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Galvanized pressure tank for well
« on: May 05, 2020, 06:36:56 PM »
Good Evening!

Last winter our well pump died. We got a plumber out who replaced the pump at a fairly reasonable rate, but I think there was a problem. He "upgraded" our well pump from the prior 1/2HP version to a 3/4HP model. I didn't know much about such things at the time, but I now think this is problematic as the pump only seems to come on for a short period of time when water is being used, maybe 10 seconds. I understand this cycling could rapidly kill the pump.

We have a galvanized pressure tank. It doesn't have a bladder, and this is important because we have an iron reducing filter right after it which requires exposure of water to air in the tank to work. One plumber thought the galvanized tank is original to the house (1967). Given its age and the possible short cycling issue, I'm wondering if I should consider replacing it with a larger tank.

Anyone have any insights or advice?

Thank you in advance!

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Re: Galvanized pressure tank for well
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2020, 07:46:54 AM »
We had similar issues, shirt cycling well pump, etc.
Changed out our well pump to a variable speed pump that is way quieter and only pumps hard as it needs to.   Along with changing pump we have a new pressure tank that is only about the size of a basketball and the water system works better than it ever has.

My rule of thumb is to go ahead and get stuff like this replaced / repaired at first inkling of a problem, rather than wait for a failure, as the failures always occur at a very inconvenient time; on a weekend, over a holiday, etc.

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Re: Galvanized pressure tank for well
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2020, 08:11:20 AM »
Personally, unless the tank was in need of replacing, the easiest and probably cheapest route would be to just replace the pump with one designed for that situation like the previously mentioned variable pump. If I were in the situation, I would probably go ahead and buy the pump to have on hand and wait for the short cycling to kill the current one before replacing. I've seen motors in terrible loads and conditions last a lot longer than I would have guessed. A lot of time, those sorts of things are designed to physically handle such adverse conditions but at a cost of energy input which may or may not be very significant.

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Re: Galvanized pressure tank for well
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2020, 08:34:11 AM »
Good Evening!

Last winter our well pump died. We got a plumber out who replaced the pump at a fairly reasonable rate, but I think there was a problem. He "upgraded" our well pump from the prior 1/2HP version to a 3/4HP model. I didn't know much about such things at the time, but I now think this is problematic as the pump only seems to come on for a short period of time when water is being used, maybe 10 seconds. I understand this cycling could rapidly kill the pump.

We have a galvanized pressure tank. It doesn't have a bladder, and this is important because we have an iron reducing filter right after it which requires exposure of water to air in the tank to work. One plumber thought the galvanized tank is original to the house (1967). Given its age and the possible short cycling issue, I'm wondering if I should consider replacing it with a larger tank.

Anyone have any insights or advice?

Thank you in advance!

There could be two issues:

1) A the galvanized / conventional tank allows water to be in direct contact with the air in the tank. Over time the air will dissolve into the water and is removed when you use the water. This results in low pressure in the tank. This low pressure will  cause short cycling. I believe the pressure in the tank should be ~2 PSI below the pressure the well pump turns on. If possible I would test the pressure tanks pressure and refill as the first step.

2) How quickly a well pump cycles depends on a few things; how big the tank is (the larger the less frequent), how high the water pressures is set (the higher the quicker as the air takes more space in the tank), and how much water is demanded ( pretty self apparent). If your tank is setup correctly and you are still short cycling a bigger tank may be needed, there are charts online you can reference.

(As a reference point, we have a low flow master shower, nebia 2.0, and only two people in the house and our well pump has cycled 42 times so far this MONTH).

As for the suggestion to replace the pump, I suppose it could be cost effective ... if you have a shallow well or a jet pump ... but a deeper well with a submerged pump, I don't know.

Edit: (well technically reviewing your post before I hit post): Are you worried about the well pump only running for 10 seconds at a time or are you worried that there are short periods between times when the well is running? My understanding of short cycling is that the well turns off and on frequently when there is a water demand; basically the concern is the number of starts and stops. So, if your larger pump fills your tank quickly, but then rests for an extended period of time before restarting you are probably fine.

Here is some reading material if you want to dig a little further: https://inspectapedia.com/water/Pump_Short_Cycle_Causes.php
 

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Re: Galvanized pressure tank for well
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2020, 08:59:22 AM »
Thank you everybody. I went and hung out near the tank and opened a faucet for a little while. Even for one faucet, the pump is cycling more than once every minute. I think the tank might be flooded.

I am going to read up on properly charging the tank with air... I have an AVC on there which I just replaced last year, but no mechanism to add air. Any tips?

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Re: Galvanized pressure tank for well
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2020, 09:17:50 AM »
Thank you everybody. I went and hung out near the tank and opened a faucet for a little while. Even for one faucet, the pump is cycling more than once every minute. I think the tank might be flooded.

I am going to read up on properly charging the tank with air... I have an AVC on there which I just replaced last year, but no mechanism to add air. Any tips?

A quick google image search for air volume control valve results in images that show a Schrader valve (tire inflation valve) for adding air. Take a look and see if there is something like that either exposed or under a removable cap. If you find one I would recommend using a bicycle pump to fill it up (I filling is supposed to be done with the tank empty). Full disclosure, I used a pancake air compressor to fill my bladder tank quicker than a hand pump (but my pressure range is 60-80 PSI and my tank is 52 gallons, a hand pump would have made me look like popeye by the time I was done).

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Re: Galvanized pressure tank for well
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2020, 03:17:52 PM »
I've had the air pressure problem in a drinking water system in a house I used to own years ago. It had a shraeder valve on it and I used my pancake cylinder to pressurize things. That system was so small (the tank was the size of maybe two basketballs) that the difference between two little pressure (and the water filling the tank) and too much pressure (resulting in an empty tank) was hard to dial in using just a regular tire pressure guage. Eventually I found a higher quality digital pressure gauge marketed for race car teams in adjusting air pressures. I could overfill it and then bleed it to get to the nearest .1 psi. That did the trick and I didn't have any problems after that.