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How are we doing? Financial check up
« on: April 07, 2023, 06:33:13 PM »
Dear all, long time lurker and first time poster.  Would love your thoughts on the following - any tips to sweat the assets harder, simplify, improve etc? Comments, questions, critiques welcome. 

Fortunately I think we are in decent shape, but both my wife and I grew up in rather modest circumstances ….and those occasional feelings of insecurity never quite go away.

Thank you!


Our details:
Me, 43, and wife, 38. Two kids - #1 is 6 years in kindergarten, and #2 is 1.5 years old and.

Taxes:  New York state, MFJ but single earner household.

We live in MCOL suburb of NYC and I work in the city. 

Income:  ~$275-300k per year, which is $250k salary (got a big raise last year) and the balance from a bonus.  Can be volatile (for example made $347k in 2021, $357k in 2022, and was usually around $275k for several years prior)...and could go much higher if I have a really good year. 

Wife is SAHM but hopefully will go back to work within the next year or two.  I do not think she will have a high paying job however - but for argument's sake let's say might be making another $75-100k within several years too. 

Overall retirement portfolio is currently $1.53 million. Target asset allocation is roughly 80-20 EQ and FI/cash split as follows:

79.7% Equity = $1.22mn
-48.5% US EQ (ITOT) = $742k
-24.9% Intl Developed EQ (VXUS/VEA) = $380k
-6.3% EM EQ (VWO) = $96k

20.4% FI/cash = $311k
-11% Fixed Income (BSIIX) = $169k  Entire bond allocation is held inside a 401k.
-4.5% Cash = $68k mostly HY savings @ 3.75%.
-4.8% iBonds = $75k (if inflation cools and iBond rates drop, will look to redeem some of this and probably put into BND....But have been able to clip the high iBond coupons for the last few years.)

In terms of the "location" of assets:
-Cash/HY savings = $68k
-iBonds = $75k
-Roth IRA = $71k
-IRA = $103k
-Roth 401k = $72k
-401k = $246k
-Taxable / Brokerage = $701k
-Overseas pension plan (long story, but this is from 4 years of work outside the USA in VHCOL from 2010-2014 - can’t access until 55 years old without incurring huge tax hit) = $196k.  This is in a passive global equity fund. 

Within the above, 89% passive / 11% active management, and overall annual fees on the full $1.53mn work out to 6.1 bp.

Not included in the $1.53mn above

-NYS 529 #1 = $97k
-NYS 529 #2 = $63k
-Equity in home = $250k.  Home is worth about $600k according to Zillow (we believe more based on some recent sales in the neighborhood) and has a $118k mortgage.   

Including these, we are at $1.93mn total.

Please note:
-Debt: None
-Max out 401k
-Max out IRAs for wife and I
-Max out 529 at $5k for each child, with an additional $5k for each.  (Aim for $20k overall per year going forward)
-No access to HSA
-We have term life insurance through 2049 (ie a 30yr policy that we took out in 2019) for both parents. When it expires I’ll be 70 and my wife 65. Coverage is $2mn each ($4mn total), which costs $3k a year that we pay in full each January.  Possibly over-insured (we may look to shorten this by 5 years), but we sleep easier.
-One car, fully paid off

Expenses per month: Roughly $5000 - food, gas, health insurance (our biggest expense), activities, etc.  May have a bump in a year or two for nursery school (3 hours per day) for the youngest, maybe higher if we put in a full day care.  Our town has excellent public schools so do not expect at the moment to go down the private school route. 

Also: Long story short, we live in the same home I grew up in (moved back here during the pandemic) and the mortgage/utilities are paid by my elderly mother who lives with us - she hopes to fully pay off in 3-5 years.  When (god forbid) she passes, my sibling and I expect to inherit the home 50-50.

Goals-wise; I suppose working for another 10 years, and perhaps $3-5mn would be a nice round number to hit.  Figuring out our “plan” and “number” is also probably another thing to look at.

