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Our New $237/month Health Insurance Plan
« on: November 02, 2012, 06:59:31 AM »
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/11/01/our-new-237-per-month-health-insurance-plan/

Let's further the discussion here. I'm going to follow the comments on the post, but the forum thread is easier for me to follow, so I thought I'd get this started.

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Re: Our New $237/month Health Insurance Plan
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2012, 11:48:50 AM »
Its a good topic and as I have said elsewhere I am concerned about health care. I still don't like the casualness that MMM brings to the subject such as I am health and its fine and if not I get job.  To me that is worst case and to cut $20k out the budget would be tough even for him assuming no job.  FIRE to me is not having to work EVER if I don't want to - doesn't mean I won't it just means I don't want to be in a position of needing to.  Not to mention if the particular health issues that is causing the $20k then you may not be able to work.  Plus if rates rise dramatically over time or they boot you from the plan you may not have similar options.

While I am not a supporter of Obamacare there are some good things that can help with the issues - my biggest issue is that we already have a government healthcare system, which should have been the starting point (reforming it, doing away with waste and fraud, and then expanding it).

I have a HD plan and kids went to doctors in September they billed $185 each (x3) as that was the member preferred discounted rate - I know damn well that insurance company wasn't paying that when I was on a full plan.  Asked DW to call the office and address this - cash pay rates are now $90 per visit, whichs is great because I figured they would be $100-115. Point is always ask.

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Re: Our New $237/month Health Insurance Plan
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2012, 03:50:05 PM »
Well, I retired in May (age 55, so I'm a bit older than most on here) and the only reason I could is because starting at that age, I became eligible for 1/2 price insurance from my employer. If I'd retired before age 55, I'd have been on my own and in NY we just don't have all these wonderful el-cheapo options. At least they're not listed on e-Health Insurance. Cheap plans are available but only if you qualify by way of extremely low income and you have to have been without insurance for 6 months or more. In my case, I have a pre-existing condition that basically precludes me from getting affordable insurance on my own.

Right now, my "half-price" insurance is costing me $341/month. That's split between $260 for the health coverage and $81 for prescription coverage. Last year, the health coverage jumped 19.4% and the prescription jumped 5.1% to their current levels. FWIW, the very same plan cost $111 and $37 back in 2003. It Is a "Cadillac plan" however, as that's what I was grandfathered into before I retired. They offer no other options - it's take it or leave it, though I could dump the prescription coverage if I wanted (which I don't). I'll find out sometime this month (IIRC) what the new cost will be in January.

Like tooqk4u22, I'm a little bothered at MMM's attitude about this; I think he's a mite bit casual and perhaps a bit smug about it. It's  not as simple for everyone. The situation varies from state-to-state and I'm hoping it improves after 1/1/14 but I don't know. From what I have read though, with my income I probably will qualify for some sort of subsidy once "Obamacare" kicks in for real, but I'll have to dump my Cadillac plan and go with one offered by the state "exchange" (if I'm understanding it correctly).

And I'll be interested to see how fast MMM's premiums climb. As others noted in the comments, it won't be $237 for very long, I'm sure.

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Re: Our New $237/month Health Insurance Plan
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2012, 06:00:54 PM »
Well, this was an option brought up by me in the old thread, and I know some of you fine folks whom I respect and enjoy the company of will get your hackles mussed again given the whole separation of church and state thing... but it should be pointed out that some people who are devout faithful have very frugal alternative options, both before and after the implementation of Obamacare: Health Care Sharing Ministries.

It's not actual health insurance, it's basically a non-profit organization the adheres to strict auditing that allows other people to pay for your medical bills under strict adherence policies that allow you to qualify, and in order to participate, you must pay for others bills as well, even when you aren't sick. There's Christian Care Ministry's Medi-Share program that I know of, but I'm sure there's a few others floating around as well. The point is, it's cheaper than insurance to participate in, and participation in the program allows an exemption from the ACA once it comes into effect as you've basically opted to be a part of a fully self-insured societal group, so you no longer need to buy insurance nor are you an impacting participant of the insurance industry.

