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Indoor Ninja Course - good idea or really bad one?
« on: July 18, 2019, 05:55:49 PM »
Full disclosure, I am not a handy person.  I can go as far as follow a simple youtube tutorial but that's about it.  I can find studs and drill holes and that's about it.

So, my boys (10, 8, 5) seem to enjoy exercise, but are more indoor people than outdoor.  They'd rather play basketball or do a ninja course or indoor soccer than go outside.  We have a dedicated "play room" which is maybe 12*12 and 8 feet ceiling with padded floors that we normally play dodgeball and soccer in.  I was thinking lately how cool it would be to make an indoor ninja course that had some anchors in the ceiling and hanging ropes and things like that.  I see some anchor's that say they hold up to 300 lbs and can hold heavy punching bags from the ceiling.  So I thought, why not hang a bunch of ropes and bars and stuff to swing around and do pullups and have little ninja warrior challenges.  I could make a few different rows w/some different things.  Is this a really good idea or a really terrible idea?

Is it bad to hang studs and be constantly pulling on the ceiling, even if I have a anchor in a stud that says it can hold 300 lbs?  I think it's an awesome idea but DW thinks it's a terrible idea.  She's normally right...  So seeking some guidance from people who are a lot more handy than I am!

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Re: Indoor Ninja Course - good idea or really bad one?
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2019, 06:30:31 PM »
Good or bad depends on the implementation. If you cannot install it with confidence, one of your kids could fall from the ceiling.

Other than that, the only negative I can see is that it may be a problem when you want to sell. You will have to restore it back to a room, some simple drywall patching and paint should do that.

That might be a great idea to burn off some steam.


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Re: Indoor Ninja Course - good idea or really bad one?
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2019, 07:00:00 PM »
My friend built a room like this.  It's an awesome idea.

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Re: Indoor Ninja Course - good idea or really bad one?
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2019, 01:23:03 PM »
I installed these in my kids room to hold suspended swing chairs. They were easy to install from the attic side and are rock solid.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GRHKZDC

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Re: Indoor Ninja Course - good idea or really bad one?
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2019, 06:52:44 AM »
12 x 12?  That's a tiny room. 

As far as hanging stuff from the ceiling, you could build a box first.  2x4's built into a square or rectangle to then nail into the rafters above with a center 2x4 to mount eye bolts.  So the eye bolts are installed into the 4 side and bolted on top.  Attach whatever hanging thing you want.  The weight is shared by 2 rafters rather than just one.  I've done this for a baby swing with my older son was a baby.  It's on our porch and I could literally hang a Ford V8 engine from it.  It's that strong.  I've used the same eye bolts as tow points on a racecar, so we're not talking weakling aluminum crap. 

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Re: Indoor Ninja Course - good idea or really bad one?
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2019, 07:32:52 AM »
What is above this room? Is it attic or another floor?  If it’s attic, is truss or rafters?

Trusses are NOT meant to have weight pulled down from them.  If it’s rafters with rafter ties/joists, you’re most likely ok.  If it’s another floor above you, then I see no problems hanging stuff.

If it were me and I knew that it was sufficient structure above, I would probably nail and screw (both!) 2x4’s on the flat perpendicular to the joists above.  Then you know you will be able to screw your hardware into some good structure and the 2x4’s will be supported by multiple joists.


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Re: Indoor Ninja Course - good idea or really bad one?
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2019, 01:45:29 PM »
Does anybody have knowledge/experience with Silent Floor joists?

Is it possible to bold anything from the bottom cap of the joists? Or can you only do anything from the sides?

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Re: Indoor Ninja Course - good idea or really bad one?
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2019, 02:01:07 PM »
Hanging a static 300lbs is totally different from a kid jumping & swinging from a hook. There is a lot more force involved and 3 boys will come up with ways to use a ninja course that you could never imagine engineering for. Also kids get bored of cool play structures a lot faster than you can build them. I built a cool climbing wall/fort/bunk beds for my kids. It rarely gets used in the way I thought it would. For ninja/climbing course stuff we head to different playgrounds in the area.

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Re: Indoor Ninja Course - good idea or really bad one?
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2019, 11:40:56 AM »
Full disclosure, I am not a handy person.  I can go as far as follow a simple youtube tutorial but that's about it.  I can find studs and drill holes and that's about it.