When the kids are both out of high school (so still a good 20 years away!) we hope to spend more time in Spain where my wife is from.  Could therefore see us buying a small apartment in a MCOL city on the Mediterranean at some stage. 


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« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2023, 02:20:15 PM »
Did you tax loss harvest into ITOT? Just curious.

Otherwise, I think it's a matter of whether you mind working that long. You're looking at a British expat, pre Brexit type retirement in Spain, but with wealth accumulated at US tax rates. Impressive!

And super well funded 529s -- almost overfunded? I'm not knowledgeable about NY state tax benefits, but there must have been a justification there.

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« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2023, 02:52:30 PM »
Have you considered completely rethinking what is possible?  With a $1.5M invested stache and annual living expenses of $60k, you are FI.  Why give another ten years of your life to an employer for money?

Maybe work another 2-3 years, pay off the house(nvm, I see this is covered), get some more cushion, hit $2M and call it a day.  Spend your time raising the kids, instead of paying for day care.  Do whatever the F you want.
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« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2023, 06:11:02 PM »
You could sell your house and move to the midwest and retire.

You can still buy a 3 bed/1 bath house in my city for <100k.

With health insurance as your biggest expense, have you looked at aca subsidies for after you retire?

https://www.healthcare.gov/see-plans/

You might be surprised.

Or you could stay where you are and work 3 more years and call it a day.

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« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2023, 08:15:27 PM »
Congrats, you're FI.

Now figure out what you want to do with your life.

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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2023, 12:14:48 PM »
Unless you really want to inflate your lifestyle there is no way you need to work for another 10 years.

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« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2023, 12:36:57 PM »
I would definitely drop the insurance down several notches, or eliminate it entirely.  With nearly 2 mill in assets already, why do you need 4 mill in insurance?  Check and see what the social security survivor benefits would be for your kids and a surviving spouse/guardian.  Probably more than enough to cover their needs through childhood, and your current assets could be used for that, too.  Put the 6k into their college funds instead.

Have you discussed with sibling what the plans are for the house once you have joint ownership?  That seems to be a rather big unknown in the plan. 

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« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2023, 01:14:52 PM »
It sounds like you're doing really well. If your expenses are accurate at $50,000 per year, then you are already FI. But if your expenses and income are both accurate and your income has been that high for several years, then it seems like your total numbers would be higher. Before you make any big decisions one way or another, it might be good to track how much you have actually spent over the last few years, just to be certain.

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« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2023, 03:23:18 PM »
Wait, you made over 350k last year but live with your elderly mother who pays the mortgage for the house with the intention of paying it off, to the tune of 118k in the next 3-5 years, after which you will inherit half? 

 

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« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2023, 06:39:27 PM »
Did you tax loss harvest into ITOT? Just curious.

Otherwise, I think it's a matter of whether you mind working that long. You're looking at a British expat, pre Brexit type retirement in Spain, but with wealth accumulated at US tax rates. Impressive!

And super well funded 529s -- almost overfunded? I'm not knowledgeable about NY state tax benefits, but there must have been a justification there.

No did, not tax harvest into ITOT. 

We have front loaded the 529s while the kids are young to simply to obtain as much tax-free growth as possible before college. NYS does also allow a $5k tax credit per child per year.

Our parents could not help very much with college expenses and frankly I never want my kids to face the same pressures which were a huge distraction to my studies, and the many years of payments afterwards. So we’ll keep adding to this for a while yet. Happy to be persuaded otherwise if this is a bonehead move - this so far has not come at the expense of retirement savings which hopefully are in decent shape.

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« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2023, 06:45:18 PM »
Have you considered completely rethinking what is possible?  With a $1.5M invested stache and annual living expenses of $60k, you are FI.  Why give another ten years of your life to an employer for money?

Maybe work another 2-3 years, pay off the house(nvm, I see this is covered), get some more cushion, hit $2M and call it a day.  Spend your time raising the kids, instead of paying for day care.  Do whatever the F you want.