I wrote a rather lengthy piece on the politics of the ACA, the value of medical ministries as a cost-saving measure in general, and the significance and importance of this exemption in the ACA for the very crazy people who seem to want it repealed the most: the religious right. (have a link) Anyway, as an illustration point, MMM's family share on $10k out of pocket annual coverage within the ministry is a whole $100 cheaper a month than their current insurance plan. There will be caveats in order to participate, of course, but given what it can do for the price you pay for those who can qualify, it's a very valid option to be aware of and to research.

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Re: Our New $237/month Health Insurance Plan
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2012, 10:21:12 PM »
We arent anywhere near FI, so having a high deductible, self paid plan isnt on my radar.
What I do know, is that I live in Chicago, IL.
My husband pays half of our family's insurance costs and his employer pays half. We pay about 500$ a month, comes out of his check. We have two kids.

We have office copays for every visit, and specialists are 50$ instead of 30$ for our family dr.
We have individual deductibles of 3500 and 7500$ for family, after which we pay 20% in network up to 7K/10K family.
Co pays do not go to the deductible, nor do prescriptions and there are other exclusions.

In July 2011, my then 3 year old son was drowning in a pool. I jumped in to save him, and although he was ok, turns out I got rare type of fracture called a tibial plateau fracture, and the top of my tibia was crushed in several places. I had surgery and physical therapy and a dozen dr appts. The OR bill for the surgery was 36K. That does not include the hospital bill for my room, anasthesia, or the Drs fee for the surgery.

My out of pocket expenses are well over 7K. However, because I met my deductible for the year, I was able to get a cpap machine that I needed, but couldnt afford to buy.

During my recovery, I had my surgeon talk to my husband about his chronic and debilitating hip pain. Turns out he needed a total hip replacement. Unfortunately, his job wanted him to wait until after the first of the new year, so we couldnt take advantage of any family deductible.

even if you are healthy, you can still be in a freak accident (jumping into a pool to save a drowning child and breaking a leg).
I dont know at this point, if with a 47 year old husband with an artificial hip, two active kids, and my own issues (sleep apnea) if the low-rate health insurance ship has sailed away forever.

I find it depressing how expensive it is. I guess if you are in your twenties or early thirties and already FI, you could be ok. I dont know.

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Re: Our New $237/month Health Insurance Plan
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2012, 07:45:59 AM »
I find MMM's posts about health care perplexing because some of his major assumptions - that all Mustachians already have a huge stache that can withstand super high deductibles on everything combined - don't apply.  Not all Mustachians make six figures and save 90% of their salary with cash to burn. Not all Mustachians have had time to grow their pot, whether from age or previous debts.

I personally prefer to have my combined deductibles - car, home, and health - something that I can afford to pay in a given year.  My baby stache is no where near being able to handle high medical deductibles in addition to an emergency fund, other deductibles, and continuing to save for my retirement.   Perhaps I am being conservative, but having shoulder surgery while underemployed will do that to you. 

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Re: Our New $237/month Health Insurance Plan
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2012, 07:59:53 AM »
I find MMM's posts about health care perplexing because some of his major assumptions - that all Mustachians already have a huge stache that can withstand super high deductibles on everything combined - don't apply.  Not all Mustachians make six figures and save 90% of their salary with cash to burn. Not all Mustachians have had time to grow their pot, whether from age or previous debts.

I think it's more his assumption that most people in the position to FIRE should have a healthy stache and be able to account for high deductibles.

Not that a Mustachian still working, but that it should be one factor accounted for when FIREing.

I've seen too many naysayers to ER bring up health care, and say it's impossible to ER because of healthcare.  It's not, it's just one more factor to calculate in to your plan.  So when MMM assumes a Mustachian has a large stache to deal with this, he's talking about the Mustachian close to FIRE, not one starting their journey.
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Re: Our New $237/month Health Insurance Plan
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2012, 08:14:09 AM »
So when MMM assumes a Mustachian has a large stache to deal with this, he's talking about the Mustachian close to FIRE, not one starting their journey.

He might be talking to them, but he presents it as if everyone on a Mustachian path should be at least in a position to consider those types of plans.  I completely agree that anyone close to FIRE should have no trouble absorbing high deductibles, but I also think that a sizable portion, if not majority, of his readers are not extremely close to FIRE. 

