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How’s our financial situation?
« on: November 02, 2019, 02:40:56 PM »
I recently found this FIRE community and have greatly benefited from readers’ responses and inputs to case studies. I’m hoping I can receive the same kind of welcome from readers as far as my situation is concerned.

39 y/o (DH 46) married filing jointly, 3 dependents (14,10,6), living in Southern California. We also live with 3 more family members that we’re helping while they’re getting on their feet. This is a temporary situation for the next year or so until they’re integrated in the US.

Gross Salary: $269k salary plus 30% discretionary bonus. This year I was also awarded some restricted stocks of $75k, vesting over 5 years. Discretionary stock is likely to recur in 2020. Was planning to use sell stocks upon vesting for college savings. Take home pay $6,986/biweekly

Max out 401k ($19k) and FSA ($2.7k). Health/dental ins $225/paycheck. Other cafeteria $60/pay, FSA $76.82/pay. Considering changing plan from EPO to HDP to take advantage of taxes (just worried about anyone falling sick and having large deductible)

Rental Income: $1,600/month, mortgage P&I $1859 plus $370 of prop tax/ins*. Valued at $825k, mortgage of $340k. Needs major repairs to increase rent.

Current monthly expenses:
- Housing $2,469
- Prop tax/ins $530*
- Food: $900
- Eating out: $250
- Internet: $80
- Water/Power/Gas: $425
- Car gas: $350 (two cars)
- Car insurance: $260 (two cars, higher premium due to accident)*
- Miscellaneous: $200
- Ed Therapy: $460 (ADHD son)
- Loan installment: $1,126
- Cleaning: $320
- Clothing: $150 (not every month but annual average)
- Vacation: $450 (annual vacation of $5k)
- Catholic school tuition: $550 (prepaid 50% at beg of school year)
- Life ins: $225 ($1.5M coverage for me and $700k for DH)*
- Tithing/Charity: $1,400
- 529: $225 (opened accounts in 2018)
- Brokerage: $150 (new in 2019)

Assets:
- 401k $145k (prev ER - Fidelity)/$34.8k (Empower)
- 529: $11k (fidelity)
- Cash: $65k (incl. Emergency savings/Sinking funds)
- Brokerage: $1.6k (Fidelity)
- Rental: $825k
- Residence: $525k
- Offshore property: $90k (planning to turn into rental some day)

Liabilities:
- Rental: $340k (4.25%, 28 yrs remaining, refi’d recently)
- Residence: $440k (3.67%, 19 yrs remaining, refi’d recently)
- Credit cards: $22k (14-24%, 4 cards), will use cash on hand and 2019 bonus to be paid in March to fully pay off
- Pers loan: $41k (5.7%, 4 yrs remaining)
*Paid once or twice a year but provided monthly average for sake of analysis

Based on our situation, how else can we optimize our tax situation? I don’t have a Roth IRA due to income but I’ve seen discussions about Backdoor Roth IRA and will consider if I find articles that explain how to best do it. Kids are growing and while we do not promise to fully take care of college, we wanted to help with 50% of the costs, if we’d can. This is probably asking for a lot but is there hope that I could retire in 15-16 years? I feel like our finances are all over the map so I appreciate your assistance. Thanks for your help.
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« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2019, 04:09:27 PM »
I can’t comment on the tax situation, not being an American, but your rental is losing you a lot of money. It does not meet the 1% rule, it’s cash flow negative, and the equity you currently have tied up in the rental could earn you quite a bit more elsewhere (like in an equity index fund).

You’re currently extremely heavy in real estate, which is like putting all your eggs in a couple baskets. You need to diversify into index funds. Max out contributions to your 401K and 529s.. Follow the Investment Order. Don’t invest in anymore individual properties until your portfolio is more diversified.

