy. Example:  Honda Civic Dx getting something like 70mpg... Lots of good reads there. Enjoy.

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Re: live MPG readout for more mustachian driving?
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2015, 08:49:20 AM »
I use a bluetooth OBDII scanner with the Torque Lite app on my phone. It works pretty well. Some things to keep in mind:
The power for the module comes from the OBDII port which, on my car, doesn't turn off when ignition is off. So if you leave the module plugged in and don't drive the car for a while it will drain down your battery.
The instantaneous fuel consumption readout in Torque is good for relative comparisons (i.e. I'm doing better now, worse now, etc.) but the accumulated fuel consumption generally under reads on my car. This is because OBDII equipped vehicles don't necessarily have an accurate fuel flow measurement, just pulse width of the fuel injectors. The actual amount of fuel going into the engine can vary with factors such as temperature, injector cleanliness, fuel pressure, etc.
The Torque app has an option to display a mirrored screen so you can put the phone on your dashboard and use it as a poor Head Up Display, but you need to have your phone plugged in otherwise the battery will drain down pretty quick.

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Re: live MPG readout for more mustachian driving?
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2015, 10:31:31 AM »
Thanks for the helpful info guys! I'll definitely be checking out ecomodder.com, although I don't think I'm going to get as into it as some of those guys. The info regarding power draw was quite helpful as well- my battery's about 4 months old so it shouldn't have any issues, but I do frequently leave my car for 5-7 days at a time without driving it, so I'd rather not take any chances. I looked around and found a different model for the same price that includes an on/off switch (http://amzn.com/B00EQ4KS6W), so I think I'll go with that one instead of having to plug/unplug it every time. I might also mess around with Tasker on my phone to send me a reminder to confirm that it's turned off if I haven't connected to the device in a few days...   

I'll report back once I've got it all hooked up!

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Re: live MPG readout for more mustachian driving?
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2015, 10:53:31 AM »
Keep us posted on how it works. I have a 2005 Suburban that I would like to track mpg like this.

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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2015, 11:06:12 AM »
There are also standalone devices (that don't require smartphones) that do this. I have a Scangauge II, which turns itself off when the car is off and has the ability to be calibrated when filling up the car so that the instant MPG readout is more accurate. It does cost more than a bluetooth ODBII + smartphone app though, assuming you already have the smartphone (at the time I bought my Scangauge, I was still using a dumbphone).

I think the folks at Ecomodder have also designed a DIY device (called "MPGuino") that might be interesting. I'll be looking into it myself, since I'm now driving a car that's so old it's not even ODBII-compatible.

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Re: live MPG readout for more mustachian driving?
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2015, 01:42:13 PM »
My '04 Insight has that.  I think it's a distraction, but I've quit looking at it so much.  I need to pay more attention to what's outside the car, in front of me.


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Re: live MPG readout for more mustachian driving?
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2015, 01:54:36 PM »
Ultragauge and Scangauge are good standalone devices with screens for this purpose, and will generally pay for themselves in changes to driving style.

I built an MPGuino a while back, but there isn't a whole lot of reason to do that over an Ultragauge unless you have a pre-OBDII (pre-1996) car.

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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2015, 07:08:36 PM »
Definitely helps my driving. The first car I had with it built in (only car that had it built in, actually) made me very sensitive to how I was driving. I'd say I drive much more conservatively now, even though our current car doesn't have it built in. I do use Torque and an OBDII bluetooth dongle sometimes.

It's just fascinating that the same car going the same journey in ROUGHLY the same manner can be 10-20+ more efficiently driven. And, honestly, in conjunction with everything else, horribly sad that more people don't do so. Though I guess it would, as with most things, just cause people to drive more, buy larger cars, and bitch about the price of fuel more..

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Re: live MPG readout for more mustachian driving?
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2015, 08:09:24 AM »
Keep us posted on how it works. I have a 2005 Suburban that I would like to track mpg like this.

As an owner of a lot of full size vehicles over the years, trying to figure out how to drive them efficiently has always been top priority.

1. Slow down. You're punching a big hole in the air. Your biggest enemy at highway speeds is drag. 60-62MPH is usually the sweet spot.
2. Accelerate slowly, like if you were pulling a heavy trailer. You have enough power to haul heavy, but that doesn't mean you need to use it all the time.
3. Keep the tires inflated to correct specs. They don't always have to be at the max (especially LT tires), but somewhere between 75-90% depending on ride quality/wear.
4. Tune it up before the 100k mile service interval. I like 50k miles but I spin my own wrenches. Sure, they'll usually run ok until then, but not optimally.
5. Synthetics rarely gain noticeable increases in economy. They can increase the longevity of components though.
6. Disconnect "cold air" routing in the winter. Cold air is more dense, dense air requires more fuel. I picked up .5MPG in the winter on a Ford V10 van doing this. I put it back in the spring.

Much else and your break even point is going to be years in the future.

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« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2015, 08:38:56 PM »
If you're more into an analog reading a vacuum gage performs the same function as a fancy OBDII mpg calculator. 

Less vacuum = throttle is more open = more fuel. 

More vacuum = closed throttle = less fuel.

This is a super useful feature to have in analog IMO, since you get quicker feedback than most of the digital OBDII calculators which update every few seconds or so.  You'll find yourself driving more efficiently up/down hills and see a difference when your drafting another vehicle just by trying to keep the vacuum level up.

