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Simple solar heating systems for refugee camp?
« on: December 29, 2019, 11:55:07 AM »
Some friends are trying to help a group of refugees build simple but safe shelters for mothers and children in Syria. They have good craftsmen and engineers in the area, but have to keep it very simple due to lack of materials. For instance, due to terrorist activities they are not able to get hold of electric supplies (wires, generators, pv systems, etc). I suggested building simple solar panels for warm water, to reduce the need for wood/fuel. But how can this be done as simply as possible? Due you know about any good step-by-step instructions I can send them? There is plenty on google, but I don't know enough to sort out the good vs bad ideas. And a lot of them seem to integrate electricity, like an electric pump to distribute the water, etc.

Appriciate all input, also for other good solutions.

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Re: Simple solar heating systems for refugee camp?
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2019, 12:27:50 PM »
Look into Passive Solar Water Heaters within the Permaculture community to start learning the basics, which will help you better identify quality of any instructions... though given the situation, teaching the mechanics of how it works might be better than just giving instructions, which tends to require specific resources. Once you know the terminology to search with and use and how the various types function, it helps open up options. Of course, as with everything, especially water that doesn't get hot enough to kill pathogens, there still needs to be mechanisms to purify and make potable potentially, but that's probably a concern already being addressed with the available water in the first place.
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Re: Simple solar heating systems for refugee camp?
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2019, 12:48:15 PM »
Sorry for not being clear. In my language, solar panels are passive water systems, solar cells are the electric system. I'm looking for simple solutions for building the passive water systems.

Thank you for the link. Do you think the batch system would be better than these types of simple coils where the water flows through? And do you know any good schematics (preferrably with not too much text)?

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Re: Simple solar heating systems for refugee camp?
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2019, 01:31:28 PM »
It honestly all comes down to what's available on site, because you have to build and improvise with what you got... sometimes there might be resources for a triple tank, sometimes a breadbox, sometimes a greenhouse batch. That's the real rub under the circumstances, and given those circumstances, teaching the mechanics of and the differences between, and how to assemble each type would probably be far more beneficial than just sending a bunch of pictures and telling them, "try to build this". Of course, that means more resources to dedicate towards accomplishing the goal, but better to teach how to fish than just give the fish. If they know how the basic types work and tricks to optimize, that gives them the freedom to improvise with whatever they can get their hands on.

The Mother Earth News article is a good starting point, but I'm personally having problems finding any pre-existing guides detailing the information that they do need to potentially translate and pass along. I've been a bit too long out of the permie culture at this point to know what may already be out there to spare you from potentially re-inventing the wheel for the folks there in Syria. With that in mind, let me encourage you to actually take this question to the folks on the forums over at https://richsoil.com/

In addition to potentially better answering this question for you than most folks here ever could given their own focus, you might find other permaculture resources and technologies that may be of great benefit to have taught and passed along to the refugee craftsmen and engineers in the area. A great example would be the Rocket Stove Mass Heater (again at Richsoil), which requires about 80% less wood fuel to heat a home with versus traditional stove designs, and can be built with minimal and sparse resources. Hugelkultur beds and wofati shelter techniques might be useful resources there to pass along as well.
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Re: Simple solar heating systems for refugee camp?
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2019, 02:47:20 PM »
I'm still looking around myself, and came across an interesting design that I thought might be worth mentioning made almost entirely of a water barrel and HDPE black hose arranged on a parabola, and gravity fed. It was a design that was a part of the GE Ecomagination project about a decade ago designed by a guy named Debesh Raj Bhattarai, and the website related to the author since with what little remaining resources directly related to it has been overwhelmed with guitar videos and a lot of unrelated content, and very little technical detail. Even the related Youtube playlist is spartan and now has an Ariana Grande video tacked on the end, as is the Internet Archive page of the Ecomagination entry.

All the same, I'm including what I've found. Its "instructions" (in the loosest terms possible) for a very specific design type, with multiple insulated varieties without any hard schematics that I've been able to find yet all in one spot or much hard data related to the final design and what that entailed to illustrate efficiency, but it's something, and it's really simple and should work in theory. Think old school satellite dish shaped bowl with a black water hose coiled around the entire surface, insulation on the bowl bottom, clear plastic sheet on top as a greenhouse/air gap for insulation. Water comes out of the tank, through the black hose bowl-dish, out the other end, pure gravity driven. Simple enough to grokk, though.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxEC-Rgmy9kDaNSria4337P6D-ZC76IPF
https://diysolarheating.blogspot.com/search?q=diy+passive+solar
https://web.archive.org/web/20120718094012/http://challenge.ecomagination.com/home/Passive-Solar-heater-Innovation-DIY

I'll keep looking for broader instructional works, too.
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