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Check out my wooden Pool/Hot tub
« on: September 24, 2020, 09:06:42 AM »
This is the Hot Tub / Pool I made for my family to use. This project was inspired by the great plastic pool shortage this summer. In late June I called every Walmart and they said they had no pools and no air conditioners. eBay had price-gougers with 5x markup. Think back to the heat bubble in July. So I had this idea to make my own dual-use hot tub and pool. I know MMM mentioned the $20/swim pool with the high initial cost, low use rate all counted against the future value of money. So keeping that in mind I designed my pool to be low cost, usable year round, and when I’m done with it, the parts can be re-purposed. Also, since I keep about 42” of water in it its deep enough to actually swim in, since its 12’ corner to corner, like a swim spa.

The pool itself was done in late July, so we did enjoy it for a time with the 90+ degree weather too cool off in, but now into fall it has transitioned into its second use, A hot tub. There is an 80K BTU natural gas fuel heater ($100) , a 7GPM stainless pump ($63), and a stainless plate/plate heat exchanger ($10 used) that takes antifreeze from the heater to an insulated box that houses the 1000GPH pump and sand filter ($55). The wood is almost all pressure treated so will resist rot from moisture. The screws are all stainless steel for the same reason. I learned how to use the KREG pocket hole jig to attach the structure together from the outside-in. There is not one fastener head that touches water. The basic design is based on a sheet of 4x8 plywood. The sides are one sheet each and the bottom is two sheets butted up. I sealed the edges with marine below-the-waterline caulking. The knots of the plywood were sealed up with 2-part epoxy and the water touching surfaces are painted in oil-based boat paint. If I could do it again, I would have saved time and money and painted it in white Sherwin Williams 2-part epoxy paint, it would have been better for many reasons.

The structure was engineered to be both economical and have a large safety factor. Dusting off my statics books, I used hydrostatic equations to determine loads, I found that 2x4 studs spaced 16” OC will resist the many thousands of pounds force 4’ of water will exert on the vertical surfaces. I installed 2” foam insulation between the joists/studs on the bottom and sides adding up to a R10 value. It will loose only $0.20 of heat on the coldest days of winter. The rim of the pool is 2x8 joists turned sideways to resist the bowing force of the water, with corner braces that double as seats. The outsides are skinned in the cheapest plywood I could buy, and painted with water-resisting oil paint. I also made an elevated swim deck that encloses the mechanicals and a dorm-sized beverage fridge.  I hung outdoor CAFÉ lights from the Unistrut metal racking that supports the solar panel roof of this screened-in space. I made a separate post about all that a year ago.

To make it 21st century ready it had to be IOT, so I got a clever device from SONOFF, it’s a 16 amp power relay that is married up to a RTD thermometer, $18 at Walmart.com. this deal here measures the water temperature and turns the pump and heater on and off based on rules that I make in my smart phone. I can turn it on manually, and also activate the automatic control with has ON/OFF temperatures.

Overall, the $1600 I spent was about 1/3-1/2 what a smaller commercial hot tub would have cost. Its run rate cost will be much less than an electric hot tub since my marginal gas usage is contracted at $.30/CCF/100KBTU and I only need ~60Kbtu/day to keep it 100F on 0F days. Also, the electric to run the pumps is coming from a solar powered circuit so it runs without grid electrical power.








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Re: Check out my wooden Pool/Hot tub
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2020, 09:10:23 AM »
Most impressive

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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2020, 10:43:12 AM »
Do you have any more build pics? This looks really interesting! 


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Re: Check out my wooden Pool/Hot tub
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2020, 11:35:08 AM »
That's incredible.

To make it even more like a hot tub/swim spa you could probably drop in some PVC pipes with small holes drilled that hook into a basic air compressor, similar to a bubble tub.

What will you do for seating? I'd vote for plastic deck chairs just for the heck of it.

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Re: Check out my wooden Pool/Hot tub
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2020, 06:12:27 PM »
Thanks! It will likely end up with tacky white patio chairs as seats. I like the idea of the PVC plumbing as a raw material, my first idea was to make 8' long bench's with webbing to sit on, but it would stink to be hauling them in and out of the pool all the time.  I was producing a video collage, but didn't feel like narrating it, so enjoy build pictures set to royalty free audio!

https://youtu.be/guoarQVjW_U

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Re: Check out my wooden Pool/Hot tub
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2020, 07:11:46 PM »
Very cool build, thanks for posting and sharing.

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Re: Check out my wooden Pool/Hot tub
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2020, 08:20:42 AM »
Pulled out the statics book, haha. Excellent.

I will be curious to read about the longevity of the plywood walls after 5-10 years.

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Re: Check out my wooden Pool/Hot tub
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2020, 12:17:10 AM »
What an incredible project to DIY! This would be super satisfying to put together even without the huge cost savings. Based on your description of the process I can tell you were pulling off an extensive amount of knowledge and experience from a variety of fields. I hope to one day be able to do the same.

I'm also curious about the scalability of this setup. What if you were to make it smaller, say a 5'x5' hot tub; or larger and deeper, like a full size swimming pool? I'd also like to see a way to add jets to it.

What's your process for cleaning/draining? Are you using chlorine or is it just tapwater? You didn't mention any sort of filtration system, but I'd imagine you'd want something like that for a pool/hot tub seeing year round use.

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« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2020, 07:24:32 PM »
This is certainly scalable. Just butt up as many 4x8 sheets as you have space and money for. In fact, while I was using my master-mind group to vet this design one person found an article from 1955 in popular mechanics, you can find it in a google book search, that had a 4x8x16 version of this. very similar in the fundamentals but very different in materials and execution. engineering it myself gave me the confidence it was good enough.

I had hoped to have an out of the gate success on this, bit I'm learning that i've left quite a bit of territory to improve. turns out the high temperatures of the hot tub and the chlorine have reacted with the super-duper $12/tube boat caulking that I used and it has become sticky, so it gets on anything that it touches. so I'm going to make my own pool liner from reinforced 22mil white PVC tarpaulin and heat-weld the seams. I've always wanted to learn how to heat weld plastic, now is my chance.

on the economy of it so far. the update is that I made the lid for it out of 3.5" thick foam sheets, FRP panels on the water facing side and super thin plywood on top. to make it easy to remove I rigged up what I learned was a called 'gun-tackle' pully arrangement to lift/pivot it up. anyway it seems to run $1.20/ week in gas to keep it swimmable at ~40-50F air temp. so that tracks with my previous calculation. I'm sure I'll sharpen the pencil on that more as time goes on. just today I made the insulated door to keep the pump from freezing. without it, I noticed that it had thermo-syphon, opposite the normal flow, that served to cool down the pool and that's fixed now. As more areas where heat loss occurs become evident I'll fix them and make it better.


 

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