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2 Car questions
« on: June 27, 2013, 01:54:05 PM »
1) Leaky battery on our Corolla -- there is corrosion all over it, and my spouse thinks we shouldn't go near the corrosion. Spouse prefers to get it switched out at Jiffy Lube (the car is due for an oil change, and neither of us know how to DIY this). Will they switch out a battery we buy at an auto parts store and bring with us? Or do we have to buy their battery? (I'm assuming it costs more at JL)

2) Prius headlight is out -- has anyone switched out the bulb on their Prius before? Can I DIY this, using the tools I probably have in my garage? All I have to do is find a comparable bulb at the auto parts store and put a little sweat into it, right? I'm reading some things online about whether you have an XYZ bulb or an ABC bulb and getting a little overwhelmed. I don't even know what type of bulb my car has. I have replaced a taillight (not just the bulb -- the whole thing) on my Corolla, so I *think* I can do a Prius headlight. Bonus points if you can steer me towards a trusted resource that will walk me through the steps for my 2006 Prius.

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« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2013, 02:10:08 PM »
Why can't you do it yourself? I mean aside from not wanting to be near corrosion...? You could just have the auto store that you bought battery at put it in for you. Unless you are ordering it online or something :S. The oil isn't hard to switch but the air filter is a bit more problematic for me, AKA I rather pay someone to change oil/filter. It's about the same price where I am to either pay them to do it, or buy enough oil to change it plus a filter. I use firestone (yeah I know they are overpriced) because I bought the lifetime tire alignment/rotation/balance. So every time I go to change oil I get my tires rotated/balanced/aligned as well. They even check tire pressure and top off my other fluids as well for free. In the end, I just have to leave the car there for a day (maybe 30-60 minutes if I waited). I don't mind being without a car on a weekend since I don't need to go anywhere that day. They even pick me up/drop me home too if I leave the car with them.

On the headlights, I don't have advice on a prius, but wear gloves, the oil on the finger can cause them to burn out from the heat.

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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2013, 02:14:21 PM »
1) Leaky battery on our Corolla -- there is corrosion all over it, and my spouse thinks we shouldn't go near the corrosion. Spouse prefers to get it switched out at Jiffy Lube (the car is due for an oil change, and neither of us know how to DIY this). Will they switch out a battery we buy at an auto parts store and bring with us? Or do we have to buy their battery? (I'm assuming it costs more at JL)

You can totally do this yourself.  It's not like in the movies where this battery acid is going to eat through your clothing and flesh leaving nothing but bone.  Just wear gloves and you'll be fine.

I have no idea how to fix hardly anything, but I've done this at least twice. It's really easy.  Here's a quick guide:

http://www.wikihow.com/Change-a-Car-Battery

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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2013, 02:14:54 PM »
1) if you're worried, wear gloves and wash your hands afterwards.  I'd neutralize the corrosion with something basic (baking soda and water comes to mind.)  If it ate any paint, rough it with sandpaper and spray a little primer on it.   Then swap it with a Sams/Costco battery yourself.  Coat the new battery terminals with clean grease (or vaseline or dielectric grease or...) and it probably won't corrode next time.

2) I also don't have Prius specific advice, but... I'd bet on it that it's just a plain halogen.  It probably pulls out from the back.  If you replace one, replace them both.  They're oddly synchronized in life.  I guarantee that the other one will burn out in a month or two.

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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2013, 02:21:16 PM »
Sooo ... the fact that it's corroding might not even be an indicator that it needs replacing, right? I could clean up the corrosion and still get some useful life out of it? I'm thinking of cleaning it up and Jiffy Lube will test it when they do the oil change. Maybe not having the corrosion all over it won't encourage them to up-sell us on a battery we don't need?

(One of the joys of having a Prius is not getting up-sold at Jiffy Lube on battery replacement. I love it when they click through that screen and say, "oh, you don't need that")

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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2013, 02:29:17 PM »
Possible, sure, if it's still working.

Do you see any obvious leaks?  Is the corrosion at the terminal posts or leaking out the bottom?  Are all of the cells filled with water?  Is it possible someone overfilled a cell and the water went everywhere?  (and if you fill it... use distilled water!)

If it's actually leaking... I'd replace it.  If it's just corroding on the terminals, I'd clean those up, apply grease and see if it lasts.

You can clean the posts and the cables with one of these gizmos available at almost any auto parts store.

I can't speak for upsell... I've never been to one of those oil change places in my life other than to dispose of my used oil.

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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2013, 03:05:14 PM »
I've done both of these (changed battery and replaced headlight bulb) and I had no idea what I was doing... :D

If you are really freaked out about the battery, you can get these purchased and replaced at most auto parts stores - Advance Auto Parts and Auto Zone will come out and put the new ones in and recycle the old (you get charged for the recycle, but that's everywhere I think). They install lots of things they sell for free (batteries, wipers definitely, even bulbs sometimes, ask them). BUT I don't know how their product pricing compares to others, so it might be cheaper to purchase elsewhere and DIY. At the very least, they'll come out and help you figure it out sometimes.