You also have quite a bit of fat in your current budget that could be cut, such as a food bill (groceries plus eating out) of over $1000 a month. I’ve lived in SoCal, and if you shop at the local grocery store or the 99 cent store you can get your bill down to $500-600/month for a family of five. Clothing is also high. Shop at thrift stores. The 15 year old can start to purchase their own clothing. Some will comment that the cleaning fee is unnecessary. Kids can help clean. I’m on the fence on that one and feel I have no right to comment because I spend $100/month on a cleaning lady.

 If you tighten up your budget a bit, and get rid of the money losing house, you’re not in bad shape at all and could very likely retire in less than 15 years. The great thing is that you have a decent income.

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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2019, 04:30:24 PM »
It’s nice that you give to charity/tithe but the amount is huge. I disagree about kids buying their own clothes. Kid expenses will go up with driving, etc.   I agree you could lower the grocery bill some.

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« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2019, 06:25:26 PM »
Taxes:  your state probably gives you credit for the 529s.  Max this.

Backdoor Roth:  it's easy.  We did it.  Open and fund a tIRA (we did ours with Fidelity).  Covert to Roth the day it hits the account.  I think it was like two clicks.

You list $10.5k/mo of spending, and $14k/mo of take-home pay.  Where's the other $3.5k/mo going?  I notice you haven't listed cell phones, kids' activities, or gifts.  Gym memberships?  Netflix?  Gaming?  Allowances for the kids?  That money is leaking out somewhere; find it.

The offshore property is not an asset.  It doesn't generate income, but probably has some expenses associate with it, therefore, it's a liability.  I would sell all the real estate you don't currently live in.

Are your priorities really $17k/yr to charity, but only $3k/yr to college for three children?

You might be able to retire relatively quickly, but that rests on you actually making your money work for you.  That will require a major overhaul of your current allocation.

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« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2019, 11:30:41 PM »
$1600 rent on a 825k property is insane. Your bleeding out money here. You should be getting at least double this for rent. Definitely sell this loser or fix it up a bit and double the rent.

22k cc debt
41k personal loans
17k charity
65k emergency fund

These numbers Makes no sense to me. The interest on the cc debt is on fire. Get rid of the cc debt ASAP. You have 65k emergency fund I’d def pay off the cc’s today. With 17k to charity it’s like you used your credit card to pay it. I would cut down on the charity until you solve your immediate debt crisis. After the cc debt is gone pay off the personal loan next. Then never get into cc debt or personal loan debt again.

You guys have a fantastic Income and a lot of assets but you guys aren’t very good with being landlords and money. As others have said sell all the investment property’s get rid of the cc and person debt. Then invest in some index funds.

Keep closer track of all your expenses and cut fat where you can. I see thousands you can save each month. With that difference you’ll be on your way to FIRE many years earlier.

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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2019, 02:23:32 AM »
You are asking how to optimise your tax situation?  That is a "mote in your eye, beam in mine" situation.

Rental: you are paying over $7k a year in cash for someone else to live in a $800k property that you own?  What madness is this?  You have about $450k equity in that property.  Invested in the stock market at a 4% return that would get you $18k a year.  So really, you are losing $25k a year on this property.  Sell the property, put the proceeds into low cost index funds and reinvest the income: if you are going to retire sooner than your mid-sixties this money will be what does it for you.

Also; tithing.  Between the tithing and the school fees the Catholic church is getting nearly $24k a year out of you.  I agree with Chrissy: your choices here are saying that the financial health of the massively wealthy (and corrupt) Catholic church is more than five times more important to you than your children's college.

On that ridiculous rental and your guilt payments to the church you are losing $50k a year. That's a fifth of your gross income on just two items.

Your total retirement assets are less than $200k.  Even if you work to a normal retirement age in your sixties that amount on its own is not looking like a particularly prosperous retirement for you, certainly nothing like the earnings and spendings your have at the moment.  You are earning over a quarter of a million dollars every year!  You can't have been maxing out retirement savings for very long.  What you do need to do immediately is make the most of what you've got and check that what retirement savings you do have are invested in low-cost index funds.

