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Anti-insomnia machine [water cooling]
« on: February 09, 2015, 06:09:35 AM »
Slightly weird one here, but I thought I'd post it on MMM because you are an open minded, fix-it-yourself bunch.

To introduce, I have the very annoying problem of chronic primary insomnia. I almost always take an hour or more to get to sleep. I also often wake up in the middle of the night. This wastes my time and makes me less happy and effective during the day. I have no other psychological problems and, as best my doctors and I have been able to tell, no underlying physical problems either. As best I can remember, I have had this my entire life. Although I use them occasionally if it's very important that I'm awake the next day, I've generally avoided sleeping pills, since the evidence of their long term effectiveness is actually quite poor relative to the risk of side effects and addiction. I have an unfortunate natural variation in ability to sleep that is at the poorer end of normal and I just have to live with that.

Or so I thought. Recently I came across this article reporting research showing that simply fitting a water cooled cap to the heads of people like me at night pretty much eliminated the symptoms of insomnia in 75% of patients! The proposed mechanism is that the cooling reduces brain hyperactivity, which is proposed to be the cause of primary insomnia. The sample size is small, but if we're not seeing the effects of statistical noise here, this is much more effective than any current treatment, including the most powerful chemicals, and it's both non-invasive and completely safe.

The scientist who discovered this technique seems to really believe in it. So much so that he quit his professorship at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine to found a company to market it. The device is not yet available to purchase, seemingly due to the requirement for further trials, but it has in fact been patented.



I do not see anything that is novel in the equipment or set-up here, only the application. So, rather than suffer more years of my life damaged by insomnia waiting for the device (no doubt absurdly overpriced) to become available from a monopoly supplier, I want to build one myself and see if it works.

I am planning a preliminary experiment simply placing cold packs inside my pillow, but it seems that really you want to cool the front of the head, and that is a little more difficult. It would also be good to be able to control the temperature and to keep it constant all night, since a particular problem I have is waking up after 5-6 hours: not enough for a good night's sleep, but enough for the cool packs to have warmed up a lot!

Unfortunately I know little or nothing about water cooling. Basically, I am wondering if there's a cheap off-the-shelf device (perhaps from the hard core computer gaming side) that can produce and maintain a fixed chosen temperatures in the range of 10-20 degrees Celsius, with a malleable heat diffuser? I guess provided it's reasonably malleable, I can easily hold it in place by cannibalising a hat. One thing that would be key is low noise output, since a noisy room will also affect sleep.
« Last Edit: February 09, 2015, 06:27:56 AM by mdc »

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Re: Anti-insomnia machine
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2015, 06:18:11 AM »
Why not use a hot water bottle (you know, those things that you heat the bed up with if you don't have an electric blanket) - like this http://www.amcal.com.au/surgipack-reg%3B-hot-water-bottle-p-19313776069231?cm_mmc=Multichannel-_-PPC-_-Google-_-Google_Shopping_Ads&mkwid=iSSsS5ZH_dc&pcrid=65810060318&gclid=CL72q4r51MMCFcGTvQodUWkANw

You could fill it with cold water (and a few ice blocks if you want) and place it on your head. It will mold itself to the shape of your head. Or you could use a ziplock bag.

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Re: Anti-insomnia machine
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2015, 06:20:47 AM »
It's a similar concept to the coldpack-in-pillow idea, and sure I've considered it. Probably it would fall off as I'm not completely still, but of course I can tape a cold pack to my forehead or something.

But I think the main problem is how much energy that is going to be able to absorb before it heats up too much. I'm not sure I see it lasting several hours.

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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2015, 06:41:00 AM »
That is the beauty of using a hot water bottle. They have been designed to hold a fair bit of water, so it retains its heat during the night. You will also find that there are an enormous number of water bottle covers available (try your thrift store) - they used to be as common as tea cosies (covers for your tea pot to keep it warm). I am sure that a water bottle cover could easily be modified to attach a cap that keeps it in place while you sleep.

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Re: Anti-insomnia machine [water cooling]
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2015, 06:45:16 AM »
Hey mdc - I can commiserate with you on this one. I go through bouts of insomnia for the same reason as you: brain hyperactivity. I have occasionally taken a Benadryl or NyQuil when I have been a few days without enough sleep, but I've never taken any prescribed medication for insomnia. I'm so jealous of my wife, who can be snoozing within 5 minutes of being in bed, without fail. We will literally be having a conversation in bed, then 15 seconds later I will bring up something else, and she's already asleep.

