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bike headlight without batteries...
« on: July 25, 2013, 02:22:13 PM »

.i remember back in the day bikes had those little generators on them to power a headlight...
.wondering if there is a way to put one of those on my bike to power an LED headlight....
.or if there is one built that way that i can purchase, though i don't mind building it...
.basically don't want to really purchase batteries of either sort, not really good for the environment etc...

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Re: bike headlight without batteries...
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2013, 03:23:08 PM »
Those old-style rim generators are hard to find now. Modern generator lights use a hub generator for the most part, but these are quite expensive.

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Re: bike headlight without batteries...
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2013, 03:28:19 PM »
Those old-style rim generators are hard to find now. Modern generator lights use a hub generator for the most part, but these are quite expensive.

I see several choices on Amazon ranging from $15-$45.  I'm not much of a cyclist, so I can't vouch for the quality of any of them.

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Re: bike headlight without batteries...
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2013, 10:04:59 PM »
Bottle dynamoes are what were common in the old days, and are generally only built for the very low-end market these days.

If you're averse to throwing away batteries, many bike lights use built-in rechargable batteries. If not, they work very well with rechargable AAAs.

You can also retrofit your bike with a hub dynamo, but that's a relatively expensive process as the hub dynamo is an expensive component and you have to buy a whole new front wheel. That's why pretty much every American bicyclist uses a battery-powered detachable light.

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Re: bike headlight without batteries...
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2013, 08:54:37 AM »
Those old bottle generators took a lot of push for not  a whole lot of light. Coupled with an LED it might be better, but... the friction drive on the tyre is just hugely inefficient. That's why hub generators are the norm now. As someone said, though, expensive.
 I just pop rechargeable AAs in my lights, and they last for many moons indeed.

If batteries are really something you despise, and you don't want to shell out for a hub generator, I've often thought you could do something similar using a disk-break wheel: mount magnets on the disk, and wind yourself a stator in a similar manner to the generators they build  for wind turbines on otherpower.com. You'd still be able to break with it  (kinda) by shorting the generator. If it works to stop fright trains...

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Re: bike headlight without batteries...
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2013, 09:38:49 AM »
The most important drawback I'd like to add is that, without a battery, you'll only be generating light while moving.  As soon as you stop at a red light/stop sign, you'll disappear from sight.  I've also converged on using lights with rechargeable AA/AAA batteries. 

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Re: bike headlight without batteries...
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2013, 07:17:52 PM »
I have Reelights on my bike, and I love them. They aren't DIY and they aren't cheap, but they are basically daytime (and nighttime) running lights for your bike. They add no perceptible friction to the wheel. They even make a version with a capacitor that continues to shine for a bit after you have stopped.

This is the version with capacitor:
www.amazon.com/Reelight-Flashing-Compact-Bicycle-Headlight/dp/B001PLEIBU/

I have the ones without the capacitor (sl100), and I don't mind. I usually use a few lights when I'm riding at night unless it's a quick trip, so lack of light while stopped isn't a problem. They aren't bright enough to see where you are going, but they are enough to be seen.

It doesn't seem like much, but it's really nice to have lights that never need batteries and that I can never forget to turn on/off. And with my security skewers they are difficult to steal, so I can leave them on the bike all the time.

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Re: bike headlight without batteries...
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2013, 08:44:08 PM »
I have a dyno hub wheelset on my commuter bike.  A small blinky LED light is sufficient if you goal is to be seen, but to ride in the dark and have enough light to ride safely, a dyno hub or a MTB style light with a big battery are necessary. 

I highly recommend the dyno hub if you're a dedicated commuter.  No worries about batteries or even rechargeable USB lights.  I just get on and go and my lights work.  I have a headlight that has a capacitor so that it shines when the bike is stopped.

Harris Cyclery sells hubs and prebuilt wheels.  Alternatively, pretty much any bike shop that deals with QBP (big parts distributor) can build you a custom set.  My wheels, with bomb proof Origin8 Track Attack rims, were about $300.

http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/lighting/shimano.html

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Re: bike headlight without batteries...
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2013, 07:28:10 PM »
I have a dyno hub wheelset on my commuter bike.  A small blinky LED light is sufficient if you goal is to be seen, but to ride in the dark and have enough light to ride safely, a dyno hub or a MTB style light with a big battery are necessary. 
Things have gotten shockingly better even over past two or three years. Three years ago, the best light-up-the-road headlight under $100 was the Magicshine, with a huge external battery that was recalled for exploding. Nowadays, there are a whole ton of compact one-piece options well under $100:
http://www.amazon.com/NiteRider-Lumina-350-Rechargable-Headlight/dp/B008RLRMNC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1375493111&sr=8-2&keywords=niterider
http://www.amazon.com/Metro-300-USB-Rechargeable-Headlight/dp/B008RM08X2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375493135&sr=8-1&keywords=cygolite
http://www.amazon.com/Expilion-700-USB-Rechargeable-Headlight/dp/B0090Q5CTY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1375493144&sr=8-3&keywords=cygolite

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Re: bike headlight without batteries...
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2013, 07:09:08 PM »
If you're just needing decent light, you can go to www.dealextreme.com and get a couple of Cree LED flashlights, and strap them to the handlebars with a couple of mounts, and you have decent light output for less than $50.

