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Ripple4

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DIY electric grilling, cheaper, faster and better
« on: June 25, 2022, 07:28:14 AM »
My latest DIY success is converting my old Weber Genesis Silver series from natural gas to electric. It heats up much quicker and the food is good, easier to cook, and foods not typically cooked on a grill are now fair game. I can do garlic toast/pizza without the bottom burning and while smoke still comes out, it's not nearly as bad as with gas, with gas cooking 80/20 burgers always lead to flare-ups. Now it's just simple to get a good cook on them without the raw/scorched dichotomy. The proof is in the reviews and DW said to my son 'dont tell but it's easier to use' she just does not want me to get too brag-y. Too late! I made a YouTube about it if you want to see more details.

https://youtu.be/fxYgrA29aRs

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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2022, 01:13:50 PM »
I've always liked electric grills.  They're so simple to use and don't flare up.  You can dial them down really low if you need to, which is great if something else on the menu is running behind.  Also, the lava rock soak up the fats & BBQ sauces and add to the flavors more & more over time. 


We have an electric smoker now and really like it too. 

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Re: DIY electric grilling, cheaper, faster and better
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2022, 07:07:50 PM »
My friend's dad took two forks and stuck them in opposite sides of a hot dog, wired them to a wall plug, and grilled the hot dog instantly. That's what I call "DIY electric grilling". ;-)

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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2022, 07:51:37 AM »
I've always liked electric grills.  They're so simple to use and don't flare up.  You can dial them down really low if you need to, which is great if something else on the menu is running behind.  Also, the lava rock soak up the fats & BBQ sauces and add to the flavors...

Yes electric grills get a bad rap I think because of the negative association with restrictive condo rules. But on an equal, unbiased playing field electric might actually have important advantages, cost likely as i talk about in the video, safety, versatility, and according to hank hill you can taste the meat not the heat! I have a "komodo kooker" and we think the food tastes bad, even with lump charcoal, it's too hot or cold I might convert to that to electric too this summer.

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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2022, 08:11:25 AM »
This isn't social media.  Please tell us how you did it.

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« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2022, 08:42:02 AM »
This isn't social media.  Please tell us how you did it.

The youtube video is excellently done--- well narrated, lots of visuals and graphs, details galore.  To try and put that into words for the forum would be a big task and not come up to par.  @Ripple4 good job!

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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2022, 05:56:44 AM »
This isn't social media.  Please tell us how you did it.

The part of this feedback here that Is helpful is recognizing not everyone may have fast internet, and also not everyone is a visual/audible learner. so here is a quick text based explanation. natural gas is bad, i cannot make natural gas myself. electricity is more versatile and i can make it myself. when i make electricity myself i'm richer in the long run, i'm also less dependant on external input to my life and therefore protected from external disturbances slightly more. while i cannot power this grill on my solar power system as it is i have a long standing goal to do that. I did internet research on eletric grills and most are small for condo balconies or large and expensive. inspired by these commercial units and also incorporating some of my own experience as a industrial engineer i identified several critical design parameters: a) feedback control is needed b)reducing operating costs/run costs c) use off the shelf parts when possible. d) test e) share the good idea and document it.

so i bought the cheapest oven broiler element on Amazon that had mounting flanges, i used those flanges to mount it to the aluminum body of the grill. it covers about 90% of the bottom of the grill, because IR is reduced at the square of distance, i put it as close as reasonable to the grilling racks. then to melt cheese and crisp veggies i knew that i needed heat from the top, so i found inexpensive quartz tube IR emitters and mounted them to the inside of the insulated lid. I used Kaowool for insulation on the lid because of its biological inert properties and also its extreme temperature resistance.

for feedback control i chose a capillary-type thermostat. this technology is inexpensive and also durable. it also does not have an electronic sense and actuation, its all mechanical. the NO/NC connections are rated for the operating current directly so no relays are needed. however since the one i chose is SPDT it only switches one leg of the 240v circuit, which means the elements are always at 120vac, granted they are touch safe as it is. I do plan to install a deadman timer and a DPST contactor to make the entire unit cold. the upper heaters i chose to make manual control. the reason is that the crisping/browning is largely a visual output. pizza that is just starting to have the cheese bubbles burned, compared to having the top black is human preference, maybe some of the software geniuses on this board could create an AI to do it, but for cost sake the top control is on a SPST switch and the cook must apply judgement that as needed.