Anyway, I find the water-cooled cap to be an interesting idea, but I thought I might throw another idea out there: self-hypnosis/meditation. Mindfulness is a skill that can be learned and improved, and I've found that whenever I'm facing a bout of insomnia that it helps tremendously. There are a lot of self-hypnosis tapes on YouTube that give you a general idea of the process to rest the body and quiet the mind. Once you've listened to them a few times, you can practice it on your own. (It may take some time to find a good hypnotist video: some of them are pretty quacky).

If you actually build your water-cooled contraption and have success with it, please post it back here, because it might be something I need to try at some point.

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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2015, 07:01:02 AM »
I read about this years ago, after already experiencing the joy of sleeping with a gel ice pack on my head for a headache a couple of times (my husband suggested it, so I tried it, and shazam, not only did it help my headache, I fell asleep very quickly). I have an anxiety disorder, so sometimes falling asleep is difficult, but an ice pack nearly always does the trick.

I put the ice pack on the back of my head/neck area (I fall asleep while laying on my back/side, so this position works well), mostly where my hair is, for extra insulation when the ice pack is really cold to begin with. I never put it on my forehead, because that sounds uncomfortable, and I don't seem to have a ton of blood flow to my forehead, whereas putting the ice pack on my neck seems to cool my overall body temp. If I really wanted it to stay on my forehead, I think I'd just put it in cap and wear the cap to sleep, though it seems some ice packs are designed to fit around limbs and have velcro attachments for this purpose, so perhaps velcroing an ice pack to your forehead would net the same result.

We have a few different gel packs that work well for this. One kind we bought at Target (it comes with a soft fabric sleeve to keep the pack in), and one we got from a physical therapist (the outer casing of the actual pack is soft fabric), each were less than $20. I wouldn't bother with building something, as you can test out if an ice pack does anything for you very easily and inexpensively.

Edited to add: if you wake up in the middle of the night and the ice pack has melted, just grab another out of the freezer. I've done that many times. Also, keeping your bedroom cool (we sometimes leave the window open in winter), breathable bedding, and a fan for white noise can achieve a nice effect, too.
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Re: Anti-insomnia machine [water cooling]
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2015, 07:11:25 AM »
The simplest ice pack solution I can think of (to prevent it falling off) would be to sew a case for it out of something thick & insulating (maybe polar fleece?  You don't want to "burn" your skin with ice), and sew an elastic band to the sides so it can be worn.  Thinking in the manner of eye masks that people sometimes wear to bed - make a forehead mask.

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Re: Anti-insomnia machine [water cooling]
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2015, 07:25:21 AM »
Good ideas here. I hadn't even thought of them. I will definitely be trying the ice pack idea.

Thanks

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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2015, 08:10:06 AM »
For anyone with more interest in the machine idea, here's a more formal source for the studies, published in a book by the professor who organised them.

For those suggesting ice packs and other lower-tech solutions: I will be trying this out, and I guess if it solves my problem, I won't proceed with the machine. If it doesn't, well, I'm quite looking forward to a building project :).

Mississippi Mudstache - Thanks for reminding me about the meditation approach. I haven't tried it yet, but I think this would help, and perhaps I should do it even if I solve the insomnia problem separately. But I'd still like to have "for free" what others do, if there's an easy tech fix. If you've got any particular resources you'd recommend, please post them.
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Re: Anti-insomnia machine [water cooling]
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2015, 02:47:47 PM »
Right, this is going to sound ridiculous but I go to costume conventions and wear a suit similar to Batman's.  (See avatar picture on the left.)  These latex cowls get insanely hot and most of these conventions are held right in the middle of summer.

Here's what the Batmen do and I think it would work for you as well.  We wear a "helmet beanie" or sweat skull cap (I'm not sure what these are actually called, but they breathe yet keep moisture from running everywhere) under the costume.  And inside they tuck two or three ice packets for a kids lunchbox.  The guys who are fancy have sewn their own pockets into the beanies especially to fit the gel packs.

