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TheFarNorth

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Basement Insulation & Moisture
« on: September 18, 2014, 05:37:36 AM »
I'm a bit of a newcomer to DIY, but I've recently taken the plunge into a project and I could use some advice. I purchased a small starter home 2 years ago. The house is a 1 story bungalow with a finished basement. The concrete foundation is partially above ground (driveway is the same elevation as the basement floor, other 3 sides of the home are back filled. There is no exterior insulation around the foundation. The foundation is only about 4' high throughout the basement. We use the basement as a common area daily.

We noticed this summer that we were having some moisture issues (floor condensation on tiling) associated with some unseasonably hot days. In addition, our heating costs were high last winter, which was unseasonably cold. This prompted me to tear apart the basement walls to get a look at the foundation insulation.

To summarize what i found:
- Insulation is generic (white) Styrofoam, roughly 2" thick. No fiberglass.
- Insulation is just placed against the wall, behind the 2x3 framing, no adhesive, no anchors, no tape, no expanding foam around the edges (not airtight).
- Behind the wood stove there is: Brick firewall | Air gap | Concrete. This is the part of the house where the foundation is above ground.

My issues/questions:
- Is the Styrofoam OK to leave in, provide I can make it airtight? Is it worth replacing with purpose made foam insulation? Spray foam insulation?
- Can I insulate behind the firewall? We use the stove during the winter, but it doesn't burn 24h a day (usually gets lit at 5pm and burns into the night.  I feel this is a major source of heat loss when the stove is not lit.
- I plan to add fiberglass insulation against the foam and replace the existing wood paneling with drywall. Is it worth re-framing the half wall with 2x4s for the added thickness? or will 3" make enough of a difference? Obviously re-framing will create a lot of additional work/cost, but we can burn/re-purpose the old framing, so it's not so bad.

My current thinking (cheapest route) is to attempt to seal up the Styrofoam and add 3" of fiberglass insulation. However, while I've got the walls apart, maybe some additional cost will save $$$ in the long run. What would you do?

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Re: Basement Insulation & Moisture
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2014, 06:49:15 AM »
Styrofoam board against the foundation is pretty common and works well.  If it is installed properly it acts as insulation and a vapor barrier.  I am no expert, but I believe it should be attached to the wall with adhesive and the seams should be sealed with some sort of sealant.  My first step would be to address this issue and install the Styrofoam properly.  Although if it is just "generic" styrofoam I would want to figure out if it is the proper stuff for this application.

I'm not sure about the stove.  The only material I have seen behind fireplaces is bricks or ceramic tile.  Not sure if there is insulation behind that.

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Re: Basement Insulation & Moisture
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2014, 12:10:35 PM »
get some clear plastic - such as disposable painter's dropcloths - and tape 3 foot square sections to the basemwnt floor in various places.  Seal the edges well with the tape.  You will be looking for moisture appearing on the underside of the plastic.

if moisture appears after a few days it means you have no vapor barrier under the slab or poor foundation drains.  I would fix thesae first if they exist.

foam board insulation is fine below grade, not fiberglass

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Re: Basement Insulation & Moisture
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2014, 07:29:08 PM »
http://www.buildingscience.com/documents/digests/bsd-103-understanding-basements/

See figure 10.  We are finishing our basement and doing it just like that.  Glue foil faced closed cell foam board to the wall as first layer of insulation and vapor barrier.  Then seal all the seams and edges with a combination of tyvek tape and expanding foam spray.  Build walls and then insulate between the studs with unfaced fiberglass insulation.  Voilą.

We are also installing a wood stove.  You can insulate behind it provided you leave enough clearance per code, which will likely depend on whether your stove has a heat shield and its angle to the wall.