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Bike Locks and Chains: STRONGEST ever?
« on: November 24, 2013, 11:02:48 AM »
Anyone have ideas about bike locks and chains that are not easy to cut? I know kryptonite makes a really nice u-lock. But i need something bigger like a chain to wrap around my bike. Most chains are cheap and easy to cut.
For example, this type of chain is easy to cut: http://findingtheperfectfit.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/chain.jpg

Cable chains are also easy for thieves to cut:
http://accessories.mazdausa.com/wcsstore/AccessoriesAssetStore/images/catalog/fullimages/06_CableLock.jpg


Home depot has a lot of chains of different thicknesses, but they all seem like thievs can cut them with bolt cutters like this:  http://www.safasteners.co.za/uploads/8/1/8/7/8187786/632000_orig.jpg?362

Is there any place I can get a very thick chain that cannot be cut with bolt cutters?

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Re: Bike Locks and Chains: STRONGEST ever?
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2013, 11:18:03 AM »
Pretty much all bike lock manufacturers also make a chain. Kryptonite, OnGuard, etc. The difference between these and a home depot chain is that the lock-specific ones are hardened. They are also very thick and heavy, but thickness matters much less than hardness in this case.

Bottom line though, is that if someone wants your bike, they WILL find a way to take it. Nothing is immune to a cutoff wheel on an angle grinder. Sure it's loud, but it also only takes 30 seconds and most people won't say anything out of either apathy or fear. U-locks and chains are also susceptible to jacks, which expend inside either the shackle or a link to break it open. Your chain will also only be as strong as the lock you put on it. A lock is just a deterrent. Another deterrent is your locking technique (best - lock rear wheel with frame onto bike rack, lock front wheel to frame, or take the front wheel off and lock all 3 together at the same time), and that won't cost you a $150 chain to learn. Also bring the bike inside every night.

FWIW I use a Kryptonite Mini U-lock and have never had a problem with some pretty nice bikes ($500-$1000 range) in an urban-ish area. I lock around the seatstays and through the rear wheel, and leave the front unlocked (bad me, tsk tsk). The Mini is less susceptible to jacking because there's basically nowhere to put one once the bike is locked to something, plus it's a little less expensive.

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Re: Bike Locks and Chains: STRONGEST ever?
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2013, 12:29:13 PM »
what particular mini u lock model do you have?

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Re: Bike Locks and Chains: STRONGEST ever?
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2013, 12:34:36 PM »
http://www.kryptonitelock.com/Pages/ProductInformation.aspx?PNumber=000983

I also like that I can carry it in the back pocket of my jeans. Anything bigger wouldn't fit.
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Re: Bike Locks and Chains: STRONGEST ever?
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2013, 12:37:11 PM »
http://www.kryptonitelock.com/Pages/ProductInformation.aspx?PNumber=997986

this one is not the one I have, but is supposedly even tougher. Also heavier and more pricey. At some point I don't think it really makes a difference

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Re: Bike Locks and Chains: STRONGEST ever?
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2013, 01:00:10 PM »
Is there any place I can get a very thick chain that cannot be cut with bolt cutters?

The short answer is "no".

The long answer is that the heavier cables I've seen in the stores seem to be sufficient deterrent.  The bikes that get stolen generally have the really cheap chains on them.  If your bike is specifically targeted, there's nothing you can do (so, having a dirt cheap commuter bike is the way to go as it's not likely to be targeted).  Beyond that, you just want to make it inconvenient for someone to take your bike.  Joyriders/spur of the moment thefts will be discouraged by anything that's not easy to break with tools they might have in their pockets already.  Pros with cable cutters aren't going to waste their time on a cheap beater bike.

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Re: Bike Locks and Chains: STRONGEST ever?
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2013, 06:38:58 AM »
I think that a decent u-lock and cable used correctly are pretty strong deterrent for most thieves.  Why are you so set on getting a chain?

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Re: Bike Locks and Chains: STRONGEST ever?
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2013, 01:00:05 PM »
The best advice I've heard, if you're really worried about theft, is to use two locks: one U-lock plus an independent cable lock. When I do this I use the U-lock to lock the frame & front wheel, then the cable to lock the frame and rear wheel. This requires the bike thief to have two different tools with them to steal your bike. Since most other bikes are not double-locked, a thief is unlikely to be carrying everything they need and will go after a less secured bike they can steal with what they have.

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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2013, 05:24:36 PM »
I think that a decent u-lock and cable used correctly are pretty strong deterrent for most thieves.  Why are you so set on getting a chain?

I thought that cables are cheaper and easier for thieves to cut as compared to a chain. I want something like a chain so I can have more space to wrap it around my bike and wheels. A u-lock by itself will not allow me to lock all the wheels.

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Re: Bike Locks and Chains: STRONGEST ever?
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2013, 08:50:52 PM »
Is there any place I can get a very thick chain that cannot be cut with bolt cutters?
The short answer is "no".
The longer answer is yes:
http://www.amazon.com/Kryptonite-999515-Evolution-Series-4-Orange/dp/B001KQ5ZRG

I own one. It weighs eight pounds. It usually isn't worth riding with, and I think I might sell it in summer. It is sometimes useful when I go riding to a place where the bike racks will be filled, and I need to lock to a lamppost or other large object.

Most of the time, I use two mini U-locks, one for each wheel. I commute in New York City and haven't had theft troubles. They slip right into the back pockets of my jeans.

Kryptonite has also started making a couple integrated chain locks that seem significantly easier to use, in various security levels:
http://www.amazon.com/Kryptonite-Keeper-Integrated-Bicycle-32-Inch/dp/B005YPK7V8/ref=zg_tr_194614011_15
http://www.amazon.com/Kryptonite-Kryptolok-Intgr-720018-000839/dp/B007GR48VM/ref=zg_tr_194614011_27
http://www.amazon.com/Kryptonite-Evolution-Integrated-Chain-1090/dp/B005YPK8V2/ref=pd_sim_sbs_auto_8

If your bike is cheap, the cheap one is fine. If your bike is expensive, the mid-level one should be good. If you live in a theft-prone city, get the expensive one. Though they wouldn't wrap around both wheels-- a secondary cable is fine, unless you have unduly nice wheels for a commuter, in which case you should use a secondary U-lock.

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Re: Bike Locks and Chains: STRONGEST ever?
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2013, 09:12:23 PM »
Give me a bolt cutter long enough and a place to stand, and I will cut your lock
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Re: Bike Locks and Chains: STRONGEST ever?
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2013, 06:28:23 AM »
I think that a decent u-lock and cable used correctly are pretty strong deterrent for most thieves.  Why are you so set on getting a chain?

I thought that cables are cheaper and easier for thieves to cut as compared to a chain. I want something like a chain so I can have more space to wrap it around my bike and wheels. A u-lock by itself will not allow me to lock all the wheels.

That's why you would use the U-lock as well:


Between the two of them I'd say you're more secure than just using a chain, regardless of thickness.