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SimpleLifer

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Case Study: Requesting opinions on my FIRE plan
« on: June 16, 2019, 06:29:43 PM »
Thank you for taking the time to review this [looooong post] and offer feedback.  I don't have anyone in my circle to discuss this sort of thing with, and in my head this all makes sense, but I might be missing something!

I have young children...my goal is to spend more time with them during these very special years, by getting off the full-time employment train. 

Currently I'm a w-2 FTE, and I believe that my skill-set is very transferrable to a consulting role, where I could work as much (or as little) as I want.  I'm not depending on this as a way to support myself, but it's something I'm interested in doing because I enjoy a little work (just not the day-to-day grind of office politics), and I could perform consulting work via an s-corporation that I already have setup.

I live in a very HCOL, and can't change that for another 10 years or so. 

mid-40's, Single, HOH

Assets and Expenses as a w-2 FTE
Assets:
Networth:  $2M
Liquid:  $935K ($500K taxable account-mostly vanguard index funds, $435K retirement accounts)
Home Equity:  ~$1,065,000 conservative estimate
Annual w-2 Income:  $192K after tax *maxing out every tax-deferred benefit that my employer offers.
Other annual Income not related to FTE employment:  $20K

Yearly Expenses:
Mortgage/insurance/Property Tax:  $56K (~$32K of this is tax-deductable); includes a $600K mortgage
All other living expenses:  $34K; *except for mortgage, I have no other debt

My plan is to reduce my yearly expenses so that I can reduce my income to a point that I'm paying very little in taxes, and keeping my SWR at or below 4%.

Here's how I plan to do it:
1.  Within the next 18 months, sell my home, take the equity I receive and buy a different home in the same area, and pay cash.  I think I have enough equity to cover the full cost of a different home, and I'm planning to put all my home equity into the next home.  Also, during the next 18 months of employment, I'll continue to max out tax-deferred savings via employer, and save ~$50K or more of after-tax income.

By being mortgage-free, I will reduce my yearly living expenses to ~$46K.

2.  My goal is to use the $20K/year to cover ~half of my $46K in living expenses, and draw from my taxable account to cover the other $26K.

3.  When I (slowly) pick up consulting gigs, I'll work through my s-corp, which will allow me to pay myself a small salary that keeps me in the little to no tax brackets, and pay into my IRA (I admit to not understanding the details on this yet...my plan is to max out how much my s-corp contributes to my IRA-I think that amount is in the $50k/year range).  *I do live in an expensive state-tax state, and I can't change that at the moment.

I was very inspired by Go Curry's posts about strategies to have income with less tax burden.  The above plan came from reading his blog posts, and thinking about how I could do something similar with my own situation. 

I've been using the FI spreadsheet shared here on this forum to run through scenarios.  It looks like I could easily execute the above plan within the next 1.5-2 years, or I could stay put where I am and "retire" in about 8 years.  I'm ok with moving, especially if it gives me more time with my kids during these very special years of their childhood!  Moving will create some minor inconveniences, but I think those will be off-set by my new-found freedom, and more discretionary time on my hands!

Assets and Expenses as a FIRE'er
Assets:
Networth:  $2M
Liquid:  $935K ($500K taxable account-mostly vanguard index funds, $435K retirement accounts)
Home Equity:  ~$1M; no plans to pull equity from this, or take on any other debt.
Annual w-2 Income:  $0
Other annual Income not related to FTE employment:  $20K

Yearly Expenses:
Property Tax:  $12K
All other living expenses:  $34K;

Income sources:
$500K taxable account, withdrawal ~$34K per year
$20K/year non w-2 income
1099 or w-2 income from the s-corp, flexible amount that is kept within income-level tax brackets

One unknown:  health insurance...I don't have a lot of medical needs, but I do need to figure something out in this area.

Oh...and one other thing...in about one more year of FTE employment, I'll be eligible for a one-year (unpaid) sabbatical.  The timing just might work out where I could go on sabbatical, and take this plan for a test-drive, and if there's too many bumps I would have the option to return to the juicy office politics with a comfortable chair and a nice salary...but by then I would've given up a very lovely home, which my children and I do enjoy living in!

Last but not least:  words can not express my gratitude to all of you who are so helpful on this forum.  Finding the MMM forum has inspired me to live a more meaningful life that aligns with my priorities.  Your helpful responses mean a lot to me, my financial freedom, and the contentment of my family.  Thank you. 

*Edited to fix a number and word typo.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2019, 06:51:26 PM by SimpleLifer »

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Re: Case Study: Requesting opinions on my FIRE plan
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2019, 03:15:59 AM »

Oh...and one other thing...in about one more year of FTE employment, I'll be eligible for a one-year (unpaid) sabbatical.  The timing just might work out where I could go on sabbatical, and take this plan for a test-drive, and if there's too many bumps I would have the option to return to the juicy office politics with a comfortable chair and a nice salary...but by then I would've given up a very lovely home, which my children and I do enjoy living in!