The beanies look like this:  http://www.amazon.com/EVS-Sports-Sweat-Beanie-Black/dp/B006GFLI0O/ref=pd_bxgy_hi_img_y

And the ice packets look like this:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Toy-Story-Pixar-Disney-Ice-Pack-Kids-Boo-Boo-Budy-Cold-Gel-Bag-Food-Lunch-Box-/221195418439

You can get those gel/ice packets from most dollar stores (I paid $1 for a packet of 3), they're about 6" x 4",  and they will curve to the shape of your head.  The skull cap would also prevent the moisture/condensation from dripping all over your pillows.  ...The material they're made of dries super fast--it's fairly miraculous.
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Re: Anti-insomnia machine [water cooling]
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2015, 05:11:07 PM »
Buy an inflatable pillow, and fill it with water instead of air. Use it on top of your regular pillow, and it stays cool.  Change the water at least once per year.


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Re: Anti-insomnia machine [water cooling]
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2015, 09:58:53 AM »
Hi mdc, 

Just wondering if you have made any progress on the development of your brain cooling sleep device.  I'd like to try it as well and like you, would rather not have to wait for the commercial device. Thanks for any help you can provide to a fellow light and short sleeper.

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Re: Anti-insomnia machine [water cooling]
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2015, 07:02:55 PM »
I missed this thread the first time around, but here's a suggestion:  use the same technique that endurance race car drivers do.  They use a "cold shirt"--i.e. a shirt with flexible tubing sewn to it.  Two small tubes from the shirt down extend to a cooler full of ice water, with a small pump inside.  The pump circulates cold water through the shirt, and the size of the cooler allows it to run for a long time and remove a lot of heat.  You could do the same thing, just with a beanie instead of a shirt.

this guy did his own DIY version

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Re: Anti-insomnia machine [water cooling]
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2015, 10:11:59 AM »
a standard office water cooler produces cold water about the temperature you're looking for.  Perhaps you could hook up some sort of aquarium pump to cycle the water back into the container after it cools your pillow.  Look for an energy efficient model if you do it, those things can use quite a bit of energy.   

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« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2015, 10:27:15 AM »
I'm glad someone dug up this old post with a comment because I missed it the first time around and it sounds like exactly what I need. I think I will start off with the ice pack methods first to verify. I seem to have this problem about 3 or 4 weeks a year with several months in between episodes. Almost always it is because I can't seem to quite down my thinking processes at bed time or the wife says something like, "couldn't you build me this..." seconds before she drifts off.

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« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2015, 10:34:09 AM »
That post of the cooling shirt was interesting.  Would be easy to DIY a hat, pillow version, or even a mattress pad version. 

If the price didn't scare me away I would probably own one of these, ChiliPAD.  I'm not sure about the noise or cost to run, but it is interesting.

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« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2015, 10:36:57 AM »
We use very similar equipment to this post- surgically.

http://www.amazon.com/Polar-Products-Inc-Active-Therapy/dp/B001ALNM3A

Same idea. Pumps ice water through. Easy peasy. No need to build your own.

Although definitely just try an ice pack or water bottle first- much cheaper. A couple hours should be enough cold to get you asleep, and from your description, onset insomnia is the problem, not maintaining sleep.

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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2015, 07:56:22 PM »
We use very similar equipment to this post- surgically.

I have a system like that ready to go for my cool shirt setup (for my race car, as was noted above). You can find the pump setups cheap on craigslist/ebay if you look for a while.

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« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2015, 08:13:23 PM »
Have you tried cold wet socks? It's a hydrotherapy remedy for insomnia. Clean cotton socks, soaked in cold water, with a pair of wool socks on top.

If you're set on a cool head, why not a cold wet cotton cap/bandana topped with a wool hat.... or one of those cool gel bandanas marketed to menopausal women.

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« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2015, 07:04:54 AM »
I'm glad someone dug up this old post with a comment because I missed it the first time around and it sounds like exactly what I need. I think I will start off with the ice pack methods first to verify. I seem to have this problem about 3 or 4 weeks a year with several months in between episodes. Almost always it is because I can't seem to quite down my thinking processes at bed time or the wife says something like, "couldn't you build me this..." seconds before she drifts off.

Definitely try it! It works so well for me. Gel ice packs are like $10 are Target or Walgreens.

