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Portable sandwiches?
« on: June 17, 2013, 06:57:55 AM »
Going along with the sandwiches theme...  What are some good sandwiches that do NOT require refrigeration for a normal work day

Right now I eat PB&J every day, since it's the only thing I know of that I can safely transport to work and eat without requiring any refrigeration...  Wouldn't mind having some more options (refrigeration/cooling is NOT an option, but assume that it won't have to tolerate heat of over 110 degrees F).  :-)

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Re: Portable sandwiches?
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2013, 07:23:39 AM »
Pan Bagna is very tasty and is safe to store at room temp.  Here are two different recipes plus prep videos. You'll see that the ingredients are quite flexible:

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/pan-bagnat-recipe/index.html
http://www.nytimes.com/recipes/1014798/Pan-Bagnat.html

You can also make Pan Bagna with individual ciabatta buns if you just want to make single servings. I've found they last a couple day because they are so moist.

More ingredients that are safe without refrigeration you can experiment with: avocado, salmon, and hummus.

If you want to branch out from sandwiches, five bean salads are also safe and tasty at room temp: http://allrecipes.com/recipe/marinated-five-bean-salad/

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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2013, 07:27:44 AM »
Anything that is in anyway cured or preserved will be fine for 4-6 hours unrefrigerated.  This would be most cheeses (avoid things like fresh mozzarella, etc, and cured/smoked/etc meats.  Pick up some reusable ice packs, too.  Toss an ice pack in the lunch pail along with pretty much any sandwich and you'll be fine.  Most sandwiches will be ok even without.  The only real limit I see to what can be packed in the morning for lunch that same day are sandwiches which have a lot of moisture, as that will dissolve the bread and make it very unappetizing.  As for things like colby cheese and salami going bad, they will be just fine for a few hours.

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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2013, 08:12:23 AM »
I dont think a few hours in room temperature is going to be an issue at all.  It isn't for me.  I've brought all different types of sandwiches with me to work unrefrigerated and never had an issue at all.  Turkey, ham, cheese, salami, pb&j, etc etc.  I'd be comfortable bringing any type and be fine eating it.  A few hours wont hurt you!

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Re: Portable sandwiches?
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2013, 09:18:51 AM »
I agree, pretty much nothing is likely to go bad in 4 hours without refrigeration.

Whatever ingredients you choose to use, this should help make it more portable (and save on the cost and environmental impact of ziplock bags):

http://www.instructables.com/id/Reuseable-sandwich-holder/

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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2013, 09:43:34 AM »
USDA recommends not eating cold cuts that have been at room temp for more than 2 hours.  But a freezer pack in an insulated lunchbox will keep any sandwich cold enough until lunch.  While you are probably safe for 4-5 hours even without the ice pack, all it will take is one miserable bout of food poisoning to make the approx. $1 lifetime cost of an ice pack more than worth it.


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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2013, 10:26:26 AM »
USDA recommends not eating cold cuts that have been at room temp for more than 2 hours.  But a freezer pack in an insulated lunchbox will keep any sandwich cold enough until lunch.  While you are probably safe for 4-5 hours even without the ice pack, all it will take is one miserable bout of food poisoning to make the approx. $1 lifetime cost of an ice pack more than worth it.
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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2013, 11:01:44 AM »
all it will take is one miserable bout of food poisoning

yeah, its pretty miserable!
mine were both from things left out 24hours or more - but then, I'm vegetarian.  I should have said "pretty much nothing that I eat will go bad in 4 hours"

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« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2013, 11:45:33 AM »
yeah, its pretty miserable!
mine were both from things left out 24hours or more - but then, I'm vegetarian.  I should have said "pretty much nothing that I eat will go bad in 4 hours"

Good point! I haven't gotten food poisoning at all since I stopped eating meat. That having been said, we all still need to be careful about potatoes, rice, melon, etc. Anyway, throwing an icepack in your lunch is a great idea. Better yet there are lunch containers in which the walls are made of insulation material. I see these at thrift stores quite frequently. Throw the whole thing in the freezer after work and put your lunch in it before you leave the next morning.

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Re: Portable sandwiches?
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2013, 01:50:53 PM »
No need for a fancy ice pack . . . I used to toss some water into a water bottle, and freeze that.  Bonus is that you get ice cold water to drink at lunch.

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Re: Portable sandwiches?
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2013, 02:04:22 PM »
I've gotten away from sandwiches recently, but I used to make up a batch for the week and stick them in the freezer (ham and cheese, hummus, etc., but not fresh veggies), then grab one in the morning. It would thaw but still be cool by lunch. If I wanted fresh veggies, I added them when I was ready to eat; freezing makes them squishy and gross.

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Re: Portable sandwiches?
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2013, 02:38:13 PM »
On hikes, I take a can of sardines and some sliced bread. The oil from the sardine can makes it so you don't need mayo or any other topping that may go bad. It'll last all day, it's a cheap and nutrient-dense meal for an active day.

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« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2013, 03:55:56 PM »
Good point! I haven't gotten food poisoning at all since I stopped eating meat.
Not to continue to derail the thread, but leafy greens, not meat, are the leading cause of food poisoning, which suggests vegetarians are equally at risk.

FWIW, I haven't gotten food poisoning since I started eating meat...

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« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2013, 04:15:21 PM »
Good point! I haven't gotten food poisoning at all since I stopped eating meat.
Not to continue to derail the thread, but leafy greens, not meat, are the leading cause of food poisoning, which suggests vegetarians are equally at risk.

FWIW, I haven't gotten food poisoning since I started eating meat...

