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Re: Case Study - Weird career oh high salary for first 5 years
« Reply #50 on: October 12, 2021, 12:17:27 PM »

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Sounds like it’s going to plan.  Here’s my big note: if you aren’t making hours, then your firm or department is a disaster area, you aren’t trying, or your superiors think your work sucks.  Let me suggest this, hound partners and more senior attorneys for more work. Let it be known to your colleagues you’d love to do more. That bonus is a huge loss in your annual income and you shouldn’t ever accept a year where you don’t get it when you’re deliberately grinding in the dumpster fire that is legal practice in New York.
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It was actually the first one - practice group was a bit of a disaster. Thankfully I lateralled immediately after this post and received what would've been the missed bonus as a sign-on.

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« Reply #51 on: October 12, 2021, 12:24:06 PM »
Just about a year from this last update and it was fun to see the progress, so I thought I'd do another one.

We had our wedding and it was a great day. Also got a puppy which has been very fun for us. NW is up to about $725k largely due to housing appreciation, several large bonuses at work, and this bull market run. Invested assets is only about $400k of that (rest is home equity and cash). I have been at my new job for over a year now and it's been great - similar environment so still a lot of work, but nice people and a much more stable work flow. Could definitely see myself doing a few more years here unless one of these federal job applications manages to stick. Monthly spending has been pretty stable, maybe a hair higher now that going out for food and drinks is a bit more common than during the earlier portions of the pandemic.

Thought it would be fun to provide an update. Seems like things are generally on track for this plan I made 2+ years ago, which is fun to see.

I'm engaged (would be married but we pushed the wedding to 2021 bc of covid).

NW is about $350k when you include the equity in the house we bought on Long Island.

Still at the same biglaw firm, although I will almost certainly miss my bonus this year because of low hours. Applied to a federal gov job, but I don;t have particularly high hopes.

Been working from home since March, so I'm yet to do the commute, which should be about 1:10 each way via train and e-scooter.

Monthly spending is a bit higher with a mortgage, higher utilities, necessary car, etc. but not all that much due to reduced spending going out and cheaper food/drinks than the city. I'm typically at about $4k/mo now (6k total split 2/3 with fiance). Salary is at 220k, fiance is at about 67k. 

Hope you all are healthy & wealthy!


Topic Title: Case Study - I'm 25, new lawyer, my career is odd in that I'm starting (before tax) at $195k, which will end up at about $350k by my 5th year (large firm, lockstep pay). I don't see a world in which I can do these hours for more than 5 years, so at that point I'l likely switch to government or in house at likely around $100k until FI/RE or some part-time situation.

My question is if this weird path warrants any significant changes to the normal MMM plan of saving as much as possible and investing in a vanguard fund. Thanks!

Life Situation: IRS filing status - single with a long time SO, probably kids within 5 years, work/live in NYC but hoping to return to Long Island to raise a future family.

Gross Salary/Wages: 195k

Individual amounts of each Pre-tax deductions 401k (have to wait a bit longer bc of my job being new), HSA (still on dad's insurance until the end of 2018 - thanks Obama), IRA (make too much, but I put $15k from summer jobs in college in a Roth before I finished law school)


Taxes: Federal, state/local, and FICA.  These should be consistent with your AGI and Life Situation.  For non-U.S. posters, we’ll have to take your word for these. Living in NYC I get about 5500/month taken out in taxes, netting me about $9100/mo

Current expenses (monthly):
Rent - $1490 (but puts me in a 15min commute)
Food - $100
Going out - $700 (restaurants, bars, events, etc)
Travel - $170 (subway metrocard + LIRR visiting family twice a month)
Dry cleaning - $30
Subscriptions - $15
Internet - $15
Utilities - $35
Phone - $65 (my portion of split family plan)
Gifts - $50
Clothes - $25
Other - $200

Total - $2900

Assets:
Roth IRA - 15k
3-year CD - 15k
2-year CD - 2.5k
Savings Account - 14k
Checking account - 8k

Liabilities: $60k private family loan over 7 years of school (mostly taken care of via scholarships)

Specific Question(s): Should the sort of backwards expected income over 10 years change my plans compared to alot of the typical MMM advice? Thank you!