You'll see a "fuel efficiency gage" if you rent a modern U-haul.  That is, in fact, a vacuum gage.

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Re: live MPG readout for more mustachian driving?
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2015, 08:55:11 PM »
The instantaneous mpg readout is almost useless. What I found useful is the trip mpg feature of the scangauge which shows you the total fuel used/miles for the current trip. With that I could see the average mpg on my commute every morning and it taught me how to drive for mpg.

BTW I learned that lots of throttle but low RPM is the best for mileage. I was getting 45 mpg with Toyota Yaris. Manual transmission of course. For highway driving go slow. Aerodynamic drag (fuel usage) is proportional to speed squared but the time saved is only linear with speed.

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« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2015, 06:54:29 AM »
I have an elantra and it does average MPG readout of a trip (which I can reset when I want- I do it when I refill the tank.)

I was really disappointed to see that it reads MUCH higher than miles driven divided by the gas used (i.e, replaced in a previously full tank).

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Re: live MPG readout for more mustachian driving?
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2015, 08:34:42 AM »
If you're more into an analog reading a vacuum gage performs the same function as a fancy OBDII mpg calculator. 

Less vacuum = throttle is more open = more fuel. 

More vacuum = closed throttle = less fuel.

This is a super useful feature to have in analog IMO, since you get quicker feedback than most of the digital OBDII calculators which update every few seconds or so.  You'll find yourself driving more efficiently up/down hills and see a difference when your drafting another vehicle just by trying to keep the vacuum level up.

You'll see a "fuel efficiency gage" if you rent a modern U-haul.  That is, in fact, a vacuum gage.
Except that high vacuum is a condition that should generally be avoided if you want peak fuel efficiency. Equating vacuum with fuel economy is a very crude way of getting people to stop accelerating hard with automatic transmission vehicles, but vacuum is inversely proportional to engine load - high load = low vacuum. If you look at the BSFC chart of pretty much any gasoline engine, the low load high rev area is usually the least efficient. If you were following the vacuum gauge solely you would find that low gears and high rpms would give the best readings, but would in fact result in high fuel consumption.

I have an elantra and it does average MPG readout of a trip (which I can reset when I want- I do it when I refill the tank.)

I was really disappointed to see that it reads MUCH higher than miles driven divided by the gas used (i.e, replaced in a previously full tank).
My dad's car has an average fuel efficiency readout and it always over-estimates fuel efficiency by a consistent amount (displays around 7-7.5L/100km with an actual useage of 8-8.5L/100km). We were wondering if this is an intentional marketing ploy since most people wouldn't be bothered to confirm the gauge reading.

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« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2015, 03:12:37 PM »
My car has instant MPG and average MPG read out.
I now know the best speed to drive on the highway - and it's higher than I expected it to be.
I don't have either of the displays on around town.
Oh, that reminds me... now I need to find out if it's better to have the A/C on or or the windows open!!

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Re: live MPG readout for more mustachian driving?
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2015, 03:17:40 PM »
My car has instant MPG and average MPG read out.
I now know the best speed to drive on the highway - and it's higher than I expected it to be.
I don't have either of the displays on around town.
Oh, that reminds me... now I need to find out if it's better to have the A/C on or or the windows open!!
Mythbusters say windows down is better than AC on.  Be interesting to see if you get similar results in your car.

http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/mythbusters-database/ac-vs-open-windows/


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Re: live MPG readout for more mustachian driving?
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2015, 05:25:19 PM »
BTW I learned that lots of throttle but low RPM is the best for mileage. I was getting 45 mpg with Toyota Yaris. Manual transmission of course. For highway driving go slow. Aerodynamic drag (fuel usage) is proportional to speed squared but the time saved is only linear with speed.

Yup.  Otto cycle engines (most gas engines) are dreadfully inefficient at low manifold pressures - you stack pumping losses (sucking air past a closed throttle plate) plus low actual pre-combustion chamber pressures (if you're at 15 inches of manifold pressure, the first half of the compression stroke is just getting back to ambient), so you get lower efficiency out of that as well.

As long as the engine keeps it's oil pressure up at low RPM (to avoid bearing damage, which was a problem on older engines when operated like that), low RPM + high throttle settings are the most efficient (assuming you don't go to a rich power mixture, which as long as you avoid wide open throttle should be fine, and most fuel injected engines don't have full throttle enrichment anymore anyway).

Except that high vacuum is a condition that should generally be avoided if you want peak fuel efficiency. Equating vacuum with fuel economy is a very crude way of getting people to stop accelerating hard with automatic transmission vehicles, but vacuum is inversely proportional to engine load - high load = low vacuum. If you look at the BSFC chart of pretty much any gasoline engine, the low load high rev area is usually the least efficient. If you were following the vacuum gauge solely you would find that low gears and high rpms would give the best readings, but would in fact result in high fuel consumption.

That makes a lot of sense - I never did understand why vacuum gauges were sold as "fuel economy gauges" when otto cycle engines have very poor BSFC at low manifold pressures.

(yes, I enjoy my internal combustion engine physics...)

Another tip for fuel economy: Replace your oxygen sensor if it hasn't been replaced in the last ~80k miles.  Though, unfortunately, new wideband O2 sensors are quite a few tanks worth of gas, so it might not actually save you money.