You have overseas property that earns you nothing: I was thinking that would be some sort of holiday home until I saw that you also spend $5k a year on holidays.  If that's on flights, you need to do some travel hacking.  And as to the property, you haven't listed costs for it: there have got to be maintenance/caretaking/cleaning/tax costs: what are they?  I suspect this is another big money pit.

Also, on property in general: you have high earning jobs and three kids.  That's three full time jobs between the two of you right there.  You do not have the bandwith to be property managers on top, as shown by the fact that the rental needs big repairs that you haven't got around to and that the overseas property isn't even rented.  Owning property is not passive income, index funds look after themselves.  Please make your lives easier and more prosperous by selling both the rental and the overseas property and investing the proceeds.

Credit cards: you have $65k in cash as emergency/sinking funds and yet have $22k debt on credit cards at rates of $14% to 24%?  That you are proposing not to pay off until next March?   Again, complete madness.  Pay them off in full this week (preferably before the current periods for payment expire, otherwise you will be paying another full month's interest), and keep paying them off in full each month.

Actually, the $22k on credit cards and the personal loan of $41k are probably the biggest indicator of how bad you are with money.  What on earth did you buy with $63k that you don't have that was so important?  And what is going to stop you continuing to accumulate consumer debt like this in the future?

Look, you have a great income, the debts other than mortgages can be paid off almost instantly, you can sell the rental and the overseas property and invest the equity and you can take the pledge never to take out consumer debt ever again and you will be fine.

Oh, and stop thinking that taxes are your problem.



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Re: How’s our financial situation?
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2019, 02:37:22 AM »
I can’t comment on the tax situation, not being an American, but your rental is losing you a lot of money. It does not meet the 1% rule, it’s cash flow negative, and the equity you currently have tied up in the rental could earn you quite a bit more elsewhere (like in an equity index fund).

You’re currently extremely heavy in real estate, which is like putting all your eggs in a couple baskets. You need to diversify into index funds. Max out contributions to your 401K and 529s.. Follow the Investment Order. Don’t invest in anymore individual properties until your portfolio is more diversified.

You also have quite a bit of fat in your current budget that could be cut, such as a food bill (groceries plus eating out) of over $1000 a month. I’ve lived in SoCal, and if you shop at the local grocery store or the 99 cent store you can get your bill down to $500-600/month for a family of five. Clothing is also high. Shop at thrift stores. The 15 year old can start to purchase their own clothing. Some will comment that the cleaning fee is unnecessary. Kids can help clean. I’m on the fence on that one and feel I have no right to comment because I spend $100/month on a cleaning lady.

 If you tighten up your budget a bit, and get rid of the money losing house, you’re not in bad shape at all and could very likely retire in less than 15 years. The great thing is that you have a decent income.

Thanks for the input. Yes I regret why I never maxed out my 401k for the last 15+ years I’ve been working. 2019 will be the first year I do and will continue to do so going forward.

Our food budget though is for 8 people. Maybe you missed it in my into but we leave with 3 more adults in the house. This is a temporary situation.

I totally agree on the rental. My husband is keen to keep it though. That’s another post in itself.

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« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2019, 02:42:21 AM »
It’s nice that you give to charity/tithe but the amount is huge. I disagree about kids buying their own clothes. Kid expenses will go up with driving, etc.   I agree you could lower the grocery bill some.

Thanks for the input. Tithing is more of a religious conviction so we can’t debate on that. However I do agree that my income is large enough for me to buy my kids clothing. If I don’t, who will? My oldest is only 14. The grocery bill is for a family of 8 and not 5. I updated the intro on top.

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« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2019, 02:50:09 AM »
Taxes:  your state probably gives you credit for the 529s.  Max this.

Backdoor Roth:  it's easy.  We did it.  Open and fund a tIRA (we did ours with Fidelity).  Covert to Roth the day it hits the account.  I think it was like two clicks.