The youtube video is excellently done--- well narrated, lots of visuals and graphs, details galore.  To try and put that into words for the forum would be a big task and not come up to par.  @Ripple4 good job!

thank you!  i'm just a guy tinkering around and sharing what i feel are exciting ideas, so when that resonates with someone, i feed very accomplished!

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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2022, 08:37:00 AM »

The part of this feedback here that Is helpful is recognizing not everyone may have fast internet, and also not everyone is a visual/audible learner. so here is a quick text based explanation.

Thank you for understanding and for the written explanation!

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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2022, 07:45:43 AM »
My friend's dad took two forks and stuck them in opposite sides of a hot dog, wired them to a wall plug, and grilled the hot dog instantly. That's what I call "DIY electric grilling". ;-)

My dad taught electronics at a community college, and this was always his day #1 demonstration.

They tasted horrible though.

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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2022, 07:48:39 AM »
My latest DIY success is converting my old Weber Genesis Silver series from natural gas to electric. It heats up much quicker and the food is good, easier to cook, and foods not typically cooked on a grill are now fair game. I can do garlic toast/pizza without the bottom burning and while smoke still comes out, it's not nearly as bad as with gas, with gas cooking 80/20 burgers always lead to flare-ups. Now it's just simple to get a good cook on them without the raw/scorched dichotomy. The proof is in the reviews and DW said to my son 'dont tell but it's easier to use' she just does not want me to get too brag-y. Too late! I made a YouTube about it if you want to see more details.

https://youtu.be/fxYgrA29aRs

Very cool project!  I'd love to do something similar, but alas, I am out of slots to wire any new 240v devices in my house.  I doubt the 120v/15A circuit on my patio would be remotely close to acceptable.

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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2022, 04:37:25 PM »
My latest DIY success is converting my old Weber Genesis Silver series from natural gas to electric. It heats up much quicker and the food is good, easier to cook, and foods not typically cooked on a grill are now fair game. I can do garlic toast/pizza without the bottom burning and while smoke still comes out, it's not nearly as bad as with gas, with gas cooking 80/20 burgers always lead to flare-ups. Now it's just simple to get a good cook on them without the raw/scorched dichotomy. The proof is in the reviews and DW said to my son 'dont tell but it's easier to use' she just does not want me to get too brag-y. Too late! I made a YouTube about it if you want to see more details.

https://youtu.be/fxYgrA29aRs

Very cool project!  I'd love to do something similar, but alas, I am out of slots to wire any new 240v devices in my house.  I doubt the 120v/15A circuit on my patio would be remotely close to acceptable.


We've had a couple store bought 120V grills which worked fine.  It's best if you have a 20 amp circuit.  We have a 120V smoker that tends to trip the GFCI or the 15 amp breaker.  (I need to get a shorter extension cord for it.)

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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2022, 08:41:19 PM »
My latest DIY success is converting my old Weber Genesis Silver series from natural gas to electric. It heats up much quicker and the food is good, easier to cook, and foods not typically cooked on a grill are now fair game. I can do garlic toast/pizza without the bottom burning and while smoke still comes out, it's not nearly as bad as with gas, with gas cooking 80/20 burgers always lead to flare-ups. Now it's just simple to get a good cook on them without the raw/scorched dichotomy. The proof is in the reviews and DW said to my son 'dont tell but it's easier to use' she just does not want me to get too brag-y. Too late! I made a YouTube about it if you want to see more details.

https://youtu.be/fxYgrA29aRs

I might look into that.  I have an electric smoker that works fine on the 15A circuit.  Even changing to 20A would require cutting through some interior drywall, and I don't think I'd go to those efforts.  I do love my propane grill, but I'm interested enough that I might experiment. 

Very cool project!  I'd love to do something similar, but alas, I am out of slots to wire any new 240v devices in my house.  I doubt the 120v/15A circuit on my patio would be remotely close to acceptable.


We've had a couple store bought 120V grills which worked fine.  It's best if you have a 20 amp circuit.  We have a 120V smoker that tends to trip the GFCI or the 15 amp breaker.  (I need to get a shorter extension cord for it.)