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kudy

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Bike Wheel Spokes?
« on: June 14, 2014, 02:27:01 PM »
Last year I put a new back wheel on my fixer-upper bike with the help of my local bike co-op. Since then, it's worked wonderfully, until this week. A few days ago, I removed the wheel and replaced 2 broken spokes that had broken spontaneously on my last ride. I spent a few minutes adjusting the other spokes on the wheel, and it was nice and true.

Yesterday, during my first ride after replacing the broken spokes, an additional 4 spokes broke! I am hoping someone on here has a few hints at why all of my spokes are betraying me now?

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Re: Bike Wheel Spokes?
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2014, 06:00:03 PM »
I've found that they tend to go in bunches.  If you keep them tightened properly once the first goes they're probably all hitting close to the same amount of fatigue.

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Re: Bike Wheel Spokes?
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2014, 06:13:01 PM »
4 spokes in one ride means that your spoke tensions were not happy.  While your wheel may have looked nice and true, it's always possible you had some over-tightened ones and some wobbly loose ones.  Good spoke tension and wheel trueness do not necessarily go hand in hand, and it's quite common for someone who is just learning how to build wheels to focus on the latter at the expense of the former.

The easy way to check is to just manually squeeze every adjacent pair of parallel spokes to see if each pair feels about the same, all the way around.  Do both sides.  Then do a pair on the left vs a pair on the right, all the way around.  They should all give just a little.

I'd recommend you go back to your co-op and explain you busted 4 spokes in one ride.  They'll know what to do.  They'll be able to tell you whether one side of your wheel is too loose, straining the opposite spokes, or whether your whole wheel is too tight, straining all of them.  Most co-ops have a bucket of old spokes you can have for near free if you can find the right size, a much better deal than paying $3 each or whatever ridiculous price your LBS will charge you.

My last piece of advice is to check your tire pressure more often and quit charging curbs and potholes.  Wheels last longer when you are nice to them. 

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Re: Bike Wheel Spokes?
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2014, 06:28:35 PM »
Last year I put a new back wheel on my fixer-upper bike with the help of my local bike co-op. Since then, it's worked wonderfully, until this week. A few days ago, I removed the wheel and replaced 2 broken spokes that had broken spontaneously on my last ride. I spent a few minutes adjusting the other spokes on the wheel, and it was nice and true.

Yesterday, during my first ride after replacing the broken spokes, an additional 4 spokes broke! I am hoping someone on here has a few hints at why all of my spokes are betraying me now?

When you replaced the wheel last year, did you use all new spokes, new hub, new rims, or were any of these reused/recycled and could be fatiguing? Have you checked the tension on the spokes? At least plucking at them to see if the noise that makes is similar frequency? Also after replacing and adjusting the new spokes, give them all a squeeze to make sure there's no pent up tension that released suddenly while riding. Did the wheel take a big hit or the rim get bent before this started happening? Have you gained a lot of weight recently? Jumped off curbs recently? When you replaced them, we're the same ones breaking plus new ones? Has your chain come off the sprocket on the wheel side and damaged the spokes? We're they breaking at the rim/nipple or at the hub? All on the drive side? Sorry for so many questions. Just trying to narrow down to troubleshoot.

Edit: or even better, do what Sol just suggested and take the wheel to the co-op and have them look. Please report back to us to share what you learned for all our benefit.
« Last Edit: June 14, 2014, 06:31:27 PM by Hamster »

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Re: Bike Wheel Spokes?
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2014, 09:01:02 PM »
I haven't broken any spokes yet, but I check mine about every month when I oil the chain.

I don't have the patience to get the wheel perfectly true, but I do tighten spokes that are overly loose.

That many broken spokes suggests something about your riding habits or route that may need to change.

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Re: Bike Wheel Spokes?
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2014, 11:36:54 AM »
I would concur that it sounds like the tension was too high on the spokes.  Wheel building is as much art adn science. it is easy to get into the situation truing a wheel to tighten the spokes to where the tension is out of the safe range.  on a ride you can pop several and if you had just replaced some spokes and trued this a good possibility.  There are spoke tension gauges but might not be worth the the cost unless you like wrenching on your bike.  sometimes it's cheaper to have the shop doing it rather then buy the tools needed.   here is a some good information.  http://sheldonbrown.com/wheelbuild.html

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Re: Bike Wheel Spokes?
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2014, 09:38:07 PM »
Took the wheel to the co-op and found that most of the spokes were too loose. The wheel was also out of round. The best guess from the tech was that riding on the wheel with the broken spoke(s) really screwed it up, and I didn't get it quite right after replacing the initial 2 breaks (I didn't know it was out of round). We worked on a truing stand and got it nearly perfect, with all spokes replaced and tightened as expected.

I haven't had a chance to ride on it yet, but I'll try and remember to notify this thread about how the ride goes... if it doesn't work out, I'll probably need a new wheel.

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Re: Bike Wheel Spokes?
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2014, 08:26:13 AM »
I would concur that it sounds like the tension was too high on the spokes.

My experience has been that wheels fail from loose spokes much more often than too tight spokes.