You list $10.5k/mo of spending, and $14k/mo of take-home pay.  Where's the other $3.5k/mo going?  I notice you haven't listed cell phones, kids' activities, or gifts.  Gym memberships?  Netflix?  Gaming?  Allowances for the kids?  That money is leaking out somewhere; find it.

The offshore property is not an asset.  It doesn't generate income, but probably has some expenses associate with it, therefore, it's a liability.  I would sell all the real estate you don't currently live in.

Are your priorities really $17k/yr to charity, but only $3k/yr to college for three children?

You might be able to retire relatively quickly, but that rests on you actually making your money work for you.  That will require a major overhaul of your current allocation.

Thanks. I will try the backdoor this year and see how it goes. I’ve been reading about it.
The remainder of the cash goes to savings and/or debt repayment which I did not list. Cell phones are part of the miscellaneous. My cell is paid by my employer. My DH and daughter cells bills are $65 per month for both. Same with kids activities. The amount is about $50/month although we pay for it a the beginning of each trimester. This may change this year as my daughter was just selected for Varsity Basketball. That’s probably a bit more expensive but I have yet to see the added costs. We keep activities fairly low. We’re bigger on volunteering during weekends and keep activities during the week to cheaper after school programs offered by their schools.

I’ve been telling myself the same about the real estate, your input just validates it.

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« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2019, 02:53:11 AM »
$1600 rent on a 825k property is insane. Your bleeding out money here. You should be getting at least double this for rent. Definitely sell this loser or fix it up a bit and double the rent.

22k cc debt
41k personal loans
17k charity
65k emergency fund

These numbers Makes no sense to me. The interest on the cc debt is on fire. Get rid of the cc debt ASAP. You have 65k emergency fund I’d def pay off the cc’s today. With 17k to charity it’s like you used your credit card to pay it. I would cut down on the charity until you solve your immediate debt crisis. After the cc debt is gone pay off the personal loan next. Then never get into cc debt or personal loan debt again.

You guys have a fantastic Income and a lot of assets but you guys aren’t very good with being landlords and money. As others have said sell all the investment property’s get rid of the cc and person debt. Then invest in some index funds.

Keep closer track of all your expenses and cut fat where you can. I see thousands you can save each month. With that difference you’ll be on your way to FIRE many years earlier.
Thanks for the encouragement. Yes, we’re definitely guilty of life inflation and overused our CC. They’re being paid off. Same with the loan. The rental I also agree is bleeding money.

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« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2019, 02:58:00 AM »
You are asking how to optimise your tax situation?  That is a "mote in your eye, beam in mine" situation.

Rental: you are paying over $7k a year in cash for someone else to live in a $800k property that you own?  What madness is this?  You have about $450k equity in that property.  Invested in the stock market at a 4% return that would get you $18k a year.  So really, you are losing $25k a year on this property.  Sell the property, put the proceeds into low cost index funds and reinvest the income: if you are going to retire sooner than your mid-sixties this money will be what does it for you.

Also; tithing.  Between the tithing and the school fees the Catholic church is getting nearly $24k a year out of you.  I agree with Chrissy: your choices here are saying that the financial health of the massively wealthy (and corrupt) Catholic church is more than five times more important to you than your children's college.

On that ridiculous rental and your guilt payments to the church you are losing $50k a year. That's a fifth of your gross income on just two items.

Your total retirement assets are less than $200k.  Even if you work to a normal retirement age in your sixties that amount on its own is not looking like a particularly prosperous retirement for you, certainly nothing like the earnings and spendings your have at the moment.  You are earning over a quarter of a million dollars every year!  You can't have been maxing out retirement savings for very long.  What you do need to do immediately is make the most of what you've got and check that what retirement savings you do have are invested in low-cost index funds.

You have overseas property that earns you nothing: I was thinking that would be some sort of holiday home until I saw that you also spend $5k a year on holidays.  If that's on flights, you need to do some travel hacking.  And as to the property, you haven't listed costs for it: there have got to be maintenance/caretaking/cleaning/tax costs: what are they?  I suspect this is another big money pit.