I wouldn't do it at a place that changes your oil, they'll upsell. Just my experience.

And I had one of those terminal cleaners too, my dad told me that is standard on some batteries - they just get smutty looking.

BUT if you do get someone to do it for you, WATCH THEM and figure out how to do it yourself. It is pretty awesome to know how to do stuff without having to depend on someone else. :)

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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2013, 03:16:16 PM »
(you get charged for the recycle, but that's everywhere I think).

I don't know if this varies by location, but around here it's totally the opposite.  You get charged for NOT bringing in the old battery.  It's a credit if you do.

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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2013, 03:23:25 PM »
(you get charged for the recycle, but that's everywhere I think).

I don't know if this varies by location, but around here it's totally the opposite.  You get charged for NOT bringing in the old battery.  It's a credit if you do.

I believe you pay extra at the start of the process, then the credit you get back is your own money that they held to make sure you return the old battery.  At least in California.  The initial price paid is like $20 more than the price of the battery, then you get that $20 back.

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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2013, 03:54:03 PM »

2) Prius headlight is out -- has anyone switched out the bulb on their Prius before? Can I DIY this, using the tools I probably have in my garage? All I have to do is find a comparable bulb at the auto parts store and put a little sweat into it, right? I'm reading some things online about whether you have an XYZ bulb or an ABC bulb and getting a little overwhelmed. I don't even know what type of bulb my car has. I have replaced a taillight (not just the bulb -- the whole thing) on my Corolla, so I *think* I can do a Prius headlight. Bonus points if you can steer me towards a trusted resource that will walk me through the steps for my 2006 Prius.

I believe the Gen II Prius headlight can be a little tricky to replace because of the lack of clearance to get to it.  There are a number of discussions about it on places like Priuschat  Reading a description from someone who has done it or watching a video apparently helps and you should be able to DIY.  The type of light depends on what the trim level is on your Prius.  Find a website where you can type in your vin# and it should give you the exact replacement part.  If it is an HID bulb, they can be kind of costly but it is a known downside with the genII prius.

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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2013, 03:59:43 PM »

2) Prius headlight is out -- has anyone switched out the bulb on their Prius before? Can I DIY this, using the tools I probably have in my garage? All I have to do is find a comparable bulb at the auto parts store and put a little sweat into it, right? I'm reading some things online about whether you have an XYZ bulb or an ABC bulb and getting a little overwhelmed. I don't even know what type of bulb my car has. I have replaced a taillight (not just the bulb -- the whole thing) on my Corolla, so I *think* I can do a Prius headlight. Bonus points if you can steer me towards a trusted resource that will walk me through the steps for my 2006 Prius.

I believe the Gen II Prius headlight can be a little tricky to replace because of the lack of clearance to get to it.  There are a number of discussions about it on places like Priuschat  Reading a description from someone who has done it or watching a video apparently helps and you should be able to DIY.  The type of light depends on what the trim level is on your Prius.  Find a website where you can type in your vin# and it should give you the exact replacement part.  If it is an HID bulb, they can be kind of costly but it is a known downside with the genII prius.

OK. Thanks. I think that's the rigamarole about the actual bulb. I have a Gen II with a backup camera, so I think it has more than the basic trim.

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« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2013, 04:03:03 PM »
Oh crap. You're not kidding about the HID headlights costing more!

"The HID bulbs have a rated life twice as long as standard bulbs, and give three times the light while using about half the power. But they're also much more expensive: the list price for one bulb is $150, against $12 to $15 for a standard headlight bulb."

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« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2013, 04:22:40 PM »
(you get charged for the recycle, but that's everywhere I think).

I don't know if this varies by location, but around here it's totally the opposite.  You get charged for NOT bringing in the old battery.  It's a credit if you do.

I believe you pay extra at the start of the process, then the credit you get back is your own money that they held to make sure you return the old battery.  At least in California.  The initial price paid is like $20 more than the price of the battery, then you get that $20 back.

That's probably what I was thinking... it's been a few years since I did that last and it does sound familiar.

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« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2013, 09:56:35 PM »
You can start your battery change by cleaning the old battery of corrosion.  Mix baking soda with warm water and apply to the corrosion with an old toothbrush or small paintbrush (one you don't want to use for other things) and keep applying until the bubbling stops.  No more corrosion.

As others have said you can totally do this.  Figure out how to undo the battery holddown and when the battery's out, use more baking soda solution to clean the tray and other areas.  Then soak it all in WD40 or other spray oil.  Then, clean the cable terminals with a battery terminal brush (buy or borrow if you don't have one) and install the new battery.  Tighten the connections, spray with more oil, check after a while.  If the cables or connectors are corroded so bad they no longer work, replace them with stock ones.  Toyota cables are cheap and well made.  Avoid the generic replacement terminals, they generally cause more problems than they solve.

