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Best Barns kit
« on: September 14, 2023, 10:53:37 AM »
Has anyone assembled a Best Barns kit? They look really nice, but then I started doing the math and I think the materials are marked up about 3x just to avoid having to cut some angles?! I can do math and cut angles about as well as anyone... is there any reason not to skip the kit but follow their instructions? Is there something I'm missing?

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Re: Best Barns kit
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2023, 01:45:44 PM »
Couldn't find any of their plans, but it's possible they may use some prefabricated sections or other parts that might not be available outside the kit. Shouldn't be too hard to figure out a work around though.  I also noticed some of the kits leave out things like roofing material so it's really hard to get a feel for their pricing just looking at the base price. 

I've built a shed using free plans from these guys and found them pretty easy to follow: https://myoutdoorplans.com/free-outdoor-plans/

The shed is still standing despite my lackluster carpentry skills. :D 

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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2023, 03:12:41 PM »
I have never built one but looked at some of their plans found on this site:  http://bestbarns.info/manuals.php  The plans seem straight forward. I have built lots of small buildings over the years. One of the advantages of a kit that you might not have considered is that there won't be a lot of excess. If you are doing it yourself, count on a considerable amount of waste that you will have to deal with from sheathing, to just things sold in packs or lengths in excess of what you need for such a small shed. For example, they may nest various parts for multiple kits on one sheet of plywood but you will have to buy an entire sheet and may not use the rest or buy an entire 8' piece of J-channel just to use for one window, etc. Also, getting all the various elements will require many trips (gas, wear on vehicle) and lots of time spent looking for them at your local hardware/big box store where as the kits are delivered complete.  If you get things over multiple deliveries, there may be associated delivery fees, etc. I'm not trying to sway you one way or another but there are things to consider with the higher costs that might make a kit more attractive if fully considered.

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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2023, 03:39:47 PM »
I have never built one but looked at some of their plans found on this site:  http://bestbarns.info/manuals.php  The plans seem straight forward. I have built lots of small buildings over the years. One of the advantages of a kit that you might not have considered is that there won't be a lot of excess. If you are doing it yourself, count on a considerable amount of waste that you will have to deal with from sheathing, to just things sold in packs or lengths in excess of what you need for such a small shed. For example, they may nest various parts for multiple kits on one sheet of plywood but you will have to buy an entire sheet and may not use the rest or buy an entire 8' piece of J-channel just to use for one window, etc. Also, getting all the various elements will require many trips (gas, wear on vehicle) and lots of time spent looking for them at your local hardware/big box store where as the kits are delivered complete.  If you get things over multiple deliveries, there may be associated delivery fees, etc. I'm not trying to sway you one way or another but there are things to consider with the higher costs that might make a kit more attractive if fully considered.

Some thoughtful planning can reduce waste quite a bit. Making the building and walls in sizes that work for common building materials (dimensions divisible by 8 for example) goes a long way.

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Re: Best Barns kit
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2023, 07:00:35 AM »
Thank you, I appreciate the insight! I was looking at the myoutdoorplans.com guy initially and I think his instructions should help fill in the gaps (like what angle to cut gable ends) nicely. His plans definitely don't account for our snow loads nor do I think 2x6 joists 24OC in the loft is sufficient for a few tons of hay storage. One advantage of the Best Barns kit (I'm looking at the Roanoke 16x24) is a lot more finishing detail and bits that make it look like a real barn, such as eaves. I still think I could follow their instructions and cut those pieces myself though. The kit also comes with all the necessary fasteners, but there is NO WAY I'm pounding all those nails in by hand... I'll use a nail gun, thank you. So all that hardware really has no value to me.

Good point about the million trips to the store. Just hauling all the materials home will be a challenge for sure, but is delivery worth a few thousand? I seriously priced materials out at just under $4k, and the discounted kit is nearly $12k!

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Re: Best Barns kit
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2023, 07:41:49 AM »
is delivery worth a few thousand?