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« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2012, 08:31:07 AM »
Ah.  I didn't read it at all as "this is what every Mustachian should do."

I read it as "this is our new plan" and added my own assumption of "it may be applicable to others in similar situations to our own" -- naturally then those in other situations (say those needing a lower deductible because they can't self insure) would need to find a plan that fits their own needs.  But they could still use some of the mindsets presented in the article, as well as some of the resources and websites.

YMMV, but - IMO - you inferred way too much into what MMM was saying.  I think it was just a helpful post on what they - as FIREd, healthy people - are doing now for health care.
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Re: Our New $237/month Health Insurance Plan
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2012, 09:59:52 AM »
Ah.  I didn't read it at all as "this is what every Mustachian should do."

I read it as "this is our new plan" and added my own assumption of "it may be applicable to others in similar situations to our own" -- naturally then those in other situations (say those needing a lower deductible because they can't self insure) would need to find a plan that fits their own needs.  But they could still use some of the mindsets presented in the article, as well as some of the resources and websites.

YMMV, but - IMO - you inferred way too much into what MMM was saying.  I think it was just a helpful post on what they - as FIREd, healthy people - are doing now for health care.

thats how I read it also, and still for my family, not within reach. right now. maybe never, but I dont know!

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« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2012, 01:39:14 PM »
Am I ever thankful for our public healthcare system!  I had to have a CT scan of my hand a few weeks ago.  My surgeon sent in the requisition, and I got a call for my appointment time a few days later.  I went to the hospital, had my scan, and never once had to worry about how to pay for it.  I paid $6 for parking, and that's it.  No insurance forms to fill out, no deductible to pay.

Next year, I'm going to be having a complex hand surgery to fix a very rare bone disorder.  I could have surgery next month, but because I'm coming into the busy season at work, and I'll need 6 months of rehab, I've opted to wait.  My total cost for the surgery and rehab is going to be parking (if I drive myself).  I'll be in the hospital for at least 2 days for surgery, and I'll be back there 3 times a week for up to 6 months. 

I guess I've grown up in the system where people are taken care of, independent of their ability to pay, and I see that as a basic human right, not a privilege for those who can afford it.  I just don't understand the opposition to it, at all.  Sometimes it takes longer to get non-life threatening procedures, but people don't die waiting (other than organ transplant patients) like they make it out to be.

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« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2012, 02:38:59 PM »
Am I ever thankful for our public healthcare system!  I had to have a CT scan of my hand a few weeks ago.  My surgeon sent in the requisition, and I got a call for my appointment time a few days later.  I went to the hospital, had my scan, and never once had to worry about how to pay for it.  I paid $6 for parking, and that's it.  No insurance forms to fill out, no deductible to pay.

Next year, I'm going to be having a complex hand surgery to fix a very rare bone disorder.  I could have surgery next month, but because I'm coming into the busy season at work, and I'll need 6 months of rehab, I've opted to wait.  My total cost for the surgery and rehab is going to be parking (if I drive myself).  I'll be in the hospital for at least 2 days for surgery, and I'll be back there 3 times a week for up to 6 months. 

Wow, I've been to a few different hospitals and rehab centres to see my dad or take him to appointments over the last year ... never saw parking as low as $6 unless I was in and out in under an hour (and that was only at the rehab centre).  My mom and dad found it helpful to spring for the monthly pass when he was inpatient and she was visiting every day, and also when he was going back twice a week for physio.  But you'd have to do the math for your own situation. 
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« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2012, 02:42:21 PM »
I was in and out in just around 1 hour :)

My rehab appointments will likely max out the daily fee, at $13.

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« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2012, 03:37:26 PM »
I was in and out in just around 1 hour :)

My rehab appointments will likely max out the daily fee, at $13.

Yeah, that's where a weekly or monthly pass, if it's offered, might be worth your while.  Or, doing things the MMM way ... 

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« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2012, 03:44:09 PM »
I could be bussing it, you are right ;)

However, the closest free parking is further than a few kms, and with a splint on my hand, and potentially some pins, I don't think it would be wise to walk that far.