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Re: Case Study - Weird career oh high salary for first 5 years
« Reply #52 on: October 13, 2021, 02:57:19 AM »
Congrats! How are you liking LI vs. NYC? Are you in Suffolk or Nassau? We're out by the end of the Ronkonkoma LIRR line if you ever wanted to do a mini-MMM meetup.

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Re: Case Study - Weird career oh high salary for first 5 years
« Reply #53 on: October 14, 2021, 08:32:10 PM »
$725k in Oct 2021 from 350k in Sept 2021 is amazing progress!  At this point, you have serious options should the biglaw grind start to wear you down.  I've actually found that to be a key part of staying in biglaw longer: it's easier to handle the stress if you know that you could quit tomorrow and be fine.  And with ~$3000 in monthly expenses and a spouse making somewhere around $67k a year, you could indeed.   

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Re: Case Study - Weird career oh high salary for first 5 years
« Reply #54 on: October 20, 2021, 07:56:45 AM »
Congrats! How are you liking LI vs. NYC? Are you in Suffolk or Nassau? We're out by the end of the Ronkonkoma LIRR line if you ever wanted to do a mini-MMM meetup.

LI has been great - we have a ton of family and friends in the area (all Nassau). Truthfully though, I don't know what I was thinking when we were looking to make this move pre-covid. WFH has been so helpful in so many ways. Now I'm back in office 1-2 days a week and it's a great balance. If there's ever an event/enough people I would definitely try to make it to a LI MMM meetup!

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Re: Case Study - Weird career oh high salary for first 5 years
« Reply #55 on: October 20, 2021, 08:00:33 AM »
$725k in Oct 2021 from 350k in Sept 2021 is amazing progress!  At this point, you have serious options should the biglaw grind start to wear you down.  I've actually found that to be a key part of staying in biglaw longer: it's easier to handle the stress if you know that you could quit tomorrow and be fine.  And with ~$3000 in monthly expenses and a spouse making somewhere around $67k a year, you could indeed.

Couldn't agree more about NW making this job more bearable. Those first few years I think are so stressful because you know the opportunity for $$ in the upcoming few years and you don't want to risk blowing it and missing out. Once you've actually managed to secure a sizeable amount it sort of feels like the job is "done" to a degree. I always assumed I'd be 3-5 years and then off to government or something else. Here I am year 5 and feeling comfortable, although always on the lookout for a great opportunity. Like you said, I could quit or be fired tomorrow and likely do just fine, sort of like a lawyer version of barista FIRE lol.

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Re: Case Study - Weird career oh high salary for first 5 years
« Reply #56 on: November 01, 2021, 05:14:11 PM »
@PassMMM, just read your updates. Congrats on your blossoming life, it sounds like you've made it through the ring of fire and are likely to have pretty smooth sailing now. Way to go!

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Re: Case Study - Weird career oh high salary for first 5 years
« Reply #57 on: November 03, 2021, 06:15:08 PM »
@PassMMM, just read your updates. Congrats on your blossoming life, it sounds like you've made it through the ring of fire and are likely to have pretty smooth sailing now. Way to go!

That's the hope! I feel like everyone is waiting for this market to collapse, so who know what the next few years will bring. I'll just keep plugging along!

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« Reply #58 on: November 03, 2021, 09:14:11 PM »
Congratulations!  Love the update and how awesomely your plan is working.

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Re: Case Study - Weird career oh high salary for first 5 years
« Reply #59 on: November 04, 2021, 11:08:41 AM »
Congratulations!  Love the update and how awesomely your plan is working.

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Thanks! It's honestly a little weird going back to that first and seeing how accurately I planned out my life in so many ways. I never thought of myself as someone who planned their life out years in advance, so it's weird seeing a post from 3 years ago describing all the personal and financial milestones I've hit recently with such accuracy lol!

Appreciate everyone's comments over the years; I hope everyone is finding similar success!