Some places will pay you for your old battery if you don't need to trade it in. Batteries leak for many reasons; age, over-charging, loose connections (can be caused by corrosion and cause over-charging) vibration etc.

Others' advise about the bulb is spot-on!

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« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2013, 07:01:35 AM »
as for the bulb, I was surprised to find a regular headlight bulb for my Honda was 20% cheaper at the dealer's ( and they popped it right in, no charge) than at the local Pep Boys auto supply.

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« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2013, 07:59:17 AM »
as for the bulb, I was surprised to find a regular headlight bulb for my Honda was 20% cheaper at the dealer's ( and they popped it right in, no charge) than at the local Pep Boys auto supply.

Thanks for the tip! I will call around and get prices. The local Toyota dealership is known (anecdotally at least) to "find" problems with cars that "need" to get fixed, so I would like to avoid them but for a 20% discount, I'll take the chance!

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« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2013, 04:07:36 PM »
My experience about the hazards of both:

Battery acid is not nearly as dangerous as people sometimes make it. OK, so it's not healthy either (and for gods sake, don't get it in your eyes), but... the first time I had to buy a battery for my old car I went to the nearest supermarket and found a neat stack of them. I found one that looked promising, but unfortunately I couldn't find a price for it. So I thought that maybe it was on the bottom and turned the battery upside down. That's when I learned the difference between "spill-proof" and "hermetically sealed". I splashed some on my hands, sweater and the new pair of jeans I had bought the previous day. I went off to the bathroom (alerting a store worker on my way there) and washed off my hands with plenty of water and panic. Incidentally that also made my jumper sleeves a bit wet. However later there was no effect on either my skin or my sweater. My jeans however had attained a unique pattern of tiny holes the next day. :P

So basically - yes, the sulfuric acid in the batteries is a hazard, but even if you get some on you - don't panic and just wash it off with plenty of water (especially from the clothing). It won't harm you unless you let it soak for a while (well, except maybe if you get it in your eyes or something). If you even wear simple household rubber gloves, you'll be more than adequately protected.

Rust itself however is no hazard at all, even if it was caused by the acid. And it can be caused by other reasons too (like water).

Headlights - most headlights (and all the various other light bulbs of a car) can be changed quite easily (provided you can get to them), but there are two things to keep in mind:
  • For the headlight bulb (but not for other, less powerful bulbs), don't touch the glass with your fingers. It's also stated on the box. Hold the bulb by it's metal base. The bulb runs very hot (unless it's one of them fancy LED bulbs) and the grease from your fingers will make it hotter, thus shortening it's life.
  • If it's a xenon bulb (it has that distinct blue color), don't change it yourself. There should also be a warning sticker in the car that the bulb uses very high voltages (mine says something about 25,000 volts), so if you touch that, you'll really harm yourself. I don't know if this applies only when the bulb is on, or if there is any residual charge in some capacitors, but the general wisdom is - xenon bulbs need to be changed in a special workshop and cannot be serviced by owners themselves. Everything else thought is doable.
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« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2013, 04:48:52 PM »
In my youth, I used to work on cars and did plenty of battery work. Baking soda and a toothbrush work great. If you spill battery acid on your clothes, and don't wash it out quickly, it will eat holes into the fabric. This generally applies if you don't notice and throw the clothes in a hamper and let them sit overnight. Also, I found that after the new battery is installed, spray paint the terminals (I always used flat black for a clean look), and this greatly reduces corrosion in the future.

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« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2013, 09:56:23 PM »
Thanks all! The headlights are done. I'm very happy to report that they are not HID lightbulbs, so it only cost $30. The employees at the store even installed them for me, which is great because they saw that the lubrication on one of the connectors needed more lube, so they stuck it on there for free. I feel like I got more than my $30 worth, given the amount of time it took to put the bulbs in! (they were really hard to get to, and harder to seal back up).

Next up is cleaning off the battery in the Corolla.

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« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2013, 01:04:28 PM »
Thanks all! The headlights are done. I'm very happy to report that they are not HID lightbulbs, so it only cost $30. The employees at the store even installed them for me, which is great because they saw that the lubrication on one of the connectors needed more lube, so they stuck it on there for free. I feel like I got more than my $30 worth, given the amount of time it took to put the bulbs in! (they were really hard to get to, and harder to seal back up).

Next up is cleaning off the battery in the Corolla.

Great job on the headlights.  I have heard of dealers saying they needed to take the bumper off of a prius to get to the headlights and then charging people a fortune for that.

The battery should be no problem, its not complicated, just a dirty job. 

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« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2013, 07:55:20 AM »

Great job on the headlights.  I have heard of dealers saying they needed to take the bumper off of a prius to get to the headlights and then charging people a fortune for that.


I can see how they can make that case. The headlight was a really tight fit. Everything is really squished in there. Sadly, I'd never even looked under the hood of my car until that day! (and I've had it for 4 years!!)