If you buy a dyno wheel, it will run you upwards of $150. I built my own front dynohub wheel with a Sanyo H27 hub (which ran me about $45 plus $8 worth of spokes), an MR16 track-lighting 12V LED bulb (was $10) and put it in a housing made for MR16 halogen driving lights ($10). It's bright enough to see in total darkness, never needs charging. I used a $7 LED trailer marking light as a tail light. Works as well as a $300 setup, cost me ~$85 for everything.

Bringing badassity to a new level!

Here's the wheel freshly built:


Here it is on my bike:


Here's a shot when I first tested it out with a battery. 4W LED puts out plenty light.

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Re: bike headlight without batteries...
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2013, 09:05:19 PM »
that's pretty impressive...
very nice bike too....
it looks great on the bike...

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Re: bike headlight without batteries...
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2013, 09:10:22 PM »
that's pretty impressive...
very nice bike too....
it looks great on the bike...

Thanks! Built it from spare parts, saved about $600. I need to get back to using it.

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Re: bike headlight without batteries...
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2013, 05:00:27 PM »
Darn, I can't find the link now, but just the other day I ran across a Danish company that makes these lights powered by magnets I believe one installs on the wheel (spokes?). Pretty sure they were not the hub kind and definitely not the bottle kind. I can't even remember the name, but I know my tiny cute local bike shop carries them, so I'm going to go check them out and report back here.

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Re: bike headlight without batteries...
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2013, 08:36:47 PM »
Darn, I can't find the link now, but just the other day I ran across a Danish company that makes these lights powered by magnets I believe one installs on the wheel (spokes?). Pretty sure they were not the hub kind and definitely not the bottle kind. I can't even remember the name, but I know my tiny cute local bike shop carries them, so I'm going to go check them out and report back here.

I've seen those, it was a kickstarter thing. It was kind of expensive, too... probably not as cheap as a good LED flashlight setup. The technology is cool, but not developed enough yet, and definitely not cheap enough. Projected price is "less than $200".

Found it:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dynamodirk/magnic-light-get-new-energy?ref=category

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Re: bike headlight without batteries...
« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2013, 06:56:20 AM »
Darn, I can't find the link now, but just the other day I ran across a Danish company that makes these lights powered by magnets I believe one installs on the wheel (spokes?). Pretty sure they were not the hub kind and definitely not the bottle kind. I can't even remember the name, but I know my tiny cute local bike shop carries them, so I'm going to go check them out and report back here.

I've seen those, it was a kickstarter thing. It was kind of expensive, too... probably not as cheap as a good LED flashlight setup. The technology is cool, but not developed enough yet, and definitely not cheap enough. Projected price is "less than $200".

Found it:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dynamodirk/magnic-light-get-new-energy?ref=category

Actually, it wasn't that one. It was this one.

http://www.reelight.com/

This one looks a lot more developed and more practical. (Don't forget the Danish have got that city biking thing down!). I'm not sure what the price is, I will call the bike shop today. I'm guessing it's high end and not as cheap as an LED flashlight, but for us mustachians who call their bikes their transportations, it may make sense.

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Re: bike headlight without batteries...
« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2013, 11:17:01 AM »
Actually, it wasn't that one. It was this one.

http://www.reelight.com/

This one looks a lot more developed and more practical. (Don't forget the Danish have got that city biking thing down!). I'm not sure what the price is, I will call the bike shop today. I'm guessing it's high end and not as cheap as an LED flashlight, but for us mustachians who call their bikes their transportations, it may make sense.

Go to the products page, it has prices for the different versions. The most basic steady-on lights are € 47.00 a set (about $63, not including shipping) for some very small lights.

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Re: bike headlight without batteries...
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2013, 05:49:11 PM »
If you buy a dyno wheel, it will run you upwards of $150. I built my own front dynohub wheel with a Sanyo H27 hub (which ran me about $45 plus $8 worth of spokes), an MR16 track-lighting 12V LED bulb (was $10) and put it in a housing made for MR16 halogen driving lights ($10). It's bright enough to see in total darkness, never needs charging. I used a $7 LED trailer marking light as a tail light. Works as well as a $300 setup, cost me ~$85 for everything.

The MR16 light you linked is a 12V, wouldn't it need to be 6V for this Sanyo hub?

