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Cheap pespective from CEE | >70% savings rate | How to invest?
« on: February 14, 2019, 09:52:12 AM »
Long time reader, first time poster - Hi! I guess my perspective will be a bit different from all that you see in US/AU/UK. But let me explain the significant differences point by point below.

Life Situation: 27, Single, no kids, living in Central-Eastern Europe.

Gross Salary/Wages: ~70k USD (assuming exchange rate as of today), this is well above average salary in my country (4x) and even more above avg for ppl of my age (5x/6x)

Individual amounts of each Pre-tax deductions: I use all income tax deductions available and I do max all retirement accounts (but, hey, they have pathetic annual limits of ~1.5k USD... however they provide immediate tax benefits of 25% return)

Other Ordinary Income: None

Rental Income, Actual Expenses, and Depreciation: Two apartments; bought without mortgage.
1) Purchase&renovation price: 60k USD; Current value: 90k USD; Net annual income (after tax, repairs, utilities etc.): 6k USD
2) Purchase&renovation price: 110k USD; Current value: 140k USD; Net annual income (after tax, repairs, utilities etc.): 9k USD

Net annual income (incl. rental income): ~60k USD

Current annual expenses: ~14k USD
Lean:
Accommodation: ~1k USD (living alone in a relatively small apt, owned by my family (70%) and myself (30%); no mortgage)
Food: ~1.8k USD
Restaurants: ~1.4k USD (mostly dinners with my girlfriend)
Transportation: ~0,8k USD (uber, public transit)
Education: ~0.5k USD (various certificates, supporting me in achieving above-average salaries)
Health: 0,5k USD (insurance + medicines)
Misc: ~1k USD
Travel: ~4k USD (yeah, I spend ~5weeks on vacations annually; usually include a couple of city breaks and one bigger 15-20days holidays in Asia/Americas)
Gifts: ~3k USD (2k of this is to my family, which I treat it as interest expense, will explain later)

Expected ER expenses:
Lean FIRE: As you can see I would be able to cut down on travel and gifts (they are never expected nor awaited), so theoretically I would be able to survive on ~9-10k USD

Full FIRE: Amount I would feel safely with is however ~40k USD annually, because:
1) Currently my employer cofinances many activities (food; hotels; flights; loyalty miles/points for travel that I use during private trips)
2) Living in my apt is not feasibile in long term (very old building, I do plan on moving out within 1-2 years, which will likely double my accommodation cost)
3) Health insurance for not working ppl is relatively expensive
4) I plan to have a kid (maybe 2) in the long term

Assets:
TOTAL: 260k USD
Rental apt #1: 60k USD (purchase cost as I do not treat recent price increase as sustainable)
Rental apt #2: 110k USD (purchase cost as I do not treat recent price increase as sustainable)
My current apt: 30k USD (30% share; total value ~100k)
High-paying interest accounts/term deposits: 35k USD (@4% annually)
Silver/gold: 15k USD
Mics: 10k USD; incl. 3k USD in retirement accounts

Liabilities:
60k USD family loan @0%, however I give them ~2k gifts annually which I wouldn't otherwise - so the rate is ~3.3% - below mortgage interest in my country; We have a gentlemen agreement to start paying it back as of 2019 year end.

Current credit card liabilities which are always paid down, so I will not include them here

Specific Questions:
1) To readers around my age - how do I stand from your perspective?
2) Should I take a couple of mortgages to purchase next investment properties (I have access to flats paying ~7-8% annually; I can finance it 80-90% with ~4% mortgage but on variable terms - when a crisis hits this may go up significantly)
3) Local stock market is sh*t. Should I go broader and start buying Schwab/Vanguard ETFs on wide range of stocks? I am a bit afraid of currency exchange risk. Historically when US markets go up; local currency depreciates and the other way round... Similarly for other markets. Additionally, I would have to buy it from foreign brokers - paying ~1% fees on the purchase...
4) How risky from your perspective is my allocation in real estate? What would be a safer option?

Thank you!
CEE Investor
« Last Edit: February 14, 2019, 09:55:33 AM by CEE Investor »

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Re: Cheap pespective from CEE | >70% savings rate | How to invest?
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2019, 10:46:05 AM »
Obviously I can’t speak to specifics of your country. There has to be a way to open a brokerage account with a domestic provider and buy a low-cost international stock market index. I find it hard to believe that something like that wouldn’t be available. Can you search some county-specific investing sites for advice on how to proceed? I’d hate to see you pay 1% fees to do that, but I almost feel that 1% is better than not investing at all.

I don’t personally do real estate investing because I’m too lazy and have easy alternatives available to me. How confident are you in the stability of your area’s real estate market? Could you diversify by buying in other regions/countries?

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Re: Cheap pespective from CEE | >70% savings rate | How to invest?
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2019, 10:48:45 AM »
Another thought on investing internationally: I think the broader you can have your stock market investments, the safer it will be. Do you want a broad all-world stock market index that gets you as many companies across as many countries as possible. Sure, investments like this will go up and down. That is why you get such good historical returns on stocks because you can handle the bumpy ride. If you are investing for the long term what do you care if the account balance is up or down over the space of several months? Your timeframe is decades.