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ebella

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Mid-30s DINK couple debt payment and retirement strategy
« on: December 31, 2019, 09:01:21 AM »
Dual income no kids (nor any plans to have any).
I make $115,000 before taxes and bonus (bonus varies based on receivables but I've never had this job before so I'm not sure how to predict). 
Husband makes $43,000 and also makes bonus based on sales. Again, this is his first year but bonus is around $5000l he doubts it will increase next year and intends to ask for a raise.
TL/DR: we have a guaranteed income of $158,000 which after we max my 401k (he doesn't get one from his employer) and our IRAs becomes total taxable income of $126,500.  After taxes I think that looks like around $100,000.
Savings:  I have $36,000 as our emergency fund.
Retirement:  I have $63,000 in retirement accounts at Vanguard.
Other expenses:  Last year our total spend was $56,000 but, if we subtract the wedding costs (which won't reoccur) and reduce the housing expenses due to refinance and the $100,000 pay out, it's closer to $40,000. 
Debt: My student loans from undergrad and law school are $66,000 at 2.8% (or variable interest rate tied to Libor).  My monthly payment is $1350.  I can refinance again to pay a lower rate (1.9%) and perhaps lower monthly payment.  I've been paying $2000 a month though.  My goal is to wipe this out before next president takes office.
We own the condo where we live in Atlanta.  His parents downsized and want to give us $100,000 from the proceeds of that to put into real estate.  We owe $200,000 on mortgage with a 4.85% interest rate and $1800 monthly payment.  But, with a refinance to a 3.9% rate and putting that 100k into the principal, will have a monthly mortgage, HOA, insurance, tax payment of less than $1000/mo. 
Transport:  We own the 2008 Subaru Outback with 125,000 miles that my husband uses to commute to work.  Public transport is not an option for him bc Atlanta.  I walk to work.  Husband's grandmother no longer drives and wants to give us her 2012 Honda civic but we only have parking for one car.  Should we sell Subaru and take civic?  or sell civic and use that money towards my husband's retirement?
Other expenses:  Last year our total spend was $56,000 but, if we subtract the wedding costs (which won't reoccur) and reduce the housing expenses due to refinance and the $100,000 pay out, our annual living expenses are closer to $40,000. 
This means we have about $60,000 leftover to work towards retirement and debt reduction. 
The easy answer here is that I refinance, use the $100,000 towards the mortgage and then free up the money for u to tackle our loans.
We're not focused on FIRE per se; we just want to be able to free ourselves to choose careers that matter to us (I was previously working at a law firm where I made more but it was awful and didn't work out and I don't want to do that again).
It seems like refinancing and putting the money into the mortgage is a no brainer since it's our largest debt and we're not allowed to use it except for real estate we live in. But we also don;t love where we live so it feels weird to put money into the condo since we don't want to stay here and ultimately would prefer to move and sell it.  Also not sure what we should do about the car.

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Re: Mid-30s DINK couple debt payment and retirement strategy
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2019, 10:13:49 AM »
I would definitely use that $100k to refinance and reduce your mortgage payment. That would reduce your living expenses by almost $10k/year. Seems like a no brainer to me. If you were allowed to use it to buy an investment property then that would change my mind.

As far as everything else goes, I think you're in a great position and it probably doesn't matter much which car you keep or how quickly you pay off the student loan. Though your living expenses will decrease significantly once your student loan is paid off. With the cheaper mortgage you'd be FI in 5-6 years, that's about as good as it gets.

Congrats on what you've accomplished so far!

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Re: Mid-30s DINK couple debt payment and retirement strategy
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2019, 10:28:11 AM »
Your in-laws can't just give you $100,000 to put towards the house without incurring a gift tax. Are they okay paying at least $18,000 in taxes on that?

If it is joint property, they could do $60k today ($15k from FIL to you and to spouse; $15k from MIL to you and to spouse) and then $40k next week so it's in different tax years. But you've only got a few hours yet on that option!

Forgive me if I'm overlooking something here.

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Re: Mid-30s DINK couple debt payment and retirement strategy
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2019, 10:51:49 AM »
Your in-laws can't just give you $100,000 to put towards the house without incurring a gift tax. Are they okay paying at least $18,000 in taxes on that?

If it is joint property, they could do $60k today ($15k from FIL to you and to spouse; $15k from MIL to you and to spouse) and then $40k next week so it's in different tax years. But you've only got a few hours yet on that option!