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« Reply #60 on: May 01, 2022, 09:44:56 AM »
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$725k in Oct 2021 from 350k in Sept 2021 is fantastic progress!
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It is inspiring how all the individual and economic landmarks you have hit with such accurateness.
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Re: Case Study - Weird career oh high salary for first 5 years
« Reply #61 on: August 23, 2022, 03:15:57 PM »
Just about a year from this last update and it was fun to see the progress, so I thought I'd do another one.

We had our wedding and it was a great day. Also got a puppy which has been very fun for us. NW is up to about $725k largely due to housing appreciation, several large bonuses at work, and this bull market run. Invested assets is only about $400k of that (rest is home equity and cash). I have been at my new job for over a year now and it's been great - similar environment so still a lot of work, but nice people and a much more stable work flow. Could definitely see myself doing a few more years here unless one of these federal job applications manages to stick. Monthly spending has been pretty stable, maybe a hair higher now that going out for food and drinks is a bit more common than during the earlier portions of the pandemic.

Thought it would be fun to provide an update. Seems like things are generally on track for this plan I made 2+ years ago, which is fun to see.

I'm engaged (would be married but we pushed the wedding to 2021 bc of covid).

NW is about $350k when you include the equity in the house we bought on Long Island.

Still at the same biglaw firm, although I will almost certainly miss my bonus this year because of low hours. Applied to a federal gov job, but I don;t have particularly high hopes.

Been working from home since March, so I'm yet to do the commute, which should be about 1:10 each way via train and e-scooter.

Monthly spending is a bit higher with a mortgage, higher utilities, necessary car, etc. but not all that much due to reduced spending going out and cheaper food/drinks than the city. I'm typically at about $4k/mo now (6k total split 2/3 with fiance). Salary is at 220k, fiance is at about 67k. 

Hope you all are healthy & wealthy!


Topic Title: Case Study - I'm 25, new lawyer, my career is odd in that I'm starting (before tax) at $195k, which will end up at about $350k by my 5th year (large firm, lockstep pay). I don't see a world in which I can do these hours for more than 5 years, so at that point I'l likely switch to government or in house at likely around $100k until FI/RE or some part-time situation.

My question is if this weird path warrants any significant changes to the normal MMM plan of saving as much as possible and investing in a vanguard fund. Thanks!

Life Situation: IRS filing status - single with a long time SO, probably kids within 5 years, work/live in NYC but hoping to return to Long Island to raise a future family.

Gross Salary/Wages: 195k

Individual amounts of each Pre-tax deductions 401k (have to wait a bit longer bc of my job being new), HSA (still on dad's insurance until the end of 2018 - thanks Obama), IRA (make too much, but I put $15k from summer jobs in college in a Roth before I finished law school)


Taxes: Federal, state/local, and FICA.  These should be consistent with your AGI and Life Situation.  For non-U.S. posters, we’ll have to take your word for these. Living in NYC I get about 5500/month taken out in taxes, netting me about $9100/mo

Current expenses (monthly):
Rent - $1490 (but puts me in a 15min commute)
Food - $100
Going out - $700 (restaurants, bars, events, etc)
Travel - $170 (subway metrocard + LIRR visiting family twice a month)
Dry cleaning - $30
Subscriptions - $15
Internet - $15
Utilities - $35
Phone - $65 (my portion of split family plan)
Gifts - $50
Clothes - $25
Other - $200

Total - $2900

Assets:
Roth IRA - 15k
3-year CD - 15k
2-year CD - 2.5k
Savings Account - 14k
Checking account - 8k

Liabilities: $60k private family loan over 7 years of school (mostly taken care of via scholarships)

Specific Question(s): Should the sort of backwards expected income over 10 years change my plans compared to alot of the typical MMM advice? Thank you!

Seeing as it's been a while (~10 months) I thought I'd continue updating this thread. Even with the market downturn, I just about met my earlier stated goal of 500k invested before 30th birthday. I also recently crossed the threshold of $1M NW, which is pretty exciting. Still in biglaw, still applying for government jobs, but collecting 400k a year for a while longer than expected is a very silver lining for now and has clearly done wonders for my NW.