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Re: bike headlight without batteries...
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2013, 05:42:03 AM »
If you buy a dyno wheel, it will run you upwards of $150. I built my own front dynohub wheel with a Sanyo H27 hub (which ran me about $45 plus $8 worth of spokes), an MR16 track-lighting 12V LED bulb (was $10) and put it in a housing made for MR16 halogen driving lights ($10). It's bright enough to see in total darkness, never needs charging. I used a $7 LED trailer marking light as a tail light. Works as well as a $300 setup, cost me ~$85 for everything.

The MR16 light you linked is a 12V, wouldn't it need to be 6V for this Sanyo hub?

I wondered about that when I bought it, but it works fine, 100%. Apparently the dynohubs will put out more than 6V, I don't have the electrical math in front of me, but it does work.

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Re: bike headlight without batteries...
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2013, 07:52:28 AM »
I have tried many different bicycle lights over the years including:

1970's / 1980's

1) Eveready 2 "D" cell incandescent bulb lights.
    Verdict: heavy, dim light and unreliable and expensive to run.

2) Eveready Nightrider 2 "D" cell incandescent bulbs, upgraded to halogen bulbs and industrial capacity "D" cells
    Verdict: heavier, but better light and more reliable and after initial investment cost, cheaper to run.

3) Union tyre side-wall bottle dynamo + halogen light (at the front)
    Verdict: lots of work to install, but quite good lights but lots of drag and dynamo roller kept slipping against the tyre in wet conditions

1990's

4) Vistalite first generation LED lights using 2 "AA" batteries
    Verdict: better reliability, lighter, cheaper to run, but only suitable as see-me lights, not suitable for me to see where I am going.

2000's

5) Sturmey Arched Dynohub + halogen lights (also continued to use Vistalites as backup for dynamo)
    Verdict: a lot of effort (and cost) to set up, pretty good lights (at least for that era), low drag, but occasionally blew halogen bulbs.

2010's

6) 3 bicycles fitted with more modern Shimano dynamo hubs and LED lights
    and 1 bike fitted with Nordlicht bottle dynamo running against a tyre with dedicated dynamo running track on the side-wall which virtually eliminates slipping in the wet.

    All 4 use Busch & Muller Toplight Line Plus rear LED lights
    Verdict: very effective / visible and includes a good rear reflector too,
    all mounted on the end of a rear rack on each bike.

6a) Schmidt E6 halogen (fitted to the bike with the Nordlicht dynamo)
      Verdict: very good light, for a halogen light that is (LED are much better)
 
6b) SON Edelux LED headlight.
      Verdict: a really well constructed light with good light output. I like the automatic light-sensor switching (although it is a bit conservative about what it considers to be low light so it is on quite a lot of the time on dull winter days). The only problem is it is far too expensive - very unmustachian.

6c) Busch&Muller Cyo T
      Verdict: about 1/2 of the price of the Edelux and just as good a light output, also rather lighter (i.e. plastic rather than aluminium) construction. Also has light-sensor switching which works well.

6d) Philips Saferide LED *dynamo* light.
      Verdict: Only a little more expensive than the Cyo, construction (apart from the too flexible mounting bracket) at least as good as the Cyo, but with an aluminium case which is a bit more solid but is also heavier. No light-sensor switching, which is a feature I miss a bit, but not that much.

7) As a backup for all 4 bicycles, I use a pair of Cateye Rapid 3 (front + rear), which are trivially moved between bicycles.

What would I buy again?

Answer: a dynamo hub, B&M Top Light Line Plus, Philips Saferide LED dynamo light and front and rear Cateye Rapid 3 as backup lighting.

Reason: this is currently the best of the various options out there (in the UK / Europe) that give very good light output (in an on-coming traffic friendly way) at a reasonable price point (for me that is) and a reasonable construction / manufacturing quality and in the last 3 years have provided utterly reliable lighting.

P.S. all the dynamo-powered lights provide a "stand-light" which keeps front and rear lights lit even when stationary for at least 4 minutes (nearly 10 minutes for the Philips Saferide).
(And 4 minutes seems longer than the original Eveready lights used to stay working for.)

Just my 2p worth

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Re: bike headlight without batteries...
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2014, 12:28:59 PM »
Dynohubs were first on the scene in the early 50's when Sturmey Archer introduced the G6.  They were billed as a back up lighting system for bomb shelters.   They were mostly put on the high end models from the English bike manufacturers, though I do occasionally see them on old three speed Schwinns and such as well.

Their out put was/is 6 volts, and the one on my 71 Superbe, still works great.  Doesn't really put out enough to see well, but I'm riding in an urban environment, and dont' need it other than to be legal.  I can replace the old incandent bulb, with a specific LED, but I'm in no hurry.

Modern bottle dynos are getting better than the old ones.  But personally, I'd forget about all that (dynohubs included) and watch this technology take off. [urlhttps://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dynamodirk/magnic-light-ic-intelligent-contactless-bicycle-dy?ref=live][/url]