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Allie

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Chimney leaking? Any idea why?
« on: November 25, 2016, 11:30:07 PM »
In our living room, we have a fireplace that sounds like it is leaking (or something).  It is a wood burning fireplace with a gas log lighter that has had a metal insert put into it with fake logs to be like a gas fireplace.  We used it as a gas fireplace for a few fires because that is what we were told it was when we bought the house. 

A couple years ago, the man from the gas company (who was in our house for another reason) suggested we never, ever use it because even though you can create a fire with the gas lighter, it was put together in a way that the insert and lighter were never meant to be used...the lighter was never meant to sustain a fire and has no pilot light or other safety features.  So, we haven't used it for a fire in at least two years. 

But, somewhere above the metal insert, there is a leak or condensation or something that causes a dripping sound on the metal insert.  I'm listening to it now...drip...drip...drip.  This doesn't happen constantly, and I haven't been able to determine a pattern.  Every few weeks, I'll hear a tinkling crashing sound as if a big chunk of ice or snow is coming down the chimney and landing on the top of the insert.  But, nothing ever comes down the actual chimney pipe onto the flue.  A mysterious set of splash marks have developed in the front against the inside of the glass fireplace doors.  Like someone sprayed chalky water on the doors...but we have never seen them wet.  They just have splashy residue. 

I'm home during the day and my husband travels often, so this usually happens while I am alone in the living room.  Since there is never any evidence of water in the fireplace, I always sound like a crazy person trying to describe it. 

We checked the top of the chimney this summer and the flashing around the chimney and it all looks great.  But, now that winter is back, I hear the drip drip drip again. 

Does anyone have any idea what could cause the dripping sound on the outside of the fireplace insert? 

We live in Alaska, so it's been pretty cold already this year.

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Re: Chimney leaking? Any idea why?
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2016, 01:32:40 AM »
The splash marks prove you are not crazy.

You've had the chimney inspected at roof level and it is sound.  That's good.  Is there a cowl on top of the chimney?  There should be some sort of ventilation at the top of the chimney, and it is possible that rain/snow is getting in through that ventilation.

There also needs to be ventilation at the bottom of the chimney.  If there is not, or it is not adequate, there is a high chance of condensation which might also be the source of your problem - the chimney is a cold and relatively static column of outside air within the warm envelope of your house and it will condense moisture out of that cold air.  The colder that air (and so the greater the difference with your warm house) or the more moisture in it, the greater the condensation will be.   Long term, that condensation will be doing no good to whatever forms the interior lining of the chimney.

The only solutions are likely to be either replacing the existing gas fire with something appropriate (a log stove or working gas stove) and using it, or taking the chimney out altogether.

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Re: Chimney leaking? Any idea why?
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2016, 05:38:45 AM »
I'm unclear as to this being a metal "zero clearance" style fireplace, with a factory made, metal chimney, or if it's an insert into an existing masonry fireplace? Unfortunately, the possible causes of this issue are numerous, and you probably won't get a satisfactory answer until you hire a pro. like a chimney sweep, to thoroughly inspect everything. If it's an insert, it could be as simple as a newly developed air leak, allowing hot air from inside the home to enter the unused chimney, condensate, then drip on to the top of the steel insert.

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Re: Chimney leaking? Any idea why?
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2016, 06:22:46 AM »
I'm unclear as to this being a metal "zero clearance" style fireplace, with a factory made, metal chimney, or if it's an insert into an existing masonry fireplace? Unfortunately, the possible causes of this issue are numerous, and you probably won't get a satisfactory answer until you hire a pro. like a chimney sweep, to thoroughly inspect everything. If it's an insert, it could be as simple as a newly developed air leak, allowing hot air from inside the home to enter the unused chimney, condensate, then drip on to the top of the steel insert.

A chimney sweep is a really good idea. It sounds like you'd need to get the fireplace in shape before you sell in a few years anyway; why not fix it now and enjoy it?

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Re: Chimney leaking? Any idea why?
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2016, 11:37:50 AM »
Thanks for the quick responses.  It is indeed a metal insert that was stuck into the fireplace.  From the horrified look on the face of the gas company man who came out to inspect the house after leak and happened to see it, I'm going to guess the metal insert and the old fireplace were frankensteined together by someone who had neither fireplace nor gas experience.

I guess it's time to call a pro. 

Maybe I'll start another thread.  "Removing fake fireplace...what to put in its place?"  :-)

Wood stove?  Heat generating gas insert?  Back to regular wood fireplace and just leave it decorative so it doesn't suck the heat out of the house?