Also, on property in general: you have high earning jobs and three kids.  That's three full time jobs between the two of you right there.  You do not have the bandwith to be property managers on top, as shown by the fact that the rental needs big repairs that you haven't got around to and that the overseas property isn't even rented.  Owning property is not passive income, index funds look after themselves.  Please make your lives easier and more prosperous by selling both the rental and the overseas property and investing the proceeds.

Credit cards: you have $65k in cash as emergency/sinking funds and yet have $22k debt on credit cards at rates of $14% to 24%?  That you are proposing not to pay off until next March?   Again, complete madness.  Pay them off in full this week (preferably before the current periods for payment expire, otherwise you will be paying another full month's interest), and keep paying them off in full each month.

Actually, the $22k on credit cards and the personal loan of $41k are probably the biggest indicator of how bad you are with money.  What on earth did you buy with $63k that you don't have that was so important?  And what is going to stop you continuing to accumulate consumer debt like this in the future?

Look, you have a great income, the debts other than mortgages can be paid off almost instantly, you can sell the rental and the overseas property and invest the equity and you can take the pledge never to take out consumer debt ever again and you will be fine.

Oh, and stop thinking that taxes are your problem.
I expected some tough love but man, this was rough. Thanks for the input. Sometimes it does take this type of straightforward talk to see how foolish we are. I appreciate your input.

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« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2019, 08:05:02 AM »
Please keep us posted on your progress, because you guys have huge potential to turn this around.  Your worth is ~$760k (not including the 529s or your primary residence).  If that money was in the market generating income, it would be adding ~$53k/yr to your stash without you doing a thing!  Meanwhile, your expenses would've lowered by at least $1.4k/mo in debt repayment and property taxes.  There's no reason it should take you 15 years to gather enough to retire!

Lemme just give you our example for comparison.  We are your age, $183k/yr income w/ $6k/yr in bonus, two toddlers:  1 yr & 3 yrs.  We're on the list right now for parochial school.  We rent in Chicago and have a rural lake house close to my in-laws in another state that we're remodeling.  The $200k construction loan is our only debt.  We have $596k in our stash (401ks/HSA/ROTHs/SEP/taxable/cash), $94k front-loaded in the kids' 529s, and $220k in lake home equity.

Our biggest expenses are rent/loan at $2,825/mo and daycare at $3,330/mo.

If everything stays the same, we can retire to the lake house in 8 years w/ $1.9M, or retire in Chicago in 11 years w/ $2.6M.  That's the power of compounding interest!

You guys could lap us, easy.  If you get optimized, I bet you could retire in 6-9 years!  DO IT.

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« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2019, 05:45:11 AM »
I expected some tough love but man, this was rough. Thanks for the input. Sometimes it does take this type of straightforward talk to see how foolish we are. I appreciate your input.

I think what got to me is the contrast between that amazing income and the way it has been wasted.

Plus of course the idea that your problem is taxes rather than spending.  Unfortunately a lot of current public discourse, particularly I think in the USA, is aimed at categorising taxes as a problem for individuals rather than a solution for a safe, prosperous and orderly society, and the consequence is that when people think their finances aren't where they think they should be their initial thought is "it would all be better if I didn't have to pay taxes".  I think you have fallen into the trap of this public messaging, whereas of course in your case it is your rental and your tithing which between them add an invisible 20% to your "tax rate", plus a further percentage for the very high interest rates you have been paying on your credit card debt and unnecessary interest paid on the personal loan, of course.

Sort out your own wasteful spending and your taxes will start to look a lot less problematic.  You have the income and capital to make a lot of progress very rapidly if you do that.