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« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2015, 07:24:26 AM »
I'm glad someone dug up this old post with a comment because I missed it the first time around and it sounds like exactly what I need. I think I will start off with the ice pack methods first to verify. I seem to have this problem about 3 or 4 weeks a year with several months in between episodes. Almost always it is because I can't seem to quite down my thinking processes at bed time or the wife says something like, "couldn't you build me this..." seconds before she drifts off.

Definitely try it! It works so well for me. Gel ice packs are like $10 are Target or Walgreens.

I had an episode Monday night and after a couple hours, gave up and grabbed the gel icepack my wife uses for her lunchbox and balanced in on my forehead. I fell asleep almost immediately and my wife went to work with warm ice packs. I have more on order now along with a beanie hat to hold them in place. I can't believe after all these years of fighting this thing, all I had to do was read a post on here to solve it.

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« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2015, 10:29:55 AM »
I'm glad someone dug up this old post with a comment because I missed it the first time around and it sounds like exactly what I need. I think I will start off with the ice pack methods first to verify. I seem to have this problem about 3 or 4 weeks a year with several months in between episodes. Almost always it is because I can't seem to quite down my thinking processes at bed time or the wife says something like, "couldn't you build me this..." seconds before she drifts off.

Definitely try it! It works so well for me. Gel ice packs are like $10 are Target or Walgreens.

I had an episode Monday night and after a couple hours, gave up and grabbed the gel icepack my wife uses for her lunchbox and balanced in on my forehead. I fell asleep almost immediately and my wife went to work with warm ice packs. I have more on order now along with a beanie hat to hold them in place. I can't believe after all these years of fighting this thing, all I had to do was read a post on here to solve it.

Yay!! That's so great. I'm so very glad it worked for you. It's so easy and simple, it almost sounds impossible, but sometimes things in life really are that easy. :)

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« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2015, 02:35:10 AM »
Wow, I have insomnia (checks time stamp... obviously) and I want to try this.

My first though is to use a peltier device since that doesn't need water flow and operates solely on electricity.  Maybe combined with a water bottle to disperse the cooling effect.  They are not super expensive ... see this as an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeLa72oSf3c

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« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2015, 10:00:27 AM »
I haven't been diagnosed with insomnia or anything, but I really REALLY enjoy getting into a cool bed with an ice cold pillow. I have trouble falling asleep if the bed or pillow are already warm (like when my SO falls asleep on my half of the bed). I can see the merit of this sort of treatment and I'm curious if it would help non-insomniacs fall asleep faster. I already know if the conditions are right I'm asleep 5 minutes after hitting the pillow. Other nights I'll be awake for an hour but I attribute that to caffeine at the wrong time of the day.

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« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2015, 01:57:37 PM »
dragoncar and enki, try the gel ice pack method for a cheap option. Cooling the brain is scientifically proven to help insomniacs fall asleep faster than non-insomniacs in a study: http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/17/tip-for-insomniacs-cool-your-head-to-fall-asleep/ I definitely don't have insomnia, but I have anxiety and sometimes it's just hard to stop the thoughts at bedtime. The gel ice pack nearly always does the trick.

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« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2015, 11:32:26 AM »
I missed this thread the first time too!  I suffer from headaches occasionally, and I have these products:

Cranial Cap
http://www.amazon.com/Elasto-Gel-Cranial-Cap-Medium-CAP600/dp/B000FHFNDW
Ice Helmet

The elasto-fabric is very smooth and comfortable and the velcro keeps everything in place.  Sometimes I wear the cranial cap to do chores while I'm having hot flashes too. 

Place them in the freezer, use them.  My hair keeps them from getting too cold against my skin.  Only problem is that they don't stay cold for 8 hours.  I usually just switch mine out as needed, but that doesn't help when you're trying to stay asleep all night.

 

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« Reply #26 on: December 21, 2015, 09:07:25 PM »
As someone who started early menopause as she moved to a very hot Texas I can highly recommend this pillow.
http://www.amazon.com/CHILLOW-Pillow-Cooling-Pad-21/dp/B00GRT48HO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1450757101&sr=8-1&keywords=chillow+pillow

It feels lovely and cool and stays that way,  you don't need to chill it.  I put it inside my pillowcase and it was lovely....

 

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