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mustachioso

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Electrical coming up through floor
« on: September 05, 2015, 05:36:56 PM »
I'm trying to turn what was a tiny entertainment center from a previous owner back into a closet. I was surprised to see uncapped live electrical wires coming from the floor!

I'm assuming this isn't right (even for a closet) and it should be in a wall. Is there any way around getting under the house and drilling it up properly behind the wall? I'd like to use it as an outlet but wouldn't mind deleting it if it's a lot of trouble.

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Re: Electrical coming up through floor
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2015, 06:40:51 PM »
Slip some conduit over it and put a proper box at the end, and put your outlet in that box.Make sure you attach the conduit to the wall.

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Re: Electrical coming up through floor
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2015, 07:30:15 PM »
If I can just use conduit from the floor I'm pretty happy!
My house was built in 1955 and doesn't have a ground. Any reason it wouldnt be okay to add a plastic junction and switch to an interior light?

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Re: Electrical coming up through floor
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2015, 01:25:47 AM »
Not really.  As long as you use plastic materials (non-conductive) you should be fine.  This means plastic conduit, plastic surface mount box for outlet/switch, more plastic conduit to a plastic light box.

If you wanted to get fancy, you could install a GFCI outlet and power the switch/light from the load side of the GFCI, reducing the risk of shock.

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Re: Electrical coming up through floor
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2015, 12:38:22 PM »
Not really.  As long as you use plastic materials (non-conductive) you should be fine.  This means plastic conduit, plastic surface mount box for outlet/switch, more plastic conduit to a plastic light box.

If you wanted to get fancy, you could install a GFCI outlet and power the switch/light from the load side of the GFCI, reducing the risk of shock.
Except that a GFCI won't work w/o a ground.

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Re: Electrical coming up through floor
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2015, 12:48:14 PM »
Except that a GFCI won't work w/o a ground.

Yes, it will.  A GFCI works by comparing power coming in and power going out.  If the amounts don't match within a small margin, it assumes the power is passing to ground via another path and trips the breaker built into the device.  This comparison has nothing to do with the equipment ground provided by the receptacle.  This is why GFCI outlets are an accepted replacement for 2-prong outlets where ground is not available.  The "no equipment ground" sticker must be used in these situations.

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Re: Electrical coming up through floor
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2015, 06:57:42 PM »
Except that a GFCI won't work w/o a ground.

Yes, it will.  A GFCI works by comparing power coming in and power going out.  If the amounts don't match within a small margin, it assumes the power is passing to ground via another path and trips the breaker built into the device.  This comparison has nothing to do with the equipment ground provided by the receptacle.  This is why GFCI outlets are an accepted replacement for 2-prong outlets where ground is not available.  The "no equipment ground" sticker must be used in these situations.

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Re: Electrical coming up through floor
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2015, 04:30:57 AM »
A zoomed in review of the original installation reveals a potential problem that I would address. As the OP correctly noted, the cable is original cloth covered Romex, without a ground. In my experience, the insulation surrounding the individual wires in cable that's this old is often very brittle at this stage in it's life, and will crack and fragment off if manipulated, or bent sharply. The potential safety problem is that at some time in the past, some idiot installed the run by bringing it through the hardwood floor, flattening it out, and installing carpet over it, basically making an illegal and dangerous installation from day one.

 At this point, I would work with the assumption that the Romex is damaged and needs to be removed. I would turn the breaker off, pull the wire through the floor, cut it back until you are past the questionable area, and end it in a new junction box. This can be as easy as putting it into a $0.50 blue nail-on style switch box, capping the ends again with wire nuts, and installing a blank switch cover to close the box.

Oh, and do yourself a big favor, ASAP. Grab a flat bar, and pull those scraps of carpet tack strip up. Stepping on those little nails in bare feet is unpleasant. Kneeling on it is an can be an experience to remember, as in laying in a ball, tears of pain, amazed that something can hurt that bad. 
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Re: Electrical coming up through floor
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2015, 06:53:38 PM »
Haha luckily I got the carpet tacks removed without any injury! I thinks it is probably best to remove it. It's a safety concern as you say and its a pain to have conduit in that location without bashing the sweeper into it etc.

I guess I'll have to brave the crawlspace! Thanks!

 

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