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JustTrying

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Drum sander horror/success stories?
« on: July 02, 2014, 10:44:18 PM »
We are planning to refinish our wood floors. Our initial plan was to rent a drum sander and DIY. However, I've talked to 4 people who have done this before and 3 of the 4 said that they really messed areas of their floors when they were first getting used to using a drum sander. This makes me nervous, and we've been considering hiring someone else to do it so that we don't ruin our floors.

Have any of you used a drum sander on your floors? Was it easy? Hard? Tips? Recommendations?

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Re: Drum sander horror/success stories?
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2014, 01:22:28 AM »
There are two different kinds - the ones that do the whole floor, except the edges (I'll call them floor sanders), and the ones that do the edges (I'll call them edging sanders). I did four big rooms and a passage with these. Later, builders did an extension and I had the passage floor replaced and a professional to do the extension and the passage floor.

The job I did looked pretty good until the professional job was done. It still looked quite OK, but it wasn't nearly as shiny. There were 5 years between the jobs, so you would expect the new job to look better. And they probably had an easier job sanding the floor. The boards were all good (carefully selected old boards from one house, so they were uniform and old), whereas I had been sanding a floor that had been down for 80 years, and had 80 years of abuse.

But, I guess you are asking about the sanding rather than the shinyness of the floor after the finish went on.

Our house had all the floors painted black (Japan black) because they were original. There was one spot where someone had gouged holes into the floor that were about half an inch deep - looked like they had been locked in the room and had tried to dig their way out with a chisel! One end of each hole went straight down, while the rest was splinters ripped out.

So, to begin, I used the first pass to rip off the paint and level the floor with the coarsest sandpaper. At this stage I found some floorboards had borer in them, that needed to be replaced. The replacement boards I could get weren't always exactly the right height for the floor (I needed to get 80 year old replacements, so I didn't have all that many to choose from), so they needed to be sanded down to size. Then, successive passes with a smaller grade of sandpaper each time until the floor was nice and smooth.

I used the edger in between the floor sander, so that the edges were uniform (you can get a bump between the edge and the rest of the floor if you don't take care. You also need to be careful that you sand evenly, so you don't put dips into the floor.

Why didn't I do it myself when I had the extension done? I was very busy at work at the time, and it is really difficult not to use a floor when it is the passage. It was nice to go away for a few days and come back with it done. It was nice to have avoided the fumes from the finish. When I did the passage the first time, I painted myself into the bedroom and didn't come out in the morning until it was "set".

Why was the passage done twice? The boards in the passage were cut up when the house was restumped, and it didn't look as nice as the rest of the house. So, when I had the opportunity, I got the boards replaced. It was only a few hundred dollars because the same boards were being used in the extension.

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Re: Drum sander horror/success stories?
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2014, 08:14:35 AM »
I've never used one myself, but my mother, who is 4'10" tall and only reasonably handy, rented one and redid the wood floors in her house. The first she did was just OK and she wound up redoing it after she had gotten the hang of it. Otherwise, they looked great.

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Re: Drum sander horror/success stories?
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2014, 09:45:13 AM »
This is my opinion.  I have rented a sander and re finished a floor in this case it was a rough floor and old plank boards so everything wasn't perfect and didn't need to be when I was done.  It looks good for what it is.

I bought another house that has 1/4 inch hardwood through out the house with an inlay border.  I had many friends tell me that I could easy do it myself.  15 years spent as a carpenter I feel I know my limitations.  The floor isn't level or flat and the inlays scared the crap out of me, besides the flooring is 1/4 of an inch.  Not a lot of room for error.  I hired a professional that ended up using 7 different sanders over a period of about 7 working days for 2 rooms.  I have a room and a hallway left to finish in this house.  The floor looks great and the inlays look great.  I will not attempt the other rooms with inlay as I feel the finisher was worth what he charged.

I think the answer truly lies in what you are refinishing and knowing what your capabilities are.  Another thought is to consider the cost of the sandpaper.  I had quite a bit of money in sandpaper for one room.

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Re: Drum sander horror/success stories?
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2014, 10:33:37 PM »
Thank you for all your thoughts! In the end, it will be my husband and not I who would be in charge of this project. (There is absolutely no way that I'd trust myself to do it!)

usmarine - we have a family member who is a remodeler who tried to refinish floors in his house, and decided to hire out from that point on, because it really didn't go well! That's part of what scares me - he's a remodeler so can usually handle most home projects!

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Re: Drum sander horror/success stories?
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2014, 11:12:36 PM »
Hard or soft wood? The chances of stuffing it up in an irretrievable way, from what I've read, increase exponentially if the floors are soft.

Ours are hoop pine. I thought about it, weighed up the costs both ways (including the cost of repair if I screwed up royally!) and the stress factor, and elected to pay someone to do mine. A day and a half and I have awesome looking floors. Pretty sure I'd still be working on it a week later if I'd tried to do it myself.

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Re: Drum sander horror/success stories?
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2014, 06:40:23 AM »
I still get people giving me a hard time that I didn't do it myself.  I am a DIY for almost everything except for what I know isn't a DIY.  Drywall is also not a strength of mine and one I hire out.  You give me a room to Trim put Crown in or an 10k front door to install or 60k kitchen cabinets to install and I am all over it.  Sanding inlay floors not my strength.

Another thought to consider is the dust from sanding is highly combustible and need's to be disposed of properly.  Many fires have been started by improper disposal of hardwood flooring dust.

Do what feels right to you and your husband and as stated it really is a personal decision.  Good luck.

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Re: Drum sander horror/success stories?
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2014, 04:07:47 PM »
We refinished 100-year-old heart pine floors last fall.  They had a shellac or something on them that wouldn't come off with lighter-duty sanders (just gummed them up), so we finally resorted to the drum.  People warn about using drum sanders on soft wood, so I was worried, but it was our last hope.  The drum sander did the trick and didn't destroy the wood. 

The trick is to not let the drum sit in one place.  You start pulling it towards you and then engage the sander, and let off the sander when you're stopping the movement to go back the other way.  I had never used one before and I did fine. 

Watch a few youtube videos (or have your DH do so) to get an idea of the how-to.  This one looks good (I watched the first couple minutes): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtYAFJbshc8

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Re: Drum sander horror/success stories?
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2014, 08:47:30 PM »
Thanks for the video! I'll make hubs watch it!

Our floors are hardwood - oak.

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Re: Drum sander horror/success stories?
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2014, 10:01:06 PM »
I did a house about 10 years ago and they turned out great. Like weedy said, keep that drum sander moving. If it's on it should be in motion. Try going at a diagonal 45 to the wood planks as well. After the drum we hand sanded the edges and used a finer vibrating buffer/sander all over.

Then vacuum, wait let dust settle and vacuum again. We went so far as to use tack cloth on the floors before we started laying down the poly (house owner was in auto body repair and had a bunch of them).

Put the poly down with a lambs wool mop thing. Let it dry, and wait some more. Sand everything lightly with a pole sander looking out for any bubbles or imperfections. Vac and tack cloth again and apply second coat, repeat till it's shiny enough for you.

 

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