Author Topic: Reader Case Study: Burned Out at Work – Looking For Advice / Options  (Read 10964 times)

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Life Situation: Single, 35, No dependents, living in Houston.

Gross Salary/Wages: ~$200k

Pre-tax deductions: $18k into the 401k, $500 into HSA, also contribute $5,500 to IRA but not deductable

Adjusted Gross Income: $181k for 2015.

Taxes: $38k federal, $7k property taxes.

Current expenses (based on last 30 days per Personal Capital:
$1,827 P&I on house
$642 Property Taxes
$259 Home Insurance
$100 monthly HOA fee
$124 Auto Insurance
$250 for psychoanalysis ($3k annually to cover my out-of-network deductable)
$216 bars/video games/other entertainment
$668 dining out/dating (face punches expected)
$500 travel/vacation
$167 car maintenance/repairs
$83 Gasoline
$21 Natural Gas for house
$40 groceries
$125 monthly maid service
$74 internet
$72 cell phone
$51 for SlingTV and Netflix
$85 average electricity bill
$20 water bill
$45 reward card fees
Total - ~$5,500
 
Assets:
Home - $415k
Traditional IRA - $295k
Roth IRA - $46k
Taxable Brokerage Account - $104k
Betterment Taxable Safety Net Account - $25k
Work 401k - $35k
HSA - $2.5k
Checking Account - $6k
Car - $8k
Total Assets - $937k.   

Liabilities: $238,187 on 15-yr 3% fixed mortgage.

Net Worth: $698k

Background: I currently work in banking and after being at my present job for about a year and a half, I’m completely burned out.  In addition to the late nights and weekends, management is pretty apathetic to the fact that morale in the office is terrible.  My relationship with my boss is pretty non-existent and to top it off, bonuses are bad this year, so I’m seriously giving thought to either a) resigning on the day the bonus money hits my account (early January) or b) filing a formal complaint with HR and seeing where that goes (the office had pretty dismal employee survey results earlier this year and HR has been down once before asking about morale and management).  The best I could hope for from that is potentially some sort of severance package but I seriously doubt that will happen. 

In the meantime, I’m looking for other jobs but am also open to taking a few months to detox and figure out where to go from there. 

The prospect of being unemployed is pretty terrifying and it’s always easier to get a job when you have a job.  On the other hand, I’ve been so stressed out over this year that at some point you just have to say enough is enough and take care of yourself. 

The one good thing to come from all of this is that I’ve become dedicated to hitting FI as quickly as possible and have really been slashing expenses in order to save as much as possible.  I’m still working on my budget to figure out my FI number but the ultimate goal is to save enough so I can pay-off the house and cover the rest of my expenses / lifestyle within the 4% rule. 
 
Specific Question(s): Has anyone else been in a similar situation?  What would you consider if you were in a similar situation?

My initial instinct is to just find another job and keep grinding and once FI is achieved, figure out what I really want to do in life. 

Another thought is to leave my current job and take a few months off to completely re-evaluate my career and what I really want to be doing on a daily basis.  I have plenty of money to do this on a short-term basis but not being employed is pretty scary to me.

The last (and least likely) options would be to sell everything and go full nomad; if I did this then I could live off ~$25k per year per the 4% rule or I could rent out my house and let someone else pay the PITI, which is by far my largest expense, while I travel for a bit.  However, I ike my house and don’t think I’d really be open to selling it or renting it out at the moment.   

Thoughts?  I just want to make sure I’m considering all my options. 

Thanks
« Last Edit: December 29, 2016, 11:16:49 PM by Bones81 »

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Re: Reader Case Study: Burned Out at Work – Looking For Advice / Options
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2016, 11:57:53 PM »
Can you take some extended time off to figure out the next steps you want to take? Doesn't have to be months, even a few weeks away from the regular drudgery would work like a charm.

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Re: Reader Case Study: Burned Out at Work – Looking For Advice / Options
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2016, 05:35:26 AM »
You don't have food expenses?

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Re: Reader Case Study: Burned Out at Work – Looking For Advice / Options
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2016, 05:46:43 AM »
You should definitely look into tracking your expenses/income better through something like Mint, Personal Capital or You Need A Budget. There are lots of missing expenses that make it very difficult to come up with ideas if this is to be a true case study.

