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Hi all,

A while ago we had a leak and had it resolved. The plumber ended up cutting too high on the wall initially before locating the leak at the bottom. Now we're left with two areas to patch up:





After realizing his mistake, the plumber saved the square piece from the cut on top and screwed it back in at least for a 'temporary' patch.

Best way to approach patching at this point? Should we just tape and mud over the square patch on the top? All other pieces were saved as well but the bottom (partially obscured by the toilet) is kind of an upside down/inverted "L" shape. We actually had a different plumber out initially and he cut a smaller square starting from the baseboard - we were going to have him come back to finish the job but he ended up getting exposed to someone w/ COVID so we had to have a different plumber out... the second plumber cut a larger square *above* the first plumbers square.
« Last Edit: July 19, 2022, 05:46:25 PM by jeromedawg »

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Re: Repatching drywall cut in two different areas on the same wall
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2022, 07:57:17 PM »
Not sure what your question is.

Drywall gets patched all the time, and in all sorts of different shapes and sizes.

Those two areas are a small job, so getting someone who knows drywall repair to come out is probably not going to be easy.  You thus might wait until you have more drywall repairs to do and lump it into a larger job.

You can learn to DIY.  It's not hard to do a passable job as a beginner, but it won't look as good as someone with more experience.

There's nothing special about your particular drywall repair other than it might be a bit of a hassle physically to get the lower one behind the toilet.  You could consider taking the tank off the toilet temporarily, but that is a trade-off in convenience between better access and a working toilet.

If you have the piece or pieces from the cutout below, those might be helpful to save, although it kinda looks to me like you might have to cut the lower hole larger so that you have some studs to attach the drywall to.

If the plumber used drywall screws and screwed them in the appropriate depth, and the patch is level enough with the rest of the wall, yes, I think the upper patch could likely just be taped, mudded, sanded, textured, and painted.

Drywall comes in a few different thicknesses and types, so if you have to get more to patch the bottom hole, you'll want to match the thickness and type to the existing.

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Re: Repatching drywall cut in two different areas on the same wall
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2022, 08:49:38 PM »
Not sure what your question is.

Drywall gets patched all the time, and in all sorts of different shapes and sizes.

Those two areas are a small job, so getting someone who knows drywall repair to come out is probably not going to be easy.  You thus might wait until you have more drywall repairs to do and lump it into a larger job.

You can learn to DIY.  It's not hard to do a passable job as a beginner, but it won't look as good as someone with more experience.

There's nothing special about your particular drywall repair other than it might be a bit of a hassle physically to get the lower one behind the toilet.  You could consider taking the tank off the toilet temporarily, but that is a trade-off in convenience between better access and a working toilet.

If you have the piece or pieces from the cutout below, those might be helpful to save, although it kinda looks to me like you might have to cut the lower hole larger so that you have some studs to attach the drywall to.

If the plumber used drywall screws and screwed them in the appropriate depth, and the patch is level enough with the rest of the wall, yes, I think the upper patch could likely just be taped, mudded, sanded, textured, and painted.

Drywall comes in a few different thicknesses and types, so if you have to get more to patch the bottom hole, you'll want to match the thickness and type to the existing.

I was planning just to DIY this. I just did an easier repair (replacing a section of drywall that will be hidden by baseboard) in another part of the home so this is me 'lumping' the projects together since we have the materials. One caveat is that I bought 1/2" drywall for that project and this, and this wall turns out to be 5/8" from what it looks like.

The upper piece the plumber actually didn't fully remove. He cut and then folded it to the right (hence the crease that you might be able to see). The piece isn't flush with the wall and pops out. There might be a way to make it flush but not sure. He also cut that piece out at an inward angle on all sides... so not sure if I should just plan to replace that entire piece with a fresh piece of drywall and straightening out inward cut so it's not angled.

For the lower piece, I have more pics:



Because this is in the corner too, I'm not quite sure how to approach that and if it's a matter of cutting out the 1" section covering the stud and installing a new patch and taping into the corner. Of course, the baseboard below is right there too, so not sure if taping will be possible there

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Re: Repatching drywall cut in two different areas on the same wall
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2022, 10:37:43 PM »
I'd try to get a piece of 5/8".  Usually they come in 2x 4x8' sheets, which is overkill.  I'd consider trying to find a scrap piece either from someone else's remodel, or a Habitat Restore Store, or check for partially damaged pieces at Lowe's or HD.  If you ask any of these, they'll likely let you have it for free or very cheap.

If the plumber cut on three sides and folded it out somehow, that piece should be able to be put back roughly flush, at least enough to where after you're done it shouldn't be noticeable.  I wouldn't do what you're describing there just to have non-angled cuts - it's all going to be hidden, right?  If it bothers you, you can, of course, but you're just making more work for yourself.

On the lower portion, I'd probably remove that section of baseboard (it'll likely be nailed in with finish nails and then caulked along the top where it meets the drywall, and in the corners.  If you do it carefully, you can replace it when you're done.  Then cut that strip of drywall on the left where it's covering the stud, and cut to the right until you find the next stud over (probably 18" on center).  Then cut a scrap piece of 5/8" drywall (see above) to fit and screw it into the studs.