It really depends on a lot of factors that will vary between people. Off the top of my head, my answer would depend on what you would do with your time otherwise, distance from store, distance from home, accessibility to all the things you will need to complete the build, etc.

Another alternative that I have done in the past is to just go to a local mom and pop lumberyard with your plans and let them price out the materials. I recently did this with a 12 x 20 cabin. They delivered it in three or four different timed loads, all included in their price, and wasn't in a kit. It was strictly the raw materials I needed to build the cabin. Everything had to be cut to size but quantities were pretty close to what was needed. The cost was essentially materials, delivery fee plus a few hours labor to gather everything up.

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Re: Best Barns kit
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2023, 12:33:42 PM »
Has anyone assembled a Best Barns kit? They look really nice, but then I started doing the math and I think the materials are marked up about 3x just to avoid having to cut some angles?! I can do math and cut angles about as well as anyone... is there any reason not to skip the kit but follow their instructions? Is there something I'm missing?

Can you really? Have you done it before (built a roof)? Do you know how to use a framing square, where to attach the "stair buttons" on the square for different roof pitches, how to calculate rafter length, overhangs, how to cut the birds mouth, how high to set your ridge, how to layout the ridge?
If you have then, yes, the kit is not necessary. If the above is incomprehensible then you might be better served with the kit.
The kit is a time saver, and a skill multiplier.

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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2023, 02:10:49 PM »
Has anyone assembled a Best Barns kit? They look really nice, but then I started doing the math and I think the materials are marked up about 3x just to avoid having to cut some angles?! I can do math and cut angles about as well as anyone... is there any reason not to skip the kit but follow their instructions? Is there something I'm missing?

Can you really? Have you done it before (built a roof)? Do you know how to use a framing square, where to attach the "stair buttons" on the square for different roof pitches, how to calculate rafter length, overhangs, how to cut the birds mouth, how high to set your ridge, how to layout the ridge?
If you have then, yes, the kit is not necessary. If the above is incomprehensible then you might be better served with the kit.
The kit is a time saver, and a skill multiplier.

You got me there. I thought I could just follow these instructions. I am an engineer and have taken advanced math classes.... geometry is doesn't seem like rocket science to me. But this is exactly why I'm asking questions!

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Re: Best Barns kit
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2023, 04:23:28 PM »
Has anyone assembled a Best Barns kit? They look really nice, but then I started doing the math and I think the materials are marked up about 3x just to avoid having to cut some angles?! I can do math and cut angles about as well as anyone... is there any reason not to skip the kit but follow their instructions? Is there something I'm missing?

Can you really? Have you done it before (built a roof)? Do you know how to use a framing square, where to attach the "stair buttons" on the square for different roof pitches, how to calculate rafter length, overhangs, how to cut the birds mouth, how high to set your ridge, how to layout the ridge?
If you have then, yes, the kit is not necessary. If the above is incomprehensible then you might be better served with the kit.
The kit is a time saver, and a skill multiplier.

You got me there. I thought I could just follow these instructions. I am an engineer and have taken advanced math classes.... geometry is doesn't seem like rocket science to me. But this is exactly why I'm asking questions!

Haha, I knew you were an engineer just by how you figured you could build something even with no experience!
I bet you're right, though, you could build it. Like anything , there's a learning curve, you'd figure it out. Maybe not master carpenter level, but "good enough".
But I was trying to point out there's a little more to it than just cutting angles.
I think starting with a good set of plans would be very helpful, something with a cut list of materials.
Then you could go to a good lumber yard and get all the materials delivered.
I rarely ever haul material; let the lumber yard trucks deliver it.
Good yards have special forklifts called Moffits they can bring with the material delivery for unloading.
Then you can stage material in the order you'll need it.
If you have a good yard try to get an account there, they usually make it easier to do returns if you have an account.