Many here are new to both cooking in general and brown-bagging in particular. So it's worth mentioning: be aware of contamination and cross-contamination in all foods you handle. A sneaky source: citrus rinds. Wash all produce before consuming or processing, including oranges, lemons, limes and grapefruit. Sante!

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Re: Portable sandwiches?
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2013, 10:35:52 PM »
yes, fresh organic leafy greens from a quality restaurant gave my husband a horrendous bout of food poisoning. so another good reason to make your meals at home!

my favorite sandwich when there won't be refrigeration is cheese and pickle or cheese and olive. spread mustard on the bread, smack down a couple slices of aged cheese, add some leaves of flat italian parsley (doesn't go limp in sandwiches! tastes wonderful! wash it first of course!), and some slices of dill pickle or stuffed olives. squish it together a bit, so it doesn't fall apart. wrap it in waxed paper, and you can shove it in your pocket for whenever you're hungry. delish, easy, cheap, and safe.

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« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2013, 10:47:36 PM »
Good point! I haven't gotten food poisoning at all since I stopped eating meat.
Not to continue to derail the thread, but leafy greens, not meat, are the leading cause of food poisoning,

But that means they were contaminated to begin with.  Plants can not catch norovirus, therefore they can't actually carry it.  They can only have surface contamination.
If they aren't contaminated with norovirus, or e-coli, or whatever from some outside source, they aren't going to go bad from sitting out any length of time - either it was contaminated when you bought it, in which case it will make you sick whether it is kept refrigerated, or eaten as soon as you bring it home, or it isn't, in which case you can leave it out till it wilt and it won't make you sick.

So, while it may be true that greens are more often contaminated than meat or diary, it isn't entirely relevant to the question at hand.

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Re: Portable sandwiches?
« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2013, 08:57:42 AM »
If you're in a situation where you can assemble the sandwich, pack the moist ingredients separately to keep your bread from getting soggy.

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« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2013, 09:37:29 AM »
there are some sandwiches that i find taste much nicer after they've been sitting out a few hours and have had time to come to room temperature:

- roasted beets with brie
- crispy bacon with brie
- tomatoes with brie (lol, i really like room-temperature brie!)
- hummus with avocado and onion and whatever else

if you use a sturdy bread, like a baguette or some hearty wheat bread with seeds and stuff in it, the sandwich seems to hold up better over time, too.

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Re: Portable sandwiches?
« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2013, 06:10:29 AM »
Pan Bagna is very tasty and is safe to store at room temp.

My favourite sandwich!!

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Re: Portable sandwiches?
« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2013, 06:51:57 AM »
Nutella and peanut butter. Yum....

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« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2013, 02:08:58 PM »
If they aren't contaminated with norovirus, or e-coli, or whatever from some outside source, they aren't going to go bad from sitting out any length of time - either it was contaminated when you bought it, in which case it will make you sick whether it is kept refrigerated, or eaten as soon as you bring it home, or it isn't, in which case you can leave it out till it wilt and it won't make you sick.

This seems wrong, but I'm willing to be educated on it.

My understanding of food poisoning is that evil germs produce toxins that make you sick. When you refrigerate something, you slow evil germ reproduction, and the germs or their toxins remain at small enough amounts that our badass healthy bodies can deal with them.  When you give them an environment they love, like say humid and about 50 celsius, they will reproduce faster, and make more evil germ poo that makes you sick.

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« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2013, 02:38:59 AM »

If they aren't contaminated with norovirus, or e-coli, or whatever from some outside source, they aren't going to go bad from sitting out any length of time - either it was contaminated when you bought it, in which case it will make you sick whether it is kept refrigerated, or eaten as soon as you bring it home, or it isn't, in which case you can leave it out till it wilt and it won't make you sick.

This seems wrong, but I'm willing to be educated on it.

My understanding of food poisoning is that evil germs produce toxins that make you sick. When you refrigerate something, you slow evil germ reproduction, and the germs or their toxins remain at small enough amounts that our badass healthy bodies can deal with them.  When you give them an environment they love, like say humid and about 50 celsius, they will reproduce faster, and make more evil germ poo that makes you sick.
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No. E-coli (esentially it comes from...you know: poo) has to be in the produce. Keep it any lenght you wish in room-temp: if it wasn't there it won't grow - though the produce will rot or mould. Though, no salad or meat or cheese is germ-free and those (natural and nice) germs will, sooner or later ruin the food and cause you to get sick. The fridge will slow germ production, but not eliminate it (so you can easily get e-coli from refridgerated goods).

The problem, of course, is that greens (out under open air with birds, bugs etc) generally have a decent chanse of being infected with not-so-nice germs that'll make you ill unless you wash them.

That said, where I live we pack (all and sundry) our lunch daily and keep it in room-temp for up to 8 hours. No government advice on not to do it, and I've never heard of food-poisoning due to it.

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« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2013, 08:58:34 AM »
I've been packing unrefrigerated sandwiches for lunch for approximately 30 years, and haven't had food poisoning yet.  Even when they're full of uncured meat and mayo, on hot days.

The few hours between home and lunch just aren't enough to spoil ordinary food that's not already on the verge of disaster.  Work with fresh ingredients and don't worry about it.

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« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2013, 09:24:37 AM »
+1 to that. I'm routinely eating things (meat included) that have been unrefrigerated for even longer than that, and I've never had food poisoning. Fresh ingredients, washed where appropriate, will make sure that nothing will go wrong.

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« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2013, 01:13:43 PM »
If you toast your bread it keeps it from getting soggy on a PB&J