I may arrange for someone to drop me off though, depending on the schedule.
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« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2012, 03:53:40 PM »
That article really struck me because at the time I had been visiting my dad really regularly - and paying for parking to do so!  But he got out of the rehab centre shortly after so I had no opportunity to do anything to change my habits. 

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« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2012, 04:14:37 PM »
Indeed.  If it is going to be an ongoing cost for me (if I can't stand the 1.5 hour bus ride each way) or I can't get someone to drop me off, I'll look at the monthly pass for sure.  I'm hoping that I can get into the rehab center that isn't at the hospital though, once the surgeon signs off on it, so I can be closer to home (a 20 minute drive with free parking) versus the drive across the whole city.

It all might be a moot point though, as I'm not even sure when I'll be OKed to drive again after surgery.


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« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2012, 04:29:01 PM »
I find the christian ministry thing interesting, but Im not eligible.

US law explicitly forbids discrimination on the basis of religion.  If you think you aren't eligible for this fantastic deal because of your religious beliefs, read up with the ACLU and then reconsider. 

Separation of Church and State: not just semantics when it hits your pocketbook, is it?

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« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2012, 04:30:59 PM »
I'm hoping that I can get into the rehab center that isn't at the hospital though, once the surgeon signs off on it, so I can be closer to home (a 20 minute drive with free parking) versus the drive across the whole city.
 
 
Oh, I hope that's what happens - sounds much much better! 

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« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2012, 04:34:29 PM »
I'm hoping that I can get into the rehab center that isn't at the hospital though, once the surgeon signs off on it, so I can be closer to home (a 20 minute drive with free parking) versus the drive across the whole city.
 
 
Oh, I hope that's what happens - sounds much much better!

Yep!

He, by default, has all of his patients see the rehab people at the hospital, because he knows them.  But, I'll be sure to ask the hospital rehab people if the same care is available closer to home. 

I'm not looking forward to 4-6 months of rehab, but it's got to be better than the pain I have now sometimes.
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« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2012, 10:09:03 PM »
I find MMM's posts about health care perplexing because some of his major assumptions - that all Mustachians already have a huge stache that can withstand super high deductibles on everything combined - don't apply.  Not all Mustachians make six figures and save 90% of their salary with cash to burn. Not all Mustachians have had time to grow their pot, whether from age or previous debts.

What I find interesting and what many people seem to be missing in the article write-up is the total out-of-pocket costs per year under the worst case scenario between the high deductible and low deductible plans when you factor in premiums:

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Old PlanNew Plan
Annual cost (including base premiums) if everything is maxed out for one individual$18,616.72 + copays|$15,841.72
Annual cost if everything is maxed out for family$23,616.72 + copays|$31,841.72

I noticed that at least for the single person scenario, if the insurance truly had to be used to the point of it kicking in under either policy, the policy with the higher deductible would actually be $2775 cheaper that year than with the low deductible policy. Granted, the family maxed out cost for the year is $8225 higher than the low deductible policy, but what are the odds of all three members needing so much medical care all in the span of one year that they hit that out of pocket cap unless a scenario occurred where other forms of insurance aren't already going to be involved? (natural catastrophe, car wreck, etc.)

Remember, the base cost just paying the necessary premiums without any medical claims at all on the lower deductible policy is $14,616.72 a year. The out of pocket just on premiums costs near as much as the worst case scenario just for one person on their high deductible plan!

Given these numbers and the savings differential between the two policies per month is $981.25 if no medical care is used at all, even paying upwards of $4000 out of pocket each year with the cheaper policy more than offsets the cost of that eight grand differential down the road, and is still cheaper per year than the lower deductible policy by itself. Given the added perk of the deductible being halved after three years without claims, paying that out of pocket will actually make it even cheaper when that catastrophic family-wide health year might come in the future than the low deductible policy costs.

If you're self insuring, FIRE or not, a lot of these numbers make sense and back up higher deductible policies as a good idea to at least run the numbers on before investing in. Something I've noticed about insurance over the years: it doesn't matter how much you're paying in per month in premiums, at the end of the year if you have to file a claim, you're nearly out of pocket the same amount when you factor all costs and this post backs that observation up. Lower deductibles at higher rates are basically there for the convenience of paying less at point of claim at the cost of spending far more per month to do so.