Oct 21:  745
Nov 21: 778
Dec 21: 811
Jan 22:  824
Feb 22:  890 (EOY Bonus)
Mar 22: 941 (house appreciation boom)
Apr 22:  970
May 22: 983
Jun 22:  949
Jul 22:   999
Aug 22: 1,025

For additional context, approx. breakdown of the 1,025:
$615k invested ($65k cash; $10k in i-bonds; $170 in retirement accounts; $370k in taxable brokerage). Home equity is approx. $410k; zero remaining debt (other than mortgage)

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Re: Case Study - Weird career oh high salary for first 5 years
« Reply #62 on: August 23, 2022, 10:19:51 PM »
Well done, you are doing great.

The early earning potential in biglaw is amazing.  Albeit I'm sure it requires a lot of talent and big hours!

The question I have is how are you preparing for the day you hand in your resignation?  The idea of resigning from such a highly paid role - to take a significant drop in remuneration - is something that I think I would find difficult to pull the trigger on.   

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« Reply #63 on: August 24, 2022, 02:43:00 AM »
Oooh, I love finding a new thread and it's actually an old one with great updates. Good for you for doing so much to secure your financial independence at a young age.

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« Reply #64 on: August 24, 2022, 06:56:53 AM »
Well done, you are doing great.

The early earning potential in biglaw is amazing.  Albeit I'm sure it requires a lot of talent and big hours!

The question I have is how are you preparing for the day you hand in your resignation?  The idea of resigning from such a highly paid role - to take a significant drop in remuneration - is something that I think I would find difficult to pull the trigger on.   

Great question. I think I'm well prepared to jump at the right opportunity even with the 70% pay cut. The reason I've been able to save so much is because I'm spending a fraction of may pay. The only difference in my life would be that instead of investing $15k/month, I'd be investing like $4k/month or less, but I'd still be comfortable.

I also think it helps to look at FIRE timelines. If my goals was $2M or so, I could probably achieve it in about 5 years at  my current job. But those 5 years would be grueling, the work really only gets more demanding. I'd hopefully have a small child by that time that I would be not seeing, which would be heartbreaking and somewhat unfair to my spouse who has a career of her own, and then I could pull the plug at 35 with an unusable specialty legal background to enjoy my hobbies.
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I could make less (~$150k) and hit $2M in 12 years or so being a public servant, doing work I'm proud of, setting an example for my future children, and having a chunk of my life/career that I can look back on with pride, AND retire at 42 with young kids and enjoy my hobbies etc. To me, I think option 2 sounds more appealing, and it is my preferred path. So walking away for the right gig would not be particularly difficult for me. Although I'm sure I'd miss watching these numbers grow quickly, there's a bit more to life than my personal capital app (or so I'm told)!

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« Reply #65 on: August 24, 2022, 06:58:40 AM »
Oooh, I love finding a new thread and it's actually an old one with great updates. Good for you for doing so much to secure your financial independence at a young age.

Glad others are enjoying it! Definitely fun to watch these numbers grow. Having this stack of savings really opens up options in life and removes what for most people on earth is life's biggest stressor.

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« Reply #66 on: August 24, 2022, 09:01:22 AM »
FWIW, 12 years is a *very* conservative timeline for hitting $2M, if you're starting at $1M and still contributing $50k/year.

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« Reply #67 on: August 24, 2022, 11:19:11 AM »
FWIW, 12 years is a *very* conservative timeline for hitting $2M, if you're starting at $1M and still contributing $50k/year.

Should have clarified $2M in liquid assets, so I'm only at about 600k now.

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« Reply #68 on: August 25, 2022, 06:56:33 AM »
PTF.... but at age 30 I was Negative 250K, did not own a home, recently married, and completing my medical residency -> you are was ahead of the curve!

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« Reply #69 on: October 30, 2022, 10:10:43 PM »
Stumbled back on this thread after reading the earlier posts years ago, very cool to see everything is working well for you!  You’ve obviously been living at a very small fraction of your means for the last few years, do your law firm buddies notice and think you’re nuts for not driving the latest BMW? 