So, my boys (10, 8, 5) seem to enjoy exercise, but are more indoor people than outdoor.  They'd rather play basketball or do a ninja course or indoor soccer than go outside.  We have a dedicated "play room" which is maybe 12*12 and 8 feet ceiling with padded floors that we normally play dodgeball and soccer in.  I was thinking lately how cool it would be to make an indoor ninja course that had some anchors in the ceiling and hanging ropes and things like that.  I see some anchor's that say they hold up to 300 lbs and can hold heavy punching bags from the ceiling.  So I thought, why not hang a bunch of ropes and bars and stuff to swing around and do pullups and have little ninja warrior challenges.  I could make a few different rows w/some different things.  Is this a really good idea or a really terrible idea?

Is it bad to hang studs and be constantly pulling on the ceiling, even if I have a anchor in a stud that says it can hold 300 lbs?  I think it's an awesome idea but DW thinks it's a terrible idea.  She's normally right...  So seeking some guidance from people who are a lot more handy than I am!

The bolded text above makes me think.

First, for clarity, you are talking about anchoring into the ceiling, correct? That is what I get from your narrative, but studs are usually found in walls while joists or rafters are normally found in ceiling.

Second, 300 pounds as a dead (constant load) hanging down with an occasional lateral load from punching a heavy bag is very different than the instant load a 10 year old could exert grabbing a rope as they are falling/jumping. The force of that can be multiple times the actual weight.

Third, an anchor that is designed to hold 300 pounds does not mean the rafter/joist it is anchored into is built to accommodate this kind of live (shifting load). I'm not trying to scare you and I highly doubt it would cause a major structural failure. But, this could very well cause the joist/rafter to flex more than originally designed; this could cause things like cracking drywall joints, and if there is a room above bouncing floors and/or cracked tiles.

Fourth, at the very least I would tie (connect) the joist/rafter that you intend to place the anchor on to the 2 adjacent joist/rafters to spread the load and reduce the deflection (spring/sag/bounce)

Fifth, I have seen someone recommend nailing a 2x4 to the the joists above to spread the load. the general concept is sound, but I would strongly caution against nails (or only nails). Nails are perfectly fine with most of the force they experience are shear (across the nail), but I would not rely on nails alone when there is a pulling force (such as a kid hanging from it).

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Re: Indoor Ninja Course - good idea or really bad one?
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2019, 06:38:03 AM »
As an alternative, you could build a climbing wall. There are lots of tutorials on Youtube. It provides less variety of action than a ninja course, but it's simpler to build and doesn't take up much space--so your kids will still be able to play soccer and dodgeball.

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Re: Indoor Ninja Course - good idea or really bad one?
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2019, 01:38:28 AM »
My dad should see this post! Feels like your kids would be so excited after.

I think you should install it. There are tons of videos on youtube on how to make some course safe and I think you can just follow them. Just remember that safety is your priority.

My dream project for my kids would be a mini roller coaster but I think that would be even riskier compared to a ninja course. Goodluck man in your project. Hope to see some photos!

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Re: Indoor Ninja Course - good idea or really bad one?
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2019, 02:29:09 PM »
Most people I know with in-ceiling suspension either lucked out with an incredibly solidly built home, or they custom built their home to allow for the suspension. More often than not, people pay a rigger to come out and discover that - surprise! - their ceilings were not built with dynamic loads in mind. (FYI, as an aerialist not much over 100lbs, 300lbs would be a no-go. Granted, I tend to be higher up than a child swinging on a ninja course, but my rule of thumb is if a car couldn't hang from it, I won't. Spinal injuries are no joke.)

But all that really means is it's probably safest to stick to floor equipment. Vault boxes and precision trainers are relatively easy to DIY (or really anything like Pop Up Parkour, there are plenty of DIY instructions out there.)

Whatever you do, research the heck out of it and watch some videos with the kids so they don't end up with injuries (whether accidental or from ignorance. I developed a chronic injury playing violin as akid because I did it for lengthy periods of time with bad positioning. I mean, kids will be kids, but there's a reason why parkour gyms have instructors to train you how to jump on precision bars. Ankle injuries are common.)