I think it may be a bit premature to retire, however tempting! The kids will no doubt be more expensive as they get older (+see comment above re college expenses) There is also a chance that our parents may need elder care at some point so that is another possible expense.

As we can’t access most of these funds for over a decade anyway (except for brokerage/taxable funds), I figure I ought to “make hay while the sun shines” and squirrel away as much as possible....

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« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2023, 06:48:34 PM »
I would definitely drop the insurance down several notches, or eliminate it entirely.  With nearly 2 mill in assets already, why do you need 4 mill in insurance?  Check and see what the social security survivor benefits would be for your kids and a surviving spouse/guardian.  Probably more than enough to cover their needs through childhood, and your current assets could be used for that, too.  Put the 6k into their college funds instead.

Have you discussed with sibling what the plans are for the house once you have joint ownership?  That seems to be a rather big unknown in the plan.

Please note that life insurance is $3k total for both policies per year (not $3k each). Yes, we are probably overinsured but if something happens to one or both of us, the kids will be taken care of. For us, that $3k a year is worth it for the time being. But agree it’s something to think about adjusting.

Yes for sure - need to discuss the house situation. We may well buy my sibling out, which would be another expense.

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« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2023, 06:57:14 PM »
It sounds like you're doing really well. If your expenses are accurate at $50,000 per year, then you are already FI. But if your expenses and income are both accurate and your income has been that high for several years, then it seems like your total numbers would be higher. Before you make any big decisions one way or another, it might be good to track how much you have actually spent over the last few years, just to be certain.


you are probably right, expenses are higher than $5k some months (but occasionally also less).  That figure may have been a bit "finger in the air".  Probably will budget a higher number to be on safe side which may delay FI

Total figures may not be as high as they could be because:

1/ we were paying off $100k of undergrad/grad student loans from 2005-2012;

2/ we didn’t really knuckle down on saving/investing as much as possible until 2015 (when income jumped following a promotion) - probably invested a bit too conservatively for several years before that as well;

3/ from 2010-2019 we lived overseas in two of the world’s most expensive (but also amazing) cities, not to mention NYC isn’t cheap either when we we have been stateside! Got out of NYC when pandemic hit and no plans to return;

4/Took a career break from June 2019-Nov 2020, after we moved back to the USA;

5/Have spent $100k on home renovations over the last 2.5 years to make the house more kid/family friendly and generally do some long-overdue repairs.  (Tricky to untangle these expenses from "regular" monthly expenses)

could I have optimized a little better over the last decade?  Sure, but not many regrets when I look back on it...YOLO!

Hopefully have a few years of high earnings/savings left in the tank to make up for it.  And fortunately have nearly recouped any lost earnings from career break noted above too...
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« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2023, 07:00:12 PM »
I figure I ought to “make hay while the sun shines” and squirrel away as much as possible....

That's all well and good, but if you don't have a specific plan for when you have "enough" then you'll just be in OMY hell indefinitely.

Kids don't stay young forever, and neither do you. Make a plan.

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« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2023, 07:02:17 PM »
Wait, you made over 350k last year but live with your elderly mother who pays the mortgage for the house with the intention of paying it off, to the tune of 118k in the next 3-5 years, after which you will inherit half?

Yes. Saving on housing like this will hopefully advance our retirement by many years. Living with someone in their late 80s (who fortunately remains in good health) along with two young children is not without its challenges, but we make it work.
(don’t ask why there a mortgage on the house in the first place…🤦‍♂️)
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« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2023, 07:07:29 PM »
I figure I ought to “make hay while the sun shines” and squirrel away as much as possible....

That's all well and good, but if you don't have a specific plan for when you have "enough" then you'll just be in OMY hell indefinitely.

Kids don't stay young forever, and neither do you. Make a plan.

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I hear you.  At this stage, our thinking has got as far as spending more time (as I mentioned) in Europe/Spain when the kids are out of high school - which would still be about 16 years away for the youngest!  If we move the timing up, would definitely think through an alternative path
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« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2023, 09:32:37 PM »
Yeah, you could easily move the timing up to "now", or at the very least in a year or two.