This seems like an excellent opportunity; I was going to suggest trying an FMLA leave for just such a test drive, without shutting you out of your current job.  But the sabbatical would be so much better.  Will you have health insurance available during this time?  That would also be a good benefit, and give you time to look through options.

You talk about this being centered around spending time with your young kids.  How long are you really thinking?  If you are looking to see them off to school, then you have a maximum of 5 years, and your taxable account could handle your reduced expenses all by itself--no worries, do it!

But if you are thinking that this will be the bridge condition to an early retirement, you are right to dig deeper.  One thing I would say is that you don't necessarily need to pay for the new house with cash; you could find a mortgage level that keeps you around your tax limit, but that would allow you either a multi-year cash cushion or additional taxable investments you could make to take a shot at moving to retirement rather than returning to full-time work.  Certainly, a paid-for house is a good thing, but the optionality may be valuable, too.  (as in, you need an emergency fund that could pay for a roof leak / broken AC / whatnot without inducing you to make a taxable withdrawal)


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Re: Case Study: Requesting opinions on my FIRE plan
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2019, 11:44:24 AM »
Well, you certainly have the assets for FIRE now. And your read GCC. Have you considered the option of selling the home and renting in your area for the next 10 years? Then you could move somewhere cheaper. What’s the value in owning? If you have a million dollar home now, will it be 2mil in 10 years? If you invested that money is should double in 10 years. You’d also eliminate your property tax. You’ll never get that time with your kids back.

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Re: Case Study: Requesting opinions on my FIRE plan
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2019, 08:30:06 PM »

Oh...and one other thing...in about one more year of FTE employment, I'll be eligible for a one-year (unpaid) sabbatical.  The timing just might work out where I could go on sabbatical, and take this plan for a test-drive, and if there's too many bumps I would have the option to return to the juicy office politics with a comfortable chair and a nice salary...but by then I would've given up a very lovely home, which my children and I do enjoy living in!


This seems like an excellent opportunity; I was going to suggest trying an FMLA leave for just such a test drive, without shutting you out of your current job.  But the sabbatical would be so much better.  Will you have health insurance available during this time?  That would also be a good benefit, and give you time to look through options.

You talk about this being centered around spending time with your young kids.  How long are you really thinking?  If you are looking to see them off to school, then you have a maximum of 5 years, and your taxable account could handle your reduced expenses all by itself--no worries, do it!

But if you are thinking that this will be the bridge condition to an early retirement, you are right to dig deeper.  One thing I would say is that you don't necessarily need to pay for the new house with cash; you could find a mortgage level that keeps you around your tax limit, but that would allow you either a multi-year cash cushion or additional taxable investments you could make to take a shot at moving to retirement rather than returning to full-time work.  Certainly, a paid-for house is a good thing, but the optionality may be valuable, too.  (as in, you need an emergency fund that could pay for a roof leak / broken AC / whatnot without inducing you to make a taxable withdrawal)

I looked more into the sabbatical option today, and if I'm understanding the policy, I can continue getting health insurance while on sabbatical.  But I remember a colleague mentioning that while on sabbatical, the health insurance is via cobra...which I know is very expensive.

An ideal state for me, would be to stay in my profession, but work part-time, set my own hours, and work from my home office.  I would also like to feel like working is optional, not a requirement.  I don't want my lifestyle to be dependent on finding consulting work, or staying glued to a home office during times when I would rather travel, or immerse myself in a hobby/project.

As for my kiddos, I have about 9 years before they're grown-ups, so I'm thinking this needs to be a pretty solid plan.

My reasoning for paying cash for a home instead of having a "small mortgage", was to be able to limit my yearly expenses, which in turn, should decrease my income, and taxes owed.

If I am understanding the Federal LTCG tax bracket, I don't pay any cap gains tax until I reach $52,750 in CG.  It seems to me that if I must liquidate equities to cover a mortgage, I might go over the $52,750 LTCG limit.  Please set me straight on that if I'm misunderstanding.  I guess it wouldn't be the end of the world to pay 15% in CG tax, but why do that if I don't need to? 

As for emergency fund, I may consider a HELOC just in case SHTF.

Well, you certainly have the assets for FIRE now. And your read GCC. Have you considered the option of selling the home and renting in your area for the next 10 years? Then you could move somewhere cheaper. What’s the value in owning? If you have a million dollar home now, will it be 2mil in 10 years? If you invested that money is should double in 10 years. You’d also eliminate your property tax. You’ll never get that time with your kids back.

