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Alternator / battery questions
« on: October 19, 2020, 09:03:34 PM »
Hi all.

1993 Lexus GS300 with 188K miles.  New Interstate battery with five year warranty put in January 2017.

Driving home the other day the electrical system started failing (dim clock, radio shut off).  Pulled over, turned off the engine, car wouldn't start.  Got a jump, took it to the auto parts store and they confirmed the alternator was bad.

Bought and installed a new alternator, let the car idle for about half an hour then drove it on the freeway for about 20 miles, then took it to the auto parts store.  They confirmed the alternator was good, but the battery tester said the battery was bad.  However, the car started just fine three times tonight.

Question 1:  Could the battery have tested as "bad" simply because I just replaced the alternator today?  I'm sure the battery itself was low of charge, and I don't know how long it takes for the battery to recover in this kind of situation.

Question 2:  In the situation I described, would you replace the battery if the car is starting and running just fine?

Question 3:  If I take it back to the auto parts store after driving it around for a week, is it plausible that the battery will test good?

I bought the new alternator from rockauto.com and have the option to return the old alternator and get the core charge back.  Their website seems to imply that I should be returning the same brand and model of alternator, but if I do the return I'd be sending them the original OEM alternator (that is 27 years old and just died).

Question 4:  This is normal and they'll give me credit for the core, right?

Even if they don't give me the credit, I might just ship it back to them anyway since the shipping is free and it'll be up to them to responsibly dispose of the old alternator.  I guess I'm simply curious if I'll get the core credit or not.

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Re: Alternator / battery questions
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2020, 09:26:29 PM »
A1. Yes.
A2. No, if the car fails to start just get a new battery under your warranty.
A3. Probably yes, but they will be keen to sell a new battery to you!
A4. Yes.

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Re: Alternator / battery questions
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2020, 10:18:45 PM »
A1. Yes.
A2. No, if the car fails to start just get a new battery under your warranty.
A3. Probably yes, but they will be keen to sell a new battery to you!
A4. Yes.

Thanks for the answers!

I kind of suspected that they were interested in selling me a new battery, so I held off.

I think I'll drive it around for a week and then have them (or a different auto store) test it again and see what happens.

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Re: Alternator / battery questions
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2020, 06:36:58 AM »
Typically, when you have a battery that's a few years old, it's a good idea to replace it when you're replacing the alternator. That 5 year warranty doesn't factor in a failing alternator, and an alternator that's going bad can 'go bad' over an extended period of time (days or weeks) - causing repeated deep cycling of the battery which reduces the lifetime of the battery.

If your alternator failed suddenly and quickly, you battery is likely fine. If the alternator failed slowly, your battery could be closer to the end of its life than you think. This is an extreme anecdote (as in, it likely won't happen to most people), but years ago we had a car with a dead alternator and an older battery - naturally, we swapped the alternator and kept the older but still barely warranted battery. About a day later, the new alternator bit the dust - the old battery was so depleted that the new alternator burned itself out trying to keep the electrical system operational.

Now that it's getting cold, I'd keep an extra eye on the battery, especially how long it takes to turn the car over in the morning. If it's struggling, it would be good to swap the battery. I think the parts store was probably trying to sell you a battery that you may not have needed, but they had a just cause to recommend the swap.

Oh, and when you send the core back, they're not looking for the same brand of part, they're looking for the part that would have been installed on the car be it OEM or aftermarket.

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Re: Alternator / battery questions
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2020, 11:32:29 AM »
Question 1:  Could the battery have tested as "bad" simply because I just replaced the alternator today?  I'm sure the battery itself was low of charge, and I don't know how long it takes for the battery to recover in this kind of situation.
A completely dead battery will be fully charged in about 15 minutes of idling with a good alternator.  Faster than that if you're actually driving somewhere.

Repeated "deep" discharges can damage a battery.  This might be the case if the previous alternator has been charging poorly for a long time. 

Bonus: if the battery is bad, it can damage the alternator.  I've had numerous problems with batteries and alternators in my Toyota, and finally ended up replacing both simultaneously. 

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Question 2:  In the situation I described, would you replace the battery if the car is starting and running just fine?

Yes.  The auto parts store tests the extremes.  If it takes 200 amps to start your car, and your battery delivers 201, then your car will start fine.  But it's going to fail on a cold day, when you are inconveniently far away from the auto parts store.

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Question 3:  If I take it back to the auto parts store after driving it around for a week, is it plausible that the battery will test good?

It's possible; doesn't hurt to try. 

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I bought the new alternator from rockauto.com and have the option to return the old alternator and get the core charge back.  Their website seems to imply that I should be returning the same brand and model of alternator, but if I do the return I'd be sending them the original OEM alternator (that is 27 years old and just died).

Question 4:  This is normal and they'll give me credit for the core, right?

My experience with brick-and-mortar stores is that they give you credit for anything.  I believe there's some kind of market where all these good and bad car parts find their way to whoever can fix them and resell them.  I don't know about online, but I suspect it's probably similar.  You might want to ask though.   


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Re: Alternator / battery questions
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2020, 10:28:11 PM »
A1. Yes.
A2. No, if the car fails to start just get a new battery under your warranty.
A3. Probably yes, but they will be keen to sell a new battery to you!
A4. Yes.

Thanks for the answers!

I kind of suspected that they were interested in selling me a new battery, so I held off.

I think I'll drive it around for a week and then have them (or a different auto store) test it again and see what happens.

No worries! Fact is, selling a new battery pays a bonus commission in some shops and many roadside assist organisations (at least here in Australia).....this means some batteries are replaced before their time.
Personally I think your plan is good. If it is starting the car but reads borderline when tested, then it is just a matter of time as the weather cools.....

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Re: Alternator / battery questions
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2020, 09:32:50 AM »
I'll second everything said up thread. Dealt with a bad alternator for several months. It would charge okay some of the time, and fail other times.

In the end I needed a new alternator but then the battery was damaged by being deep cycled so many times. Replaced battery.

Car has been A+ ever since.

 

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