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« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2012, 10:54:22 PM »
I find the christian ministry thing interesting, but Im not eligible.

US law explicitly forbids discrimination on the basis of religion.  If you think you aren't eligible for this fantastic deal because of your religious beliefs, read up with the ACLU and then reconsider. 

Separation of Church and State: not just semantics when it hits your pocketbook, is it?

but is it a state option? Its not insurance. Its like a coop, or a kitty everyone puts into and takes out of. I dont mind not being eligible for that particular group.

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« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2012, 07:52:03 AM »
...my biggest issue is that we already have a government healthcare system, which should have been the starting point (reforming it, doing away with waste and fraud, and then expanding it).

I assume you're talking about Medicare.  After reading Power, Politics, and Universal Health Care (by Stuart Altman and David Shactman), I can tell you why that wasn't the starting point: it couldn't get through Congress.  (Or it least that's why Clinton's plan failed.)  People have been trying to pass some form universal health care since Nixon, and even when a majority was for universal health care, they couldn't agree on any version enough to actually pass anything until Obama.  Frankly, it's a miracle that Obamacare passed at all, and the only reason it had a chance it that it started from the premise of minimizing changes to the current system of employer-based private health care to avoid ticking off the healthcare special interests (like insurance companies) and to let most people continue getting insurance they way that they are already used to doing it.

It's a starting point.  There's something in it for everyone to hate, of course, but for a plan full of concessions to various special interest groups, it's shockingly not that bad.

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« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2012, 08:07:53 AM »
I find the christian ministry thing interesting, but Im not eligible.

US law explicitly forbids discrimination on the basis of religion.  If you think you aren't eligible for this fantastic deal because of your religious beliefs, read up with the ACLU and then reconsider. 

Separation of Church and State: not just semantics when it hits your pocketbook, is it?

but is it a state option? Its not insurance. Its like a coop, or a kitty everyone puts into and takes out of. I dont mind not being eligible for that particular group.

Thank you for actually understanding the concept of the organizations, Starting.

Remember folks, this is basically the most badass of self-insurance, technically. There's no guarantee of getting your full bills covered if the member base is incapable of paying, and the rates are so low because of the "clean living" restrictions for participation and the limitations of what is covered. It is most definitely not insurance, receives no government assistance, and members basically help pay each other's bills directly. The ACA is basically providing an exception for religious practices through these outfits the same way it does for Jews and Muslims in the military or in the prison system by letting them stay kosher or halal. It's hardly a separation of church and state issue, especially since those people are required to pay tax penalties or insurance on months that they are not participating in an HCSM.

I found another couple health care sharing ministries: Samaritan Ministries and Christian Healthcare Ministries.

Those are the only two other national-level organizations I've been able to find. I'm sure there's a few state-level here and there, even ones that are technically for Buddhists or Jews or Atheists or or or...
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« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2012, 07:42:46 AM »
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I find MMM's posts about health care perplexing because some of his major assumptions - that all Mustachians already have a huge stache that can withstand super high deductibles on everything combined - don't apply.  Not all Mustachians make six figures and save 90% of their salary with cash to burn. Not all Mustachians have had time to grow their pot, whether from age or previous debts.

This part doesn't bother me as much because he's just saying this is how he handles health insurance and he's transparent about their assets.BUT I really think he misses the boat on a number of key things about health care and shoots down doctors who make valid points (and have a lot more experience to draw on) as being "alarmist" when everyone really SHOULD be thinking through these things.  Sure, MMM family might be fine with their approach, but if MMM is blogging in a way to inspire and lead, I think it's really important for others to have some key things highlighted as they do their own planning.