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Re: Best Barns kit
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2023, 12:06:50 PM »
Not sure where you are but here we have 84 Lumber and they sell kits too. Might be worth cross shopping for price. Don't let these kit suppliers sell you minimum spec lumber for max price i.e. 2x3 lumber for 2x4 prices.

Not sure of your skill level but:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChuOzr1jQlrsV9msRymlyCg
https://www.youtube.com/c/AprilWilkerson/videos
https://www.ana-white.com/woodworking-projects

You might watch some of those videos and expand upon their ideas.

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Re: Best Barns kit
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2023, 11:32:30 AM »
I say build it yourself! I just recently built a 12X20 shed in my backyard and I am very much a novice at construction though I do have some light experience from house projects over the years.

Things I found the hardest was the birds mouth cuts and actually roofing the roof. OSB without tar / synthetic paper is very slick! Actually installing shingles is not thought provoking but it is hard work.

The myOutdoor plans is what I used a starting place for my own drawings. I wanted a slightly different door and window arrangement so I did a little hand drafting to lay that out.

If you're able to stomach the cost of multiple deliveries that is going to make the staging area needed so much smaller and you won't have to fight with giant tarps to keep your pallet of OSB dry ;) but you might struggle to make use of one time discounts. I ended up ordering everything all at once from Lowes and they took back the extra hurricane ties, tar paper and even some smart siding that I didn't use. There was a convenient 20% off your first purchase with a Lowes credit card. That saved ~$900. If you order from somewhere with returns you should definitely order a little extra so you don't have to stop progress from a single damaged sheet. Also if you're less experienced like me it's easy to mis measure after you're tired.

All in my shed cost approximately $6500. But that included site prep with about 10 tons of crushed stone as a base and several mistakes with wood and a dropped window. If you use nails and a nail gun I'd guess that would cut another ~$600 off the cost (framing screws are expensive) but I'm shocked you priced all materials at under $4k. Especially since you're pricing 16X24.

Good luck on the build!

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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2024, 12:27:39 PM »
Just stopping in to say, "I did it!" and I'm so, SO, pleased! Thanks to everyone here for the discussion, encouragement and critical thoughts. I actually was going to just spring for a kit, until I realized they weren't designed to our Northern Minnesota snow loads either! SO,  I spent a good month staying up after the kids went to bed designing my dream mini- barn. I combed through multiple DIY instructions and put together a plan (using windows collected for free off Marketplace) and a materials list and had it all delivered. My sister and I spent two weeks putting in as long of days as we could manage (between nursing the baby and feeding the other kids). DH took a few days off work to help with the heavier lifting days and I'm proud to say we got her done. It certainly would have been easier if at least one of us had SOME building experience, but we figured it out and learned a ton along the way. I figure we saved ourselves about $6k by skipping the kit. And I was able to make it exactly the way I wanted it, too! So pleased!

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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2024, 02:02:18 PM »
Good for you!  After reading through, I thought to myself "Damn!! Finished all that in 1 week!!" and then saw the conversation started a year and one week ago.  My only suggestion is to raise it on concrete blocks instead of having the wood directly in contact with the ground.

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Re: Best Barns kit
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2024, 03:55:21 PM »
Yay! It looks awesome!  I love the sense of accomplishment that comes with finishing a building project. :)
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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2024, 05:16:11 AM »
Congrats and thanks for the update! If I were you, I would fill in the gap between the bottom and the ground with hardware cloth and well draining gravel. One of the reasons I usually pay the premium and build my sheds on concrete pads is because I dislike the airgap underneath that usually becomes a breeding ground for rodents of all sorts from mice to skunks. You might have a difficult time preventing mice with hardware cloth alone unless you do a meticulous job, but it should prevent larger rodents from calling the underneath side of your new shed home.

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« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2024, 06:10:12 PM »
That looks great! Well done! 

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« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2025, 02:29:10 PM »
Nice job!!!

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« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2025, 06:29:21 PM »
Gorgeous <3
And you were taking care of little ones?!? I am so impressed!

 

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