Forgive me if I'm overlooking something here.

Yeah I'm worried about that.  What if they put it in a trust?

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Re: Mid-30s DINK couple debt payment and retirement strategy
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2019, 11:26:42 AM »
Your in-laws can't just give you $100,000 to put towards the house without incurring a gift tax. Are they okay paying at least $18,000 in taxes on that?

If it is joint property, they could do $60k today ($15k from FIL to you and to spouse; $15k from MIL to you and to spouse) and then $40k next week so it's in different tax years. But you've only got a few hours yet on that option!

Forgive me if I'm overlooking something here.

Yeah I'm worried about that.  What if they put it in a trust?

There's always so much confusion/misinformation about gift taxes.

Unless they have previously given away millions, the lifetime exemption ($11.4 million in 2019), they will not owe any gift taxes on giving you $100,000. They will need to report the gifts but that is a simple tax form.

Splitting it between 2 years would be the way to avoid even filing the gift tax return.

This article is a fairly good explanation.
https://www.fool.com/taxes/2019/01/05/gift-tax-in-2019-how-much-can-you-give-before-havi.aspx

HTH

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Re: Mid-30s DINK couple debt payment and retirement strategy
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2020, 07:55:03 AM »
I know you said you were not looking at fire but it looks like you are behind a standard retirement timeline.  By age 40 you should have about 2x annual income saved for retirement so in your case this would be about 350k and you currently have 63k saved up.  Does your husband max his IRA (trad or roth?)?

The 100k gift is extremely generous and since they have stipulated it must go to your mortgage I'll play along there.  Is there any reason you can't just apply it to principal and not refinance?  If you were able to do that, the interest savings between the original loan and the refi loan over 2 years is $960 so unless your closing costs are under $960 it might not make sense to refi if you wanted to aggressively pay down the mortgage.

Regarding the car, I love subaru's but it may make sense to sell your 2008 for the newer honda civic especially since winter driving is not a major concern. 

Finally, your EF seems really high at ~11 months of expenses.  Is there a reason you have so much saved up there?

If you sold the subaru for 5k, trimmed your EF down to 20k thus freeing up 16k, and included your 60k of leftover money, and the 100k gift that gives you a pot of 181k to work with for 2020.   


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Re: Mid-30s DINK couple debt payment and retirement strategy
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2020, 01:19:30 PM »
I know you said you were not looking at fire but it looks like you are behind a standard retirement timeline.  By age 40 you should have about 2x annual income saved for retirement so in your case this would be about 350k and you currently have 63k saved up.  Does your husband max his IRA (trad or roth?)?

The 100k gift is extremely generous and since they have stipulated it must go to your mortgage I'll play along there.  Is there any reason you can't just apply it to principal and not refinance?  If you were able to do that, the interest savings between the original loan and the refi loan over 2 years is $960 so unless your closing costs are under $960 it might not make sense to refi if you wanted to aggressively pay down the mortgage.
 
Finally, your EF seems really high at ~11 months of expenses.  Is there a reason you have so much saved up there?If you sold the subaru for 5k, trimmed your EF down to 20k thus freeing up 16k, and included your 60k of leftover money, and the 100k gift that gives you a pot of 181k to work with for 2020.   


Oh I know we are behind on retirement.  I was in law school for 3 years and couldn't contribute for the last three years to a 401k since my employer didn't offer one.   My husband hasn;t made more than 35k until last year so he really was having a hard time putting any away (esp since his employer didn't offer health insurance until 2 years ago).  I've been maxxing my 401k since I got one, but just don't see how we can save much if his only tax advantaged option is an IRA.  Unless you have a 401k there's not really an ability to shelter more than 6000 a year for retirement. 

The mortgage and deed were originally in my name (as I bought them before our marriage) but my husband's parents are putting in 100k so he can be on them too which would require the underwriting and recording/legal fees anyway.  So, because my lender was offering a waiver of lender fees and the interest rate will drop, I fgured I may as well refinance too, since we'd be paying for the other stuff anyway.

I have alot in my EF because my housing and loan payments alone are $3000/mo and I wanted to have enough if we needed to buy a new car.  I could definitely draw it down now that we have the other car option. 

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Re: Mid-30s DINK couple debt payment and retirement strategy
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2020, 02:18:06 PM »
I see, that makes sense.  In that case it might be worth doing the refi as long as the cost is low. 




 

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