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« Reply #70 on: November 03, 2022, 05:27:23 PM »
Great update!  And a great time to be plowing $15k a month into the markets. 

It seems to me like a number of biglaw firms have a new appreciation (we'll see how long it lasts) for the fact that associates are human, and sometimes cannot work like robots.  I hope you're benefiting from that. 


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« Reply #71 on: December 13, 2022, 01:11:18 PM »
Stumbled back on this thread after reading the earlier posts years ago, very cool to see everything is working well for you!  You’ve obviously been living at a very small fraction of your means for the last few years, do your law firm buddies notice and think you’re nuts for not driving the latest BMW? 

I think the one noticeable thing they see and probably scratch their heads at is my housing. I own a perfectly nice home, but it is a bit over an hour to the office. Most of them spend multiples more each month on housing that allows them a 20 minute commute or so. Other than that, my friends are down to earth and my colleagues likely don't know enough about my personal life to really know how much I'm spending or not.

Great update!  And a great time to be plowing $15k a month into the markets. 

It seems to me like a number of biglaw firms have a new appreciation (we'll see how long it lasts) for the fact that associates are human, and sometimes cannot work like robots.  I hope you're benefiting from that. 

I think that's right. Certainly the hybrid work is a massive benefit to my sanity. I happen to work with nice people and do somewhat interesting work at times. The hours are long but when so many of them are at home it doesn't feel as grueling as it used to be to walk out of an office building at 3am.

Appreciate all the comments. I'll probably do another update in the spring. Still at the same job and I think my numbers are roughly the same as they were in my August update with the market down but my contributions fighting against the current.

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« Reply #72 on: January 30, 2023, 04:56:50 PM »
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I think that's right. Certainly the hybrid work is a massive benefit to my sanity. I happen to work with nice people and do somewhat interesting work at times. The hours are long but when so many of them are at home it doesn't feel as grueling as it used to be to walk out of an office building at 3am.

Appreciate all the comments. I'll probably do another update in the spring. Still at the same job and I think my numbers are roughly the same as they were in my August update with the market down but my contributions fighting against the current.

As bad as it may feel to be fighting against the current, this is *exactly* what you want when you want it: a down market near the beginning of your career when you're pulling in a crazy salary.  Biglaw is tailor made for FIRE that way: if you hit the right conditions, compound interest from the saving you do at the beginning of your career can do most of your retirement work for you.  (Or at least, that is what you can tell yourself at 3am when you're still plugging away at it.)

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« Reply #73 on: March 22, 2023, 01:19:04 PM »
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I think that's right. Certainly the hybrid work is a massive benefit to my sanity. I happen to work with nice people and do somewhat interesting work at times. The hours are long but when so many of them are at home it doesn't feel as grueling as it used to be to walk out of an office building at 3am.

Appreciate all the comments. I'll probably do another update in the spring. Still at the same job and I think my numbers are roughly the same as they were in my August update with the market down but my contributions fighting against the current.

As bad as it may feel to be fighting against the current, this is *exactly* what you want when you want it: a down market near the beginning of your career when you're pulling in a crazy salary.  Biglaw is tailor made for FIRE that way: if you hit the right conditions, compound interest from the saving you do at the beginning of your career can do most of your retirement work for you.  (Or at least, that is what you can tell yourself at 3am when you're still plugging away at it.)

Well said. I'm not delusional enough to try and time the market, so in my view I'm buying 2023 indexes at 2020 prices. Obviously it was more fun seeing the totals go up and up, but as you referenced, 20 years from now I'll be happy I got the opportunity to dump 70% of my pay into funds when they were 20% down from their previous highs. Not sure if you're a fellow attorney, but good to hear from you and good luck!

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Re: Case Study - Weird career oh high salary for first 5 years
« Reply #74 on: June 08, 2023, 07:39:12 AM »
Just about a year from this last update and it was fun to see the progress, so I thought I'd do another one.