The biggest issue I see is that you have an insanely expensive house in a city that has extremely low cost of living (unless you're determined to live fancypants like in the Woodlands or W. University type places?). As a single person making that high a salary, you technically could be retired NOW (or at least in a year to get your shifting of assets and finalize how you would use your various accounts and price out health care) if you didn't have the house (and insurance/taxes) expenses. At the very least, it would likely make a HUGE difference, because I'm sure you've got lawn care, house repair/maintenance and lots of other little things you're forgetting about since you didn't do a full case study for your expenses (again, need to track it all).

I have just a bit more in investments/assets than you, waaaaay less house (small house out in NW houston in a nice neighborhood worth about ~130K but only owe ~40K so payments are great) and household of 2 people that are officially retired and doing just fine. We live off of ~32K quite well in this city.

So as much as you say you like your house, but what you're apparently failing to see is that your house is one of - if not the - biggest factors keeping you in your awful job situation. It is a giant ball and chain. Sell it, and get a smaller/less expensive house, or rent out a nice little apartment and you literally just cut that damned chain off and gave yourself freedom to do whatever. Still "like" it so much you're willing to keep "grinding" at a job that is sucking your soul out? You're in counseling to deal with serious issues that likely would be resolved by getting free of the workplace... and yet you think it's worth it to hold onto a freaking house?

I quit my horrible job that caused both burnout and anxiety/PTSD like symptoms 2 years ago. You can be damned sure if the only major thing standing in my way from getting the hell out of that place was a too-expensive house, it would be GONE as soon as I realized that part.

If you can do a real breakdown of your expenses and not just a summary, we could help way more. As it is, I'd say you technically are in position (without knowing more details of spending/expenses/lifestyle) to retire completely or at the very least go find a much lower paying job doing stuff you enjoy within a year or so if you made some changes like sell the expensive house.

So TL/DR: really track and post ALL of your spending/income and we can probably help you more. And also - house is insane for a single (would be for a couple actually too... or someone with a few kids... there's tons of cheap but still nice neighborhoods in the Houston area).
« Last Edit: December 05, 2016, 05:57:28 AM by Frankies Girl »

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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2016, 08:45:52 AM »
Oh FG, I remember how miserable you were and was one of the many encouraging you to pull the trigger. Two years has flown by! I'm so happy for you.

I agree with you 100% about the OP's house. It is a ball and chain. However, I have completely different advice for OP than I had for you.

First, Bones81 seems to have forgotten a few major budge items and has overstated assets by failing to subtract the liability that is the mortgage from the "total" assets. Next, I find his/her savings rate to be unusually low for their salary range. Where has all the money gone? Bones needs to become better at hanging on to it.

Bones81, my suggestion starts with this: Suck it up for now. Create an exit plan and work it for the next year or better, two. During that time, you are going to sell off all the crap you don't need, including the house and all unnecessary contents. Focus on earning/saving/investing every penny you can. Set out clear, concrete goals. Once you get closer to 900k in actual assets, pull the trigger, step into the rest of your life and never look back.

You will be surprised how bearable your job will become when you have laser sharp focus and a clear end date. Don't expect HR to help you and unless there are a plethora of 200k jobs with your name on them, don't bother to switch companies.

If you follow these suggestions, some strange things will happen. You will find yourself in kind of a bubble.  You will care less about the work environment and you'll become happier by the day as you focus on executing your secret plan.  Bones81, you can do this, much faster and more easily than you think.

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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2016, 11:08:46 AM »
Sounds like your job sucks and your management sucks too, sorry about that.  A crappy job sometimes can't be helped, that's part of what they pay you $200k a year for, but the management thing is awful.  If I were you I would definitely start looking for a new job, and plan to leave sometime after your bonus hits.  Give yourself a few weeks off between, if you can, to decompress.

-  Finish reducing your expenses and let them stabilize, you want to be sure you can live on the lower budget long-term before pulling the trigger.
-  Max your HSA for the year.  No reason to only contribute $500, the HSA is a versatile account with the best tax treatment.

