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Loren Ver

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Lawn alternative - clover?
« on: August 02, 2019, 08:14:45 AM »
Hello Team,
I have a question about lawn alternatives.  Currently my fenced in back yard is over run by ivy and weeds.  The ivy is a pain for multiple reasons, it is attacking our house siding and window wells.  It also can't take being walked on at all and the area gets very muddy as the root structure isn't robust.

So I have been looking into removing that and adding something else.  My goal is to add something that doesn't needs (or requires little) watering or mowing.  It also needs to be able to accommodate light foot traffic (no kids or pets) and compete with weeds.  DH has vetoed paving the area over :).

Right now it is looking like microclover could be a good option.  In doing more research I am getting stuck with if i need to mix it with other grasses.  Some sites say you can only have 20% clover, others 80% and others 100%.  I live in the USA, midwest (central Indiana) so we have cold winters and hot summers.  Short wildflower also seem to be an option, but I am having trouble finding solid information on using that long term.

Any thoughts or experiences you would like to share?

Thanks!

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Re: Lawn alternative - clover?
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2019, 08:26:24 AM »
We put in a clover lawn at our old house. It was the Oregon clover mix (we are in the PNW, there may be a better mix for your region). Here's what we learned:

1) Yes, you can just overseed it over your lawn and it will slooooowly choke out the grass. Takes several years, looks bad during the process. It was better where we actually removed the grass and put in clover.

2) With the mix we chose, there was no need to mix it with anything else. It said we could, but we didn't.

3) If you don't mix it with grass or something else, you will need to water once or twice a week during the hottest/sunniest stretch of summer or it will brown out. Good news is, it will green back up once the moisture returns.

4)If you don't mix it with grass, then overseed lightly every spring with fresh clover, otherwise you will get some bald patches.

5) Look at feed stores for buying seed rather than lawn and garden stores. We paid an average of $1/lb for the seed at a feed store, where as at the nearby garden center is was $15/5lbs. Seems our local orchards use it as a living mulch, and feed stores stock it cheaper.

6) Clover lawns do still need mowed, or at least our variety did. Mowing about once a month or so kept it looking nice.

7) Be careful if you like to go barefoot, because you may step on a bee!

8) Check with your city/water department for rebates for putting in a water-wise lawn. We got a nice rebate on our water bill from the city.


Overall, we loved it. It was lawn enough for the kids and dog to do their things, but it was green enough so the neighbors didn't complain. So did most of the people that looked at the house when we were selling it.

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Re: Lawn alternative - clover?
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2019, 11:06:23 AM »
Yes, I have intentionally planted a good bit of my lawn with just good old generic white clover that can be purchased at about any farm store or elevator, as well as ordered on line.   It grows well and better than grass in shady area, makes a nice green lawn and it much better for pollinators such as bees and a better food source for wildlife than plain grass.   Maybe not quite as pretty as a clean grass lawn, but I don't care, don't mind seeing the clover flowers.

Contrary what the poster above said, clover will not eventually choke out grass, just the opposite occurs.   Clover is a Legume which generates Nitrogen, grasses crave Nitrogen and will eventually invade and choke out the clover.   Grasses can be controlled via several spray methods and a periodic over seeding of clover every few years helps.

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Re: Lawn alternative - clover?
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2019, 02:06:11 PM »
I'm adding clover to my existing lawn. Did the backyard last year with white dutch clover, have microclover for the front yard this year. I'm just mixing. And honestly, anything would be better than what I've got.

The white dutch gets pretty wild looking, but then it just stays that height. Maybe 6-7 inches high? I mow it when the grass needs it.

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Re: Lawn alternative - clover?
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2019, 07:23:05 PM »
Thank you for the replies!  I am glad it is a viable option. 

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Re: Lawn alternative - clover?
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2019, 07:51:50 AM »
I'm in the NE and I use clover mixed in with my seed. I also use creeping red fescue and kentucky midnight bluegrass as my base seeds (for for sun vs shade).

Clover is a good for us, its green, its resilient, and it add nitrogen to the soil and helps with other ground cover.

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Re: Lawn alternative - clover?
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2019, 12:19:05 PM »
My goal is to add something that doesn't needs (or requires little) watering or mowing.  It also needs to be able to accommodate light foot traffic (no kids or pets) and compete with weeds. 

Any thoughts or experiences you would like to share?

With those qualifications, I would turn my backyard into a rock garden. I know someone who did that. They made "paths" with stone and filled in the rest with river gravel except for small beds here and there to hold plantings, a koi pond and several large boulders. There is no mowing, no watering, really no care taking except for the planting beds that were left and koi maintenance.

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Re: Lawn alternative - clover?
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2019, 09:25:54 PM »
I put in 100% micro clover in my front yard.   It grows as large leafed as regular clover if you don't mow it every week or so. (one leaf the size of your thumb)..

After 4 years it looks like grass now with a few patches of clover (and other weeds).   It definitely did not take over the grass but grass seed blown in took over from the clover.   I did like it... grass here has a grub that ends up destroying the lawn, and the clover stays green far longer than the grass in dry summers (although it doesn't go dormant like grass).

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Re: Lawn alternative - clover?
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2019, 05:55:34 AM »
When I was a kid, our next door neighbors put in a creeping thyme lawn, among other eco-friendly landscaping changes. They 'employed' me for a couple years - weeding, watering, mowing, etc. The thyme lawn was really cool and definitely looks better than a clover lawn (and smells amazing too). From what I understand, it's just about as hardy as clover though more expensive and takes a bit more work to install.