I couldn't agree with you more!  I feel that every day is a day lost when I'm at the office and they're elsewhere.

I'm definitely considering selling my current home...that's actually the major change I'm willing to make to quit my FTE job.  I'm not sure which home you're referring to, but the home I live in now, it's reasonable to expect WILL be "worth $2M" in 10 years.  My $1.6M current estimate is very conservative, and I suspect would probably fetch a higher price, but I don't want to plan on that. 

In my area, home prices over the last 20 years have steadily risen 3.5% on average, per year.  I live in one of those HCOL areas where lots of news reports discuss the insane housing situation.  I feel that having a solid housing plan is very key to surviving in my area (especially for someone like me, who hates to move!).

Would I earn more than that in the stock market?  Probably...but I want to stay where I am to be close to the important people and activities in my life.  Homes in the >$900K range have HOA fees, which I don't want to pay... 

Renting in my area is something I have considered, but the rental housing market is even more insane than home ownership.  I prefer the certainty of home ownership...not depending on a landlord to continue owning the property, etc.

Essentially, moving to a smaller home I would get rid of all debt, and be able to keep my living expenses low enough to stay within the 0% LTCG tax bracket for single, HOH. 

It may be worth mentioning, that my children do not want to move because of their friendships with neighbors...my home is the hub of activity for the neighborhood.  My agent feels strongly that I should wait 2 years, and see how those friendships mature or if they become less important to my children.  My agent also thinks this is a bad time to sell my home...she believes that the home prices "will soften a bit", and it's better to sell low and buy low because of the recurring property tax.  I'm ok with waiting two years, and frankly, it almost seems like perfect timing if I want to take advantage of a work sabbatical. 

Thank you @MrThatsDifferent  and @reeshau for the thoughtful feedback...I welcome further discussion. 

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Re: Case Study: Requesting opinions on my FIRE plan
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2019, 02:56:08 AM »

If I am understanding the Federal LTCG tax bracket, I don't pay any cap gains tax until I reach $52,750 in CG.  It seems to me that if I must liquidate equities to cover a mortgage, I might go over the $52,750 LTCG limit.  Please set me straight on that if I'm misunderstanding.  I guess it wouldn't be the end of the world to pay 15% in CG tax, but why do that if I don't need to? 

As for emergency fund, I may consider a HELOC just in case SHTF.

You are correct about LTCG--step over the line, and you pay the 15%. (or 20%, above $239,501, for completeness)  A HELOC would be another way to approach it, assuming you can get one with your employment status at that time.

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Re: Case Study: Requesting opinions on my FIRE plan
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2019, 07:39:09 AM »

If I am understanding the Federal LTCG tax bracket, I don't pay any cap gains tax until I reach $52,750 in CG.  It seems to me that if I must liquidate equities to cover a mortgage, I might go over the $52,750 LTCG limit.  Please set me straight on that if I'm misunderstanding.  I guess it wouldn't be the end of the world to pay 15% in CG tax, but why do that if I don't need to? 

As for emergency fund, I may consider a HELOC just in case SHTF.

You are correct about LTCG--step over the line, and you pay the 15%. (or 20%, above $239,501, for completeness)  A HELOC would be another way to approach it, assuming you can get one with your employment status at that time.

I would get this in place prior to quitting. 

Thank you for talking this through with me! 

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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2019, 08:37:02 PM »
I know this may sound odd but from someone who has recently raised two kids who are now 18 and 20, is spending so much time with them really that great a goal. Does Your job require a ton of out of town travel? I Was able to work full time and still spend a lot of Time with them. They are in school most the work day anyway. My wife worked part time so they weren’t latch-key. I’m just throwing iti out there because kids can learn a lot in ways other then hanging with parents.

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Re: Case Study: Requesting opinions on my FIRE plan
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2019, 09:42:33 PM »
With $500K saved up in taxable, you are in a very good position to make the jump from W2 employment to at-home consulting even without technically being FI.   Which you aren't, yet...health insurance for an adult with kids is either going to be either Obamacare or upwards of $20K/year after Cobra runs out.  And then there's college costs for the kids.

You made several statements to the effect that you love your current home, expensive as it is.  If so, you may come to regret a move to a cheaper home in the same area - that's going to be harder than giving up the home to move to a completely different location.  It may make rational sense, but sometimes it's not always about that.

The upcoming sabbatical is a great opportunity to work on building up the consulting business while still keeping open the possibility of returning to full time work.  If you can get to just half the income you made while working then you'll know you're good to go.

Have you considered creating a separate room somewhere on your property that you can advertise on Airbnb?  I've stayed in places like that, rooms with their own entrance kitted out like a modern hotel room, within a family home but walled off from it.  Lovely setup and a great way to pull in extra $$ with minimal added work.


 

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