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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2016, 11:52:41 PM »
You should definitely look into tracking your expenses/income better through something like Mint, Personal Capital or You Need A Budget. There are lots of missing expenses that make it very difficult to come up with ideas if this is to be a true case study.

The biggest issue I see is that you have an insanely expensive house in a city that has extremely low cost of living (unless you're determined to live fancypants like in the Woodlands or W. University type places?). As a single person making that high a salary, you technically could be retired NOW (or at least in a year to get your shifting of assets and finalize how you would use your various accounts and price out health care) if you didn't have the house (and insurance/taxes) expenses. At the very least, it would likely make a HUGE difference, because I'm sure you've got lawn care, house repair/maintenance and lots of other little things you're forgetting about since you didn't do a full case study for your expenses (again, need to track it all).

I have just a bit more in investments/assets than you, waaaaay less house (small house out in NW houston in a nice neighborhood worth about ~130K but only owe ~40K so payments are great) and household of 2 people that are officially retired and doing just fine. We live off of ~32K quite well in this city.

So as much as you say you like your house, but what you're apparently failing to see is that your house is one of - if not the - biggest factors keeping you in your awful job situation. It is a giant ball and chain. Sell it, and get a smaller/less expensive house, or rent out a nice little apartment and you literally just cut that damned chain off and gave yourself freedom to do whatever. Still "like" it so much you're willing to keep "grinding" at a job that is sucking your soul out? You're in counseling to deal with serious issues that likely would be resolved by getting free of the workplace... and yet you think it's worth it to hold onto a freaking house?

I quit my horrible job that caused both burnout and anxiety/PTSD like symptoms 2 years ago. You can be damned sure if the only major thing standing in my way from getting the hell out of that place was a too-expensive house, it would be GONE as soon as I realized that part.

If you can do a real breakdown of your expenses and not just a summary, we could help way more. As it is, I'd say you technically are in position (without knowing more details of spending/expenses/lifestyle) to retire completely or at the very least go find a much lower paying job doing stuff you enjoy within a year or so if you made some changes like sell the expensive house.

So TL/DR: really track and post ALL of your spending/income and we can probably help you more. And also - house is insane for a single (would be for a couple actually too... or someone with a few kids... there's tons of cheap but still nice neighborhoods in the Houston area).

Been working on the expense tracking and will update my original post with that info soon.  I've done a ton of cost cutting over the past several months which have included cutting the cord, cutting back on going / eating out etc.  I've identified a bunch of other savings I can realize which include dropping my car insurance coverage to liability only, increasing my home owners insurance deductable to lower the premium, and taking the light rail to work rather than driving which in addition to the gas savings, will get rid of the ridiculous $195/month I'm paying for a downtown parking garage.  I'm off work for 2 weeks coming up, so will get my 2017 budget set then using one of the FIRE cash flow models I've found through here. 

On the house, I've given a lot of thought on what to do with it going forward.  I've been doing a lot of reading about buying single family homes as investments and incorporating that in the FIRE strategy.  I'd have to do a bit more research on rents in my area but converting the house into my first rental property is one route to go and even on a 15 year mortgage, I think I could get enough in rent to cover the PITI and I don't think I'd have any problem going back to a 1 bedroom apartment.  The house is in the museum district which is why its more expensive relative to the Houston burbs.  I've also recently put the house to work for me through airbnb.  Renting out the guest bedroom for $50 a night has yielded 5 nights of occupancy over the first 2 weeks it's been up, mostly people with business in the medical center, so if it winds up making a few hundred per month for me, then that helps a bit.  Also, given it's location between the football stadium and the rest of the superbowl activities downtown, I could make a small fortune renting the whole house out during that week.  I've seen some outrageous prices quoted, so if I could get anything close to that, I'd be a pretty happy camper.   

Sounds like your job sucks and your management sucks too, sorry about that.  A crappy job sometimes can't be helped, that's part of what they pay you $200k a year for, but the management thing is awful.  If I were you I would definitely start looking for a new job, and plan to leave sometime after your bonus hits.  Give yourself a few weeks off between, if you can, to decompress.

-  Finish reducing your expenses and let them stabilize, you want to be sure you can live on the lower budget long-term before pulling the trigger.
-  Max your HSA for the year.  No reason to only contribute $500, the HSA is a versatile account with the best tax treatment.

