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icyappraiser

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Breaker tripping with nothing plugged in?
« on: August 04, 2020, 08:38:23 AM »
The breaker with my garbage disposal on it (nothing else is on the circuit) keeps tripping. I thought the garbage disposal was causing it to trip, but I unplugged the disposal and it tripped without anything plugged in so my best assumption is it is some sort of wiring or breaker issue.

Any ideas? Is it in my best interest to call an electrician on this one? I don't have any experience working with electrical. Thanks!

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Re: Breaker tripping with nothing plugged in?
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2020, 08:43:07 AM »
How comfortable are you with electrical?  My guess is that there is a wire that came loose from the receptacle or the ground is touching the hot wire. That would cause the thing to pop. 

If it’s not, it could be the breaker.

If it’s not, have you hung any pictures, screwed or nailed anything into the walls lately?


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icyappraiser

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Re: Breaker tripping with nothing plugged in?
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2020, 09:02:09 AM »
@Papa bear not very comfortable. Don't have any experience working with electrical.

I have hung a couple things, but I find it hard to believe they would affect that electrical wiring. The outlet for the disposal is under my sink and I would think it would run right towards the electrical panel in the basement. The things I put on the wall are all on the main floor and at a higher elevation than both the disposal outlet and the panel. Could it still be a possibility that I hit something given this?

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Re: Breaker tripping with nothing plugged in?
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2020, 09:36:44 AM »
Disposals are often on shared circuits with the dishwasher. Could it be your dishwasher tripping the breaker?

icyappraiser

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Re: Breaker tripping with nothing plugged in?
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2020, 10:10:06 AM »
@bacchi  negative, I checked the panel and there is a separate breaker labeled dishwasher. At least according to the labels on the panel, the disposal is the only thing on that breaker.

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Re: Breaker tripping with nothing plugged in?
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2020, 11:53:09 AM »
I would start by shutting off the circuit and searching to see if anything else goes offline (do not trust the labels to be accurate or exhaustive). As an example when we bought our house there was a circuit that was labeled only as garbage disposal, but it also had 1 kitchen counter outlet and the hood vent/microwave combo on the circuit.

Once you confirmed that there is nothing else on the circuit, or disconnected everything, see if it keep tripping.

If it does, it seems to me it is one of 3 things a bad breaker, a bad connect/path to ground, or a damaged wire. Whether at that point you feel you need to call an electrician depends on how willing you are to learn.

Checking the connections on an outlet is pretty easy (and if there is really only the garbage disposal) then you likely only have connections at the outlet and in the breaker box.

Anything in the breaker box may or may not involve working in a box with hot wires (unless you have a service disconnect outside of your breaker box, at least the wires to the line side of the main breaker will be live). The connections are no more difficult to check, but you might not feel comfortable with prospect of working around live wires.

Damaged wire could be anywhere, even buried in the walls. The wire could have rubbed through and is shorting, a mouse could have eaten the insulation, a nail/screw could have pierced the insulation ...

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Re: Breaker tripping with nothing plugged in?
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2020, 12:03:31 PM »
I'm assuming you don't have a voltmeter or a plug tester? Can you borrow one?

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Re: Breaker tripping with nothing plugged in?
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2020, 12:55:29 PM »
I would wager a large amount of money its a loose wire somewhere. They can be damn near impossible to find. However it sounds like you might be ok its either gotta be loose at the disposal or breaker.

I have had this happen myself. I got lazy and forgot to screw the neutral in all the way, it happens.

Find a friend who knows their way around your panel, I bet your solution is in there.

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Re: Breaker tripping with nothing plugged in?
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2020, 01:30:47 PM »
Does it trip immediately when resetting, or sometime later?

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Re: Breaker tripping with nothing plugged in?
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2020, 11:47:51 PM »
The first and easiest place to check is the receptical box where the disposal plugs in. Open it up (with power off) and see if anything obvious is causing a short. Do the same for the switch box.

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Re: Breaker tripping with nothing plugged in?
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2020, 01:48:54 PM »
The first and easiest place to check is the receptical box where the disposal plugs in. Open it up (with power off) and see if anything obvious is causing a short. Do the same for the switch box.
Before even opening up the box, I'd turn off the breaker (it already ism, because you say it keeps tripping) and use a multimeter to test continuity.  Are there are dead shorts between any of the three prongs on your outlet?  Is HOT shorted to GROUND?

Now that you know that, remove the outlet and check for anything visually obvious.  If there is nothing visually obvious, then that short from HOT to GROUND is somewhere inside the wall.  Not good.

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Re: Breaker tripping with nothing plugged in?
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2020, 05:04:33 PM »
Does it trip immediately when resetting, or sometime later?
This hasn't been answered, but if it trips immediately, then I would get an accurate ohms reading from that hot wire to either it's neutral or ground. From that you can calculate approximately how many feet to the short.

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Re: Breaker tripping with nothing plugged in?
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2020, 10:22:01 AM »
Have you solved this problem?
 I had my own problem, I tried to use a TIG welder and heard a loud pop from the TIG machine. Noticed I had no power, so went in the has and reset the popped breaker.
As I started to walk out I noticed no power in the whole house. The whole house breaker is on the outside. I went out and it was tripped, but it would not reset. I shopped but could not find a replacement, so I swapped the electric heater 70A breaker for the whole house 100A breaker to get through the night with air conditioning and power. The next day my wife had said something to the neighbor about it and he walked over with a replacement 100 amp breaker that fit.
 I did an autopsy on the defective breaker and found one side had overheated copper wires which were probably from the circuit breaker contact making a poor connection and getting hot. 

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Re: Breaker tripping with nothing plugged in?
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2020, 12:56:17 PM »
I had a similar behaving breaker.  Tracked down all the outlets/lights on the circuit and shut everything down.  Breaker would trip on reset.  Replaced the breaker and everything's fine.  Been fine for maybe 8 months now.  Breakers do go bad.