I mean, if you love your work and don't mind being away from your family/not pursuing other interests, then great. I still do some work because I like it, but it's not about money.

As of today, you're spending your non-replaceable life to get money you probably don't need. What will on-your-deathbed Stick5vw in 40 years think of that decision?

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« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2023, 04:56:00 AM »
Wait, you made over 350k last year but live with your elderly mother who pays the mortgage for the house with the intention of paying it off, to the tune of 118k in the next 3-5 years, after which you will inherit half?

Yes. Saving on housing like this will hopefully advance our retirement by many years. Living with someone in their late 80s (who fortunately remains in good health) along with two young children is not without its challenges, but we make it work.
(don’t ask why there a mortgage on the house in the first place…🤦‍♂️)

You are really missing my point. It sounds like you are taking advantage of an elderly woman.
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Wait, you made over 350k last year but live with your elderly mother who pays the mortgage for the house with the intention of paying it off, to the tune of 118k in the next 3-5 years, after which you will inherit half?

Yes. Saving on housing like this will hopefully advance our retirement by many years. Living with someone in their late 80s (who fortunately remains in good health) along with two young children is not without its challenges, but we make it work.
(don’t ask why there a mortgage on the house in the first place…🤦‍♂️)

You are really missing my point. It sounds like you are taking advantage of an elderly woman.

Our family would disagree.  Mom hasn’t lifted a finger in 3 years - we cook, clean, drive her everywhere, pay for all food, school/property taxes, fixed up her house, and she gets to see her grandkids every day. She wasn’t alone during the worst of the pandemic.  She would be paying the mortgage anyway, so we feel it works out well for everyone. We are all very happy. 

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« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2023, 08:21:18 AM »
It sounds like you're doing really well. If your expenses are accurate at $50,000 per year, then you are already FI. But if your expenses and income are both accurate and your income has been that high for several years, then it seems like your total numbers would be higher. Before you make any big decisions one way or another, it might be good to track how much you have actually spent over the last few years, just to be certain.


you are probably right, expenses are higher than $5k some months (but occasionally also less).  That figure may have been a bit "finger in the air".  Probably will budget a higher number to be on safe side which may delay FI

Total figures may not be as high as they could be because:

1/ we were paying off $100k of undergrad/grad student loans from 2005-2012;

2/ we didn’t really knuckle down on saving/investing as much as possible until 2015 (when income jumped following a promotion) - probably invested a bit too conservatively for several years before that as well;

3/ from 2010-2019 we lived overseas in two of the world’s most expensive (but also amazing) cities, not to mention NYC isn’t cheap either when we we have been stateside! Got out of NYC when pandemic hit and no plans to return;

4/Took a career break from June 2019-Nov 2020, after we moved back to the USA;

5/Have spent $100k on home renovations over the last 2.5 years to make the house more kid/family friendly and generally do some long-overdue repairs.  (Tricky to untangle these expenses from "regular" monthly expenses)

could I have optimized a little better over the last decade?  Sure, but not many regrets when I look back on it...YOLO!

Hopefully have a few years of high earnings/savings left in the tank to make up for it.  And fortunately have nearly recouped any lost earnings from career break noted above too...

My takeaway from this is that you don't really have a handle on the spending associated with your current lifestyle, because you haven't had that consistent history to draw from.  And that means that what you really need to do is to track what you actually spend, every month, because you're going to find it's a lot higher than you think.

Sure, the loans were a one-time thing.  But as soon as they were gone, you went abroad to a VHCOL area.  And as soon as you came back, you threw $100K into the house.  Now it's 529s.  Later it will be buying out your sibling on the house, and after that a second home abroad.  Etc.