That's definitely the plan, of the cuts I've done so far, I've actually been proud that I've made them and haven't missed anything.  I've already set my HSA to max out next year when I was setting up my benefits last month, so I'll be taking the maximum advantage of that. 

Oh FG, I remember how miserable you were and was one of the many encouraging you to pull the trigger. Two years has flown by! I'm so happy for you.

I agree with you 100% about the OP's house. It is a ball and chain. However, I have completely different advice for OP than I had for you.

First, Bones81 seems to have forgotten a few major budge items and has overstated assets by failing to subtract the liability that is the mortgage from the "total" assets. Next, I find his/her savings rate to be unusually low for their salary range. Where has all the money gone? Bones needs to become better at hanging on to it.

Bones81, my suggestion starts with this: Suck it up for now. Create an exit plan and work it for the next year or better, two. During that time, you are going to sell off all the crap you don't need, including the house and all unnecessary contents. Focus on earning/saving/investing every penny you can. Set out clear, concrete goals. Once you get closer to 900k in actual assets, pull the trigger, step into the rest of your life and never look back.

You will be surprised how bearable your job will become when you have laser sharp focus and a clear end date. Don't expect HR to help you and unless there are a plethora of 200k jobs with your name on them, don't bother to switch companies.

If you follow these suggestions, some strange things will happen. You will find yourself in kind of a bubble.  You will care less about the work environment and you'll become happier by the day as you focus on executing your secret plan.  Bones81, you can do this, much faster and more easily than you think.

I wouldn't say the assets are "overstated", deducting liabilities from them is technically the definition of net worth, which of course is what really matters so I get what you're saying.  As noted above, still working on the budget, I know I can save a ton by eating at home rather than eating nasty fast food all the time.  A Costco membership is in future and I've also started doing some credit card hacking to lower costs on vacations etc.  There's a lot of fat to be trimmed.  While I've always maxed out retirement accounts and have had a modest savings rate, I realize I've definitely blown a lot of money through lifestyle creep over the past few years and I've spent money on a ton of things I don't need.  I'm cleaning out the house while I'm on vacation over the next 2 weeks and there's a ton of stuff I can sell on craigslist that should easily net a few grand, the plan is to start downsizing so that if I do decide to rent out the house and go back to an apartment, there won't be a lot to move. 

In regards to sucking it up, I've been doing that for over a year now but it's a war of attrition that I'm slowly losing.  While I've found some peace of mind knowing that I'm reducing costs and can watch my net worth increase at a faster pace, I wake up each morning really dreading going to the office.  There is some hope, I spoke with a headhunter today who thought there would be a decent amount of hiring in banking starting the first quarter of next year and I've started reaching out to other contacts to see what's out there.  Hopefully I can find something with similar compensation that isn't as stressful and with management that actually cares about their people.  Realistically, I know I need a few more years of good income with a high savings rate to get to the point where I'm really comfortable with throwing up the deuces and riding off into the sunset.  If I can find a comfortable place to work over the next 5 years and bail when I'm 40, I think that would be ideal. 

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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2016, 10:19:20 AM »
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I've already set my HSA to max out next year when I was setting up my benefits last month, so I'll be taking the maximum advantage of that. 

You should also be able to make a $2,850 contribution before the end of the year, to max for 2016.

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« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2016, 11:15:06 AM »
Realistically, I know I need a few more years of good income with a high savings rate to get to the point where I'm really comfortable with throwing up the deuces and riding off into the sunset.  If I can find a comfortable place to work over the next 5 years and bail when I'm 40, I think that would be ideal.
I didn't want to quote that whole thing, so good on you for the airbnb. It's great to own a place in a high-demand location.

I kept the quote above because I think you're far closer to done that you realize. In your shoes, I'd try something crazy like trying to save every penny I could for a year. Try living off what you can make on Airbnb + CL sales. You'll be amazed at what you can stockpile with enough determination.