We had our wedding and it was a great day. Also got a puppy which has been very fun for us. NW is up to about $725k largely due to housing appreciation, several large bonuses at work, and this bull market run. Invested assets is only about $400k of that (rest is home equity and cash). I have been at my new job for over a year now and it's been great - similar environment so still a lot of work, but nice people and a much more stable work flow. Could definitely see myself doing a few more years here unless one of these federal job applications manages to stick. Monthly spending has been pretty stable, maybe a hair higher now that going out for food and drinks is a bit more common than during the earlier portions of the pandemic.

Thought it would be fun to provide an update. Seems like things are generally on track for this plan I made 2+ years ago, which is fun to see.

I'm engaged (would be married but we pushed the wedding to 2021 bc of covid).

NW is about $350k when you include the equity in the house we bought on Long Island.

Still at the same biglaw firm, although I will almost certainly miss my bonus this year because of low hours. Applied to a federal gov job, but I don;t have particularly high hopes.

Been working from home since March, so I'm yet to do the commute, which should be about 1:10 each way via train and e-scooter.

Monthly spending is a bit higher with a mortgage, higher utilities, necessary car, etc. but not all that much due to reduced spending going out and cheaper food/drinks than the city. I'm typically at about $4k/mo now (6k total split 2/3 with fiance). Salary is at 220k, fiance is at about 67k. 

Hope you all are healthy & wealthy!


Topic Title: Case Study - I'm 25, new lawyer, my career is odd in that I'm starting (before tax) at $195k, which will end up at about $350k by my 5th year (large firm, lockstep pay). I don't see a world in which I can do these hours for more than 5 years, so at that point I'l likely switch to government or in house at likely around $100k until FI/RE or some part-time situation.

My question is if this weird path warrants any significant changes to the normal MMM plan of saving as much as possible and investing in a vanguard fund. Thanks!

Life Situation: IRS filing status - single with a long time SO, probably kids within 5 years, work/live in NYC but hoping to return to Long Island to raise a future family.

Gross Salary/Wages: 195k

Individual amounts of each Pre-tax deductions 401k (have to wait a bit longer bc of my job being new), HSA (still on dad's insurance until the end of 2018 - thanks Obama), IRA (make too much, but I put $15k from summer jobs in college in a Roth before I finished law school)


Taxes: Federal, state/local, and FICA.  These should be consistent with your AGI and Life Situation.  For non-U.S. posters, we’ll have to take your word for these. Living in NYC I get about 5500/month taken out in taxes, netting me about $9100/mo

Current expenses (monthly):
Rent - $1490 (but puts me in a 15min commute)
Food - $100
Going out - $700 (restaurants, bars, events, etc)
Travel - $170 (subway metrocard + LIRR visiting family twice a month)
Dry cleaning - $30
Subscriptions - $15
Internet - $15
Utilities - $35
Phone - $65 (my portion of split family plan)
Gifts - $50
Clothes - $25
Other - $200

Total - $2900

Assets:
Roth IRA - 15k
3-year CD - 15k
2-year CD - 2.5k
Savings Account - 14k
Checking account - 8k

Liabilities: $60k private family loan over 7 years of school (mostly taken care of via scholarships)

Specific Question(s): Should the sort of backwards expected income over 10 years change my plans compared to alot of the typical MMM advice? Thank you!

Seeing as it's been a while (~10 months) I thought I'd continue updating this thread. Even with the market downturn, I just about met my earlier stated goal of 500k invested before 30th birthday. I also recently crossed the threshold of $1M NW, which is pretty exciting. Still in biglaw, still applying for government jobs, but collecting 400k a year for a while longer than expected is a very silver lining for now and has clearly done wonders for my NW.