None of these choices are "bad" or "wrong"!  But they were choices, and they each added significant $$ to your required outflow.  Which means that your annual spend wasn't really $50K, it was some (much) higher number.  At some point, you can't really consider those one-offs to be one-offs anymore, because one bleeds into the next, so you always have something extra going on with your money.*  So if you want to be able to maintain a lifestyle that allows you to do those future things like buy out your sibling and buy a second home abroad, you need to plan for those as part of your current budget.  To put it another way, your current budget needs to include all of the things you are currently spending money on, and your future budget needs to include all of the things you plan to spend money on.  And based on what you wrote, neither of those is $50K.

On the flip side, I'd also recommend that you challenge your thinking about what you actually need to be happy.  You laughed at the idea that you're already FI and can quit any time -- as if that couldn't possibly be true, because you need over 2x as much.  And that's just crap.  You have a whole variety of options before you.  You already have more in the bank than the vast majority of Americans, and you can live forever on that $$$ if that's your priority.  Or you can choose to keep working for some unidentified time to get to some bigger unidentified number.  But at least recognize it is a choice that you are consciously making -- that you are choosing to work many more years to fund a $3-5M retirement lifestyle, instead of quitting now to live a more modest one. 

Of course, the problem is that as long as the costs of your future life remain undefined, you're locked into continuing to work to meet that unknown number -- which, of course, also gives you more time to find more things to spend more money on.  This is an excellent time to figure out what your real priorities are -- and how much longer you'd need to work to meet those priorities.  Caring for aged parents?  Great priority.  So what options do you have there -- home care?  Nursing home?  CCRC?  What do those options cost, and how long do people tend to need them?  Apartment abroad?  Fun!  What area?  How much is real estate there?  How much would an apartment you like actually cost to buy?  What are the carrying costs?  Each of these long-term ideas involves a number; you may not be able to quantify it exactly, but you can do the work to come up with an estimate now.  And once you have that estimate, you can back-calculate to figure out how many more months/years you need to work to get that thing.  Only then will you be in a position to really think through whether meeting that particular goal is worth the life-energy you will expend to get there.

Finally:  words matter.  You say your DW likely won't get a very high-paid position, but then assume she could make $100K or more.  Dude, that is high-paid!!  It may not feel like it, given your history with VHCOL areas, but it is.  So acknowledge that and give it its due.  You are currently a high-earner, even if it doesn't feel like it by comparison to others in your immediate area, and you could be very high-earners if your wife goes back to work.  That gives you many, many choices that not everyone has.  So make sure you make those choices intentionally, and not by simply drifting along in the high-earning, high-spending life that is so easy to fall into in that part of the country.


*Ask me how I know.  When we finally finished a big home remodel c. 2007, I thought, wow, that was a metric shit-ton of money, but at least it's done and our spending can revert to normal.  Then it was a new car.  Then a deck.  Then a new roof.  Then an unexpected double-vacation-time year that led to a month of travel.  And 10 years later, I realized that our spending still hadn't decreased to what I considered "normal," because there was always something extra happening, so I'd better consider that extra stuff part of my normal.

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« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2023, 04:04:46 PM »
It sounds like you're doing really well. If your expenses are accurate at $50,000 per year, then you are already FI. But if your expenses and income are both accurate and your income has been that high for several years, then it seems like your total numbers would be higher. Before you make any big decisions one way or another, it might be good to track how much you have actually spent over the last few years, just to be certain.



you are probably right, expenses are higher than $5k some months (but occasionally also less).  That figure may have been a bit "finger in the air".  Probably will budget a higher number to be on safe side which may delay FI

Total figures may not be as high as they could be because:

1/ we were paying off $100k of undergrad/grad student loans from 2005-2012;

2/ we didn’t really knuckle down on saving/investing as much as possible until 2015 (when income jumped following a promotion) - probably invested a bit too conservatively for several years before that as well;

3/ from 2010-2019 we lived overseas in two of the world’s most expensive (but also amazing) cities, not to mention NYC isn’t cheap either when we we have been stateside! Got out of NYC when pandemic hit and no plans to return;

4/Took a career break from June 2019-Nov 2020, after we moved back to the USA;

5/Have spent $100k on home renovations over the last 2.5 years to make the house more kid/family friendly and generally do some long-overdue repairs.  (Tricky to untangle these expenses from "regular" monthly expenses)

could I have optimized a little better over the last decade?  Sure, but not many regrets when I look back on it...YOLO!