I can completely relate to your job situation. Out of college, I landed my dream job. I loved it! Then we got a new boss who literally made life miserable. I hated every minute of it. Back then fear of job jumping was A Thing. I prayed for something to happen so I didn't have to go to work every day. Well, something did. I was diagnosed with a rare form of cancer. During my four months off work, the bad boss got fired. The new boss was good, and I ended up staying for five years. But I was just starting out, and you are closer to the finish line or my advice would be to get the fuck out. For the rest of the week, try replacing every bad thought with one about your FIRE plans. See if it helps. Also, if you can get a job elsewhere for similar money, go for it. But still save like hell so you can buy the rest of your life back in a year or two, not five.

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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2016, 12:12:25 AM »
Updated my original post with expense figures from the last 30 days.  Obviously this doesn't include all expenses that pop up over the year but it hits most of them and is a good starting point. 

There are a lot of expenses to cut.  I spend a stupid amount of money eating out (fast food) and dating.  In addition to being wasteful, it's unhealthy and its only because I'm not a big eater and good genetics that I'm not overweight.  To remedy this, I've actually gone to the grocery store to have things to eat for dinner.  I'm still eating out at lunch but am planning on hitting up Costco this weekend to get things for lunch as well with the goal of eating out only a handful of times a month.  I'm also planning on staying in more often and doing things that are relatively cheap like Netflix and reading more. 

I've also done some other cost cutting, such as ditching satelite TV ($200+ per month) for SlingTV, ditching the contract parking at work ($195 month) to walk about 0.5 miles to the light rail and commuting to work that way.  I've started researching travel hacking to minimize travel expenses as much as possible.  I've also reached out to an insurance broker to look to cut my home and auto costs by increasing my deductables and getting rid of full coverage on the car.  In general, I've started paying much more attention to my spending with the goal of putting as much money into my brokerage account as possible.  I'm also considering selling my current car (2007 BMW 3 series coup) for something more practical with less miles.  I've had the car for 8 years and it's up to 79k miles.  I don't put a lot of miles on it and will put even less on it going forward given I'll be taking the light rail to work, but repairs are expensive on it and if I can get a used Honda Fit or something similar with less mileage for only a few grand after selling my car, then that might be a good move.  The alternative would be to keep the current car for a few more years and maybe get an electric car in 2018 or 2019. 

I've also started trying to get rid of stuff I don't need.  I've recently listed my road bike, guitar amp and a rifle for sale as these are things I rarely use and I'd rather plow the $3.5 - $4k I think I can get from selling them into my brokerage account.  I've also started renting out my guest bedroom on airbnb and made $550 this month, so that's off to a good start.  I'm planning to rent the whole house out for the Superbowl, so I'm excited to see how much that will net. 

The job still sucks and I dread going in there everyday.  I've reached out to former colleagues and headhunters to see what else is out there.  A headhunter I spoke to thinks there will be a lot of banks hiring in 2017, so that's encouraging.  In some ways having a crap job has been a good thing because it has really motivated me to hit FI so I'll never be stuck in a situation like this again.  Evidently HR was in the office last week (i was on vacation) checking to see how morale is.  If I can find another job, I might try to get cheeky and see if I can get some sort of severance package from the current job once I have an offer letter in hand from a new employer.  I really do think I have some legit grievances (like them not following their own policies when it comes to work/life balance) and they might actually considering paying me off versus the possibility of having a case potentially heading to an arbitrator.  It would be sweet justice (and not to mention great for the net worth) to get a severance payment from one employer while collecting a signing bonus from another.  Probably wishful thinking but worth a shot if I can time it right. 

As my house is my largest expense, I've given a lot of thought lately to renting it out and getting a cheap 1 bedroom apartment somewhere to live in until I hit FI.  The airbnb income helps offset the home expenses a little bit but if the new job has any sort of significant commute, then I'll look to move within walking/biking distance of the new office. 

Based on current spending, I'm 5-6 years from FI.  Drastically cutting the dumb expenses I currently have, I think I can shave a significant amount of time off this and I'll be updating the spreadsheet every few weeks to see the impact the reduced spending is having.  I haven't run a scenario where I rent out the house yet, but if this could cut my FI time down to only a few years, then I'll start researching rents and talking to property managers to see what I could expect to make in rent. 

The goal of FIRE and the cost cutting achievements to be realized are really the only thing keeping me going with my current job. 

 

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