Oct 21:  745
Nov 21: 778
Dec 21: 811
Jan 22:  824
Feb 22:  890 (EOY Bonus)
Mar 22: 941 (house appreciation boom)
Apr 22:  970
May 22: 983
Jun 22:  949
Jul 22:   999
Aug 22: 1,025

For additional context, approx. breakdown of the 1,025:
$615k invested ($65k cash; $10k in i-bonds; $170 in retirement accounts; $370k in taxable brokerage). Home equity is approx. $410k; zero remaining debt (other than mortgage)

It's been another 10 months or so and last time it seems at least some people enjoyed an update so here it is:

Current TNW: 1,156; LNW: 775 (some house depreciation after the booms). Still at the same biglaw firm collecting checks. I've continued the efforts to move to government with no luck yet, although I'm finding much more traction getting interviews as my YOE increase, which hopefully is a sign of things to come. I had an offer to move inhouse that I turned down because it did not seem like a great fit or career move, but always nice to have that as a possibility. With my wife and I planning to start trying for kids soon, I may put the career change efforts on pause to make sure I can be eligible for full paternity leave when the time comes.

Other than that, things are rolling. Hoping to use this bonus biglaw time to pad the numbers, fight the possible recession, maybe do some home improvement projects. Work isn't too bad - interesting but the hours are still tough at times and the road ahead looks daunting with partners and counsel seemingly working around the clock, so still motivated to leave at some point. All things considered, it could be a whole lot worse.

Early retirement plan has probably shifted with a goal between $2-2.5 MM LNW depending on a few home improvement goals, number of kids, etc. Puts my career at somewhere between 8-14 remaining years obviously depending on future pay/market performance. So still on track but that number feels pretty far away still!



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Re: Case Study - Weird career oh high salary for first 5 years
« Reply #75 on: June 08, 2023, 08:18:29 AM »
What a great update! Congrats on working towards building a very cool life.

Getting this much accomplished BEFORE having kiddos will take you so far!

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Re: Case Study - Weird career oh high salary for first 5 years
« Reply #76 on: June 09, 2023, 12:32:13 AM »
With my wife and I planning to start trying for kids soon, I may put the career change efforts on pause to make sure I can be eligible for full paternity leave when the time comes.

Other than that, things are rolling. Hoping to use this bonus biglaw time to pad the numbers, fight the possible recession, maybe do some home improvement projects. Work isn't too bad - interesting but the hours are still tough at times and the road ahead looks daunting with partners and counsel seemingly working around the clock, so still motivated to leave at some point. All things considered, it could be a whole lot worse.


So glad to hear that things are going well!  Having over $1 million before your first kid is going to give you so many options!  I'm in biglaw with no kids, and if I ever have any, I don't think I'll stay.  People make it work, but it's rough.  Totally understand wanting to stay through paternity leave though: make hay while the sun shines, take the leave that you're entitled to.  Then if you decide you want to stay home with your kid for a bit longer or get a less intense job, you can do so and will probably still make your goal of ~$2.5 million in the next decade.     

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Re: Case Study - Weird career oh high salary for first 5 years
« Reply #77 on: June 12, 2023, 06:43:46 PM »
What a great update! Congrats on working towards building a very cool life.

Getting this much accomplished BEFORE having kiddos will take you so far!

Much appreciated! It's definitely been cool to see the numbers grow over the years!

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Re: Case Study - Weird career oh high salary for first 5 years
« Reply #78 on: June 12, 2023, 06:52:04 PM »

So glad to hear that things are going well!  Having over $1 million before your first kid is going to give you so many options!  I'm in biglaw with no kids, and if I ever have any, I don't think I'll stay.  People make it work, but it's rough.  Totally understand wanting to stay through paternity leave though: make hay while the sun shines, take the leave that you're entitled to.  Then if you decide you want to stay home with your kid for a bit longer or get a less intense job, you can do so and will probably still make your goal of ~$2.5 million in the next decade.     


Agreed biglaw with kids seems like a rough existence. Hope you are doing well with your careers and goals! I'm thinking of using the paternity leave in part as a time to really hit the gas on government and in-house applications since I'll have way more hours to interview, etc. (although I'm sure I'm underestimating the time commitment of a newborn).

Truthfully even without hitting the number to early retire, it feels like I've hit the more important goal already, which was to provide sufficient financial security to be able to take basically any job I'd like (within reason) and still be able to support a lifestyle that works for us. If I can basically breakeven at this point, I could still likely retire in my early fifties, which most people would consider early, all without saving a dime for the rest of my life. As you said, it opens a lot of options!