1) It's a little "off" to use the past decade as a reference point for estimating expenses when it's common not to have health issues in your 20's and 30's.   That they are not having another child helps because they are not likely to encounter costly issues related to problems at birth (as I've mentioned in other posts a very minor issue our child had led to 90K in bills--and the chance of having very large bills at childbirth and then in the infancy period is pretty sizeable in the US).  But it probably makes more sense to look at the healthcare issues of older relatives and estimate based on that (adjusting for potential impact of lifestyle factors).  FOr instance, if Mrs. MM had sisters, aunts, mother etc. with breast cancer in their 40s and 50s that's a whole lot more relevant than that she's had no cancer expenses in the past 12 years.

2) Once you're in a position of having a health issue that stresses your 'stache (e.g. deductible needing to be filled year after year because of an ongoing issue) you often are also more limited in your ability to work more etc. because you either are too ill or have to provide care for someone.   There are also other stresses, like having to buy special equipment, change diet, increased transportation costs, etc. that don't add into your deductible.  This may need more of a buffer in the stache than just the deductible.

3) A lot of these plans are somewhat shifty (as one of the doctor notes about the underwriter of the MMM plan) and will say certain things don't count that are often presented by doctors as the expected treatment --then that expense doesn't count towards your deductible  nor out of pocket expenses either.   It can be very costly.  So, if say there was  a history of breast cancer in Mrs. MM's family, you would want to know that the insurance supports whatever the research says is the optimal treatment--and doesn't add a lot of restrictions say for using brand-name versions of drugs that are known to be better etc.  So if a doctor thinks x treatment is ideal for y disease that's not covered, you can be faced with paying the 10K deductible PLUS the full costs of the uncovered treatment if you decide to go ahead. There are whole classes of things like mental health treatment or childhood developmental disorders  that some bare bones health plans are notorious for  having many restrictions that the medical field considers inappropriate.  And you're least likely to research this well when you're in the middle of a crisis making health care decisions.  So when getting insurance it's really important to look at that fine print (whether Saver80 type plan or employer plan)--you can't assume that their restrictions are reasonable.  Actually, this is one of the better advances of healthcare reform is that there should be better oversight of this, but we don't know yet where that's all going.

4) The idea that medical costs are cheaper if you pay by cash is the direct opposite in a number of locales  so people should know their own.

It's not that I don't think you can't retire early with health insurance--nor does having a solid employer plan "protect you from all harm," but healthcare  is just not an area for simple reverse engineering of past expenses and adding up deductibles and thinking all is fine.  In my view, it's more complicated than that.   

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Re: Our New $237/month Health Insurance Plan
« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2012, 08:16:21 AM »
+1 for Twinge's comments.

In particular, coverage gaps for high cost treatments are a problem.  Many of the California plans I priced in an effort to get out of the outrageously priced plans the retirement system offers had major coverage omissions.  The most common were drugs.  Not on the company formulary?  Not covered.  Need an expensive new chemotherapy regimen to deal with cancer?  Be prepared to fork over hundreds of thousands of dollars because the treatment is not covered.

If we have to let the insurance companies own the system, the least we can do is require full disclosure in plain English of what is and is not covered.  The disclosure for these policies should state the company will not pay for any drug treatment that is not on our list, no matter what your doctor says you need.  Then caveat emptor would be a fair standard.

The most telling piece of information about the HMO policy offered by the retirement system appeared in the benefits hand book that arrived in the mail last week.  The premium is rising over 7 percent to a little over $11,000 annually because the average claims per member rose to $877.  Seriously, did anyone in this organization look at those two numbers?  Yeah, the numbers are discussed in two different chapters, but aren't the people tasked with the purchase paying attention?

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Re: Our New $237/month Health Insurance Plan
« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2012, 01:50:51 PM »
+1 for Twinge's comments..expanded but consistent with my view that I had above.  Very good point about looking back vs. looking forward for health needs.

As I said above, if MMM had to start incurring an additional $10-20K a year for health care on regular basis the MMM family stash would no longer be sufficient to stay retired.  His side job world become a needed job assuming he can physically do the job.




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Re: Our New $237/month Health Insurance Plan
« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2012, 09:42:49 AM »
Another +1 for twinge's comments.  You stated very well the same concerns that I had.  I hope that others looking into these insurance plans will consider their health risks based on older relatives, read the fine print in the plans, etc.  It's tricky and difficult, but it's also very important for so many of it.

 

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