One thing I can't tell is what's going on with your toilet water supply line there where it goes into the baseboard.  Someone more expert than me can advise you on that maybe, because it might complicate getting that piece of baseboard removed.

You'll want to use drywall corner tape if you have it in that left corner.  If not, there may be kludges that you might find acceptable.  In order to install the drywall corner tape, you may have to sand down the texture on the (yet unmarred) wall to the left.  Once it's taped and mudded, then you can hopefully restore the texture, then reinstall baseboard, then re-caulk, then paint.

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Re: Repatching drywall cut in two different areas on the same wall
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2022, 11:02:49 PM »
Wouldn’t it be easier to just replace a bigger section of drywall that includes both pieces?  Floor to ceiling and however wide it needs to be - maybe from the corner up to whatever is on the other side of the toilet?  I haven’t priced drywall lately, but I don’t imagine it’s that expensive.  And you seem like the type of person who appreciates things done to a high standard.  It would probably look better this way with fewer seems, so easier to get them flush and less visible.

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Re: Repatching drywall cut in two different areas on the same wall
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2022, 05:06:07 AM »
Home Depot sells repair patch sized drywall pieces in 1/2 and 5/8”… think they are 2’x2’. If you don’t need a full sheet for ~$20 you can buy one of those.

Drywall is easiest to patch when it’s a rectangle, so continue cutting back until you have that basic shape, and has studs on two sides to attach to. Then it’s just mudding and taping.


This isn’t hard, though it takes practice to do well. Thankfully it’s low cost low effort.

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Re: Repatching drywall cut in two different areas on the same wall
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2022, 07:21:37 AM »
The bad news on the upper one. You can't patch it as it is now without going ahead and removing it first. Patches that big need to be supported on the edges and corners or any tape applies to the seams will crack if you ever put weight in the area of the patch in the future. This will also flush up all the edges between the patch and the remaining drywall. So go ahead and complete the cuts and remove the piece in question. Then for both patches, you need to get a supply of 1 x material, I usually use 1 x 3 inch material. The goal here is to overlap half of the 1 x 3 behind the existing drywall and screw it through the original remaining drywall. It doesn't have to be completely around the perimeter of the opening but you should get it at least in all the corners and in the case of the bottom patch, where ever the were will be a seam with all those pieces. I usually cut the 1 x 3 a few inches wider than the opening, thread it into the hole, hold it in place and then screw through the existing drywall to suck it up to the backside nice and tight. With patches that big, I would put supports across the width of the opening a couple times in the middle of the holes too. Once you have all the 1 x 3 supports screwed into place, then you screw your patches to the 1 x 3 supports. Once all that is done, then you can tape over the joints and mud the tape and all the screws. After everything is smoothed out, then you can apply your texture which is really the hardest part of the entire process and try to match what is there already. There are lots of videos on YouTube showing this basic process.
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Re: Repatching drywall cut in two different areas on the same wall
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2022, 08:41:55 AM »
On smaller patches I would use 1/2" drywall in a 5/8" wall and skim coat over the patch.
I use rips of drywall as the the support for the edges of the patch. Coat with a little con-ad (construction adhesive) first, put in position half under the existing drywall and half exposed to be covered by the patch, and hold in place with two drywall screws (gently!).
Use mesh tape not paper tape.
Remove the baseboard first and run the patch to the floor.
If the patches are too big, make one big patch instead.
Start with a small taping knife (6"") and move up from there.
Finish to the corner.

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Re: Repatching drywall cut in two different areas on the same wall
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2022, 10:22:16 PM »
Look up the 'california patch' on YouTube - for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJhuIGjkV2w

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Re: Repatching drywall cut in two different areas on the same wall
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2022, 05:13:53 AM »
I like the above video, but in your case, I would cut and nail a piece of wood to the 2 x 4, mounted flush with the back side of the drywall to give it more support. I would also add a wood support to screw to all the way around the patches rather than just in the center like the video. In the video the patch is in the ceiling so no chance of someone leaning against it. On the wall, I would want more support.

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Re: Repatching drywall cut in two different areas on the same wall
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2022, 04:26:06 PM »
I ended up patching the upper via California patch (I squared off the hole that was there to make everything even and flush first) and the lower portion I just squared and made even/flush that portion before cutting a piece to exact fit and taped the joints for that. I was actually trying to use paint sticks for shims but there was very little clearance and space to work with. I found that jamming the larger bottom piece in to fit flush actually resulted in a very snug and tight fit so I just did that with no supporting shim behind... it seems to have worked *shrug* lol. I figure perhaps it's not as big of a deal since this area is behind the toilet and should never really be accessed anyway.

At this point I've mudded over and it should be ready to texture, prime and paint. I've just been super lazy about it... I'll get to it one of these days but at least everything is patched back up.







I was able to pop off the small section of baseboard that whoever 'remodeled' this bathroom before cut to size and made that super ugly little cut-out for the toilet water supply flange.

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Re: Repatching drywall cut in two different areas on the same wall
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2022, 05:35:47 PM »
Well done. Texture can hide a lot of imperfections (that’s why it’s so ubiquitous)

 

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