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jpluncford21

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Fireplace Mod or Basement Furnace?
« on: October 10, 2012, 07:24:01 AM »
I think this questions belongs in this section, but forgive me if I'm wrong.
Anyway, I would like to try and suppliment heating our house this winter with FIRE!!! We used the chimney a couple of times last year, but it doesn't even heat the living room well, so that option is out. I have just begun to do some research on basement furnaces, but haven't gotten that far yet. My questions are: Is there a modification I can make to the chimney to make it more efficient? And, can someone with experience give me a pro/con of installing a wood burning furnace in my basement? And keeping in the MMM theme, I'm kind of looking for cost of materials/installation vs energy savings, etc. Thanks in advance for the info!
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Re: Fireplace Mod or Basement Furnace?
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2012, 09:18:34 AM »
Fireplaces are horribly inefficient (90% goes out the chimney), which is why you don't feel that much heat.  A couple of options with the existing fireplace is to put some venting tubes (think heat exchanger) in with a small blower fan hooked up - that will force the cool air in and hot air hot, it will help but I don't think it will be a huge game changer for you.

You can also do a fireplace insert - essentially converts your fireplace to a woodburning stove, but I think they are pretty pricey. 


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Re: Fireplace Mod or Basement Furnace?
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2012, 12:43:17 PM »
We had the same thought a few years back in our first home, and we ended up ripping out the existing zero-clearance fireplace (and the wall all the way up to the ceiling) and refinishing the newly created alcove with a woodstove that fed into the existing chimney.  (Think of a space big enough for a recessed tv or large fish tank, but with a woodstove in it.)   Our house layout and size and zoning allowances (and a DIY-inclined inspector) made it the most logical choice.  In total, it cost around $750 for the stove, the chimney piping we had to replace, the fireproof wall material (you can't just use normal drywall) and the odds and ends of material to make everything legit.  It worked beautifully to heat our entire living area, kitchen, and all the bedrooms on that floor.  And we were able to do the work ourselves, as long as we brought the inspector in at the appropriate stages to approve the work.

Fireplace inserts can indeed be pricey, but there's a huge range available, with a corresponding range of prices.  A note: inserts and woodstoves are not the same; an insert fits into the wall, whereas woodstoves are freestanding appliances.  Woodstoves are generally cheaper and are less complicated to install.  (They may also raise your home insurance cost.)  If you would prefer to use the existing opening, you first need to figure out if it's even feasible - if your existing fireplace opening is too small for the smallest insert available that'll do what you want it to do, it becomes a good deal more expensive to do a renovation.

When you say supplement your heating with fire, do you mean having a nice fire going on weekend evenings, or are you going to actually try and heat your home?  We do the latter and burn through around 10-11 face cords a winter...which means we start around now and it's pretty steady until late April, early May.  A face cord of hardwood around here (Ottawa Valley) can run anywhere from $100 to $150 delivered and already split.  In order to avoid that expense, we collect it for free from people who have cut down trees, windstorms, etc, from spring right through fall, bearing in mind that we have to let it season as well, so we're actually working a year ahead.  And it costs more in house insurance, because a woodstove is considered a fire hazard.

In regards to the furnace, you'll want to check with your local zoning codes to find out if it's permitted to have a wood-burning furnace - not every municipality will allow them, depending on how pollution-conscious they are.  Also check the physical requirements for clearance of a wood-burning furnace; if you have to expand your furnace room to accommodate it, you won't be saving much.... ;).  Bear in mind that you'll need a vent/chimney/etc for it, so if your furnace room isn't currently on an outside wall, you'll have to consider the logistics of how you'll need to modify your ductwork once you move the furnace (or build a chimney right up the center of the house).  Just a few things to consider....

We've looked into a wood-burning furnace ourselves, and have had to veto it just based on the up-front cost.  The best efficiency rating we were able to find was 86%, and that was totally dependent on what you were burning....oil and gas furnaces are a good deal more efficient, from what we've found.  Wood just isn't that efficient compared to the available alternatives....but it's such a nice heat; feels way better than our forced-air furnace.  :)

If you're just looking to have the occasional fire in a fireplace in order to turn the thermostat down a couple of degrees, personally, I'd go with upgrading your existing fireplace into either an insert or a woodstove. 

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Re: Fireplace Mod or Basement Furnace?
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2012, 01:44:13 PM »
What kind of heating system do you have now?

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Re: Fireplace Mod or Basement Furnace?
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2012, 11:09:55 PM »
I have an insert.  Due to the changes required in the chimney to get it installed I had pro's do it. The store  charged $200 after I bought the stove/pipe and everything needed from them.  It took 2 guys 6 or 7 hours of brutal work due to my 50 year old chimney being massively overbuilt.    Total cost was a little over $3000. 

I love it  but didn't get it for financial reasons.  I've been in an all electric house without power for 4 days in the middle of a snow storm.   Never again...


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Re: Fireplace Mod or Basement Furnace?
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2012, 04:41:38 AM »

I love it  but didn't get it for financial reasons.  I've been in an all electric house without power for 4 days in the middle of a snow storm.   Never again...


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That's exactly why we changed ours out as well.  Makes for great peace of mind around here....

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Re: Fireplace Mod or Basement Furnace?
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2012, 05:24:10 AM »
WHEW!!! $3000!!! That definitely does not seem cost effective. I was just kicking around some ideas and wanted to get some real world experiences. I grew up in Alabama and remember a storm that hit back in the mid 90's that turned out power out for a week or so. If we hadn't had our fire place, it would've been a lot colder (it's alabama so it obviously doesn't get that cold).

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Re: Fireplace Mod or Basement Furnace?
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2012, 11:40:08 AM »
well lets do the math

3000 for the stove,   $360 for 2 cords of wood which is enough to last me all winter.   I lit the first fire of the year last night,  the last one will probably be april 1st.  Lets say 6 months of fires.   Looking at my spreadsheet the stove reduces my electric bill by about $100/month in the winter.   so $600 saved at a cost of $360 or $240 saved each winter.   12.5 years for break even on the stove.   maintenance and everything else involved it's probably a break even at best over the long run.     The electric cost is increasing by 4% a year around here.  wood has been outrunning that  but I can cut my own and it will cost me about $120 and take probably 2 weekends.   I work 1 weekend and pay for the wood instead.

Like I said  finances aren't the reason I put it in place.

 

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