Hopefully have a few years of high earnings/savings left in the tank to make up for it.  And fortunately have nearly recouped any lost earnings from career break noted above too...

My takeaway from this is that you don't really have a handle on the spending associated with your current lifestyle, because you haven't had that consistent history to draw from.  And that means that what you really need to do is to track what you actually spend, every month, because you're going to find it's a lot higher than you think.

Sure, the loans were a one-time thing.  But as soon as they were gone, you went abroad to a VHCOL area.  And as soon as you came back, you threw $100K into the house.  Now it's 529s.  Later it will be buying out your sibling on the house, and after that a second home abroad.  Etc.

None of these choices are "bad" or "wrong"!  But they were choices, and they each added significant $$ to your required outflow.  Which means that your annual spend wasn't really $50K, it was some (much) higher number.  At some point, you can't really consider those one-offs to be one-offs anymore, because one bleeds into the next, so you always have something extra going on with your money.*  So if you want to be able to maintain a lifestyle that allows you to do those future things like buy out your sibling and buy a second home abroad, you need to plan for those as part of your current budget.  To put it another way, your current budget needs to include all of the things you are currently spending money on, and your future budget needs to include all of the things you plan to spend money on.  And based on what you wrote, neither of those is $50K.

On the flip side, I'd also recommend that you challenge your thinking about what you actually need to be happy.  You laughed at the idea that you're already FI and can quit any time -- as if that couldn't possibly be true, because you need over 2x as much.  And that's just crap.  You have a whole variety of options before you.  You already have more in the bank than the vast majority of Americans, and you can live forever on that $$$ if that's your priority.  Or you can choose to keep working for some unidentified time to get to some bigger unidentified number.  But at least recognize it is a choice that you are consciously making -- that you are choosing to work many more years to fund a $3-5M retirement lifestyle, instead of quitting now to live a more modest one. 

Of course, the problem is that as long as the costs of your future life remain undefined, you're locked into continuing to work to meet that unknown number -- which, of course, also gives you more time to find more things to spend more money on.  This is an excellent time to figure out what your real priorities are -- and how much longer you'd need to work to meet those priorities.  Caring for aged parents?  Great priority.  So what options do you have there -- home care?  Nursing home?  CCRC?  What do those options cost, and how long do people tend to need them?  Apartment abroad?  Fun!  What area?  How much is real estate there?  How much would an apartment you like actually cost to buy?  What are the carrying costs?  Each of these long-term ideas involves a number; you may not be able to quantify it exactly, but you can do the work to come up with an estimate now.  And once you have that estimate, you can back-calculate to figure out how many more months/years you need to work to get that thing.  Only then will you be in a position to really think through whether meeting that particular goal is worth the life-energy you will expend to get there.

Finally:  words matter.  You say your DW likely won't get a very high-paid position, but then assume she could make $100K or more.  Dude, that is high-paid!!  It may not feel like it, given your history with VHCOL areas, but it is.  So acknowledge that and give it its due.  You are currently a high-earner, even if it doesn't feel like it by comparison to others in your immediate area, and you could be very high-earners if your wife goes back to work.  That gives you many, many choices that not everyone has.  So make sure you make those choices intentionally, and not by simply drifting along in the high-earning, high-spending life that is so easy to fall into in that part of the country.


*Ask me how I know.  When we finally finished a big home remodel c. 2007, I thought, wow, that was a metric shit-ton of money, but at least it's done and our spending can revert to normal.  Then it was a new car.  Then a deck.  Then a new roof.  Then an unexpected double-vacation-time year that led to a month of travel.  And 10 years later, I realized that our spending still hadn't decreased to what I considered "normal," because there was always something extra happening, so I'd better consider that extra stuff part of my normal.


Thank you Laura33 for the detailed response.  A lot of useful food for thought in there!