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« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2019, 08:27:30 PM »

Lemme just give you our example for comparison.  We are your age, $183k/yr income w/ $6k/yr in bonus, two toddlers:  1 yr & 3 yrs.  We're on the list right now for parochial school.  We rent in Chicago and have a rural lake house close to my in-laws in another state that we're remodeling.  The $200k construction loan is our only debt.  We have $596k in our stash (401ks/HSA/ROTHs/SEP/taxable/cash), $94k front-loaded in the kids' 529s, and $220k in lake home equity.

Our biggest expenses are rent/loan at $2,825/mo and daycare at $3,330/mo.

If everything stays the same, we can retire to the lake house in 8 years w/ $1.9M, or retire in Chicago in 11 years w/ $2.6M.  That's the power of compounding interest!

You guys could lap us, easy.  If you get optimized, I bet you could retire in 6-9 years!  DO IT.

It’s pretty clear we did not make good decisions earlier on in our marriage. In fact, really stupid decisions but we’re learning. Financial literacy is a real problem and I can see that. My husband is very attached to our rental property. We bought it for $100k back in 2001 when we were engaged and he sees that it’s now worth $850k and in his mind, that’s the best investment he’s ever made. We don’t even have anything to show for the additional cash outs we had on this property over the years. Convincing him to sell will be very difficult. Baby steps...

Meanwhile, I’m planning to use the cash we have to pay off our credit cards by the end of the month. My bonus in March will be sufficient to pay at least 50% of the personal loan and we’ll keep moving along and be debt free next year. We have elderly parents and large extended family back in the Congo and we support them financially (essentials, healthcare, etc.). We worry about not having a large cash balance at our disposal in case of an emergency.
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« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2019, 08:47:58 PM »
I think you have fallen into the trap of this public messaging, whereas of course in your case it is your rental and your tithing which between them add an invisible 20% to your "tax rate", plus a further percentage for the very high interest rates you have been paying on your credit card debt and unnecessary interest paid on the personal loan, of course.

Sort out your own wasteful spending and your taxes will start to look a lot less problematic.  You have the income and capital to make a lot of progress very rapidly if you do that.

It’s now clear that taxes are not the problem. The rental, I agree, must go. We’re not good at land-lording as someone pointed out. Same with the credit cards, which we’re paying off this month for sure. The tithing/charity is a personal conviction and I’ll agree to disagree with this. I knew this could raise some eyebrows but for the sake of transparency, decided to list it anyway. We do not see it as wasteful and it’s not out of guilt neither.

There is an additional “tax” that exists for us immigrants who earn good income. This plays into the savings rate equation, aside from the lack of knowledge. Those who “do well” help the less fortunate and we’ve done that since we were married. That’s a choice we’ve made and many may not understand it. While I completely understand that we should be wearing our own oxygen masks first before helping others, what’s the point of having so much if I cannot share it with the people I love the most while they’re alive? Yes, there are boundaries to have but certainly giving back is important to us. This is an area that I have not seen a lot of on these boards. I take it that at this giving rate, even after cutting down all other expenses, we may end up working longer before retirement. We’ll continue to monitor our spending and will cut down as much as possible.

I appreciate the input and will provide an update soon.

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« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2019, 09:52:32 PM »
As long as you are aware of the consequences of the choices you are making, then that's fine. Our family tithe 10% of our income every month (and donate quite a bit more than that to charity). We are aware of the impact of those choices on our financial bottom line and are okay with working a few more years to fund that.

However...

We are not going into credit card debt at exorbitant interest rates to fund the abovementioned choices. Share with the people you love most while you are alive, but share with money that you have earned, not with money that you have borrowed from credit card companies.

Also, there is a thread on the forums on how faith and Mustachianism interact. There are a lot of people who use being FI(RE) to give back to their community and to serve others. Here is the thread: https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/christians-how-does-your-faith-affect-your-mustachianism/msg2479034/#msg2479034

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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2019, 12:47:17 PM »
Congratulations on your tremendous income!  You have worked hard and come a long way, and you should be very proud of that.

I am also not going to criticize you about the tithe and providing a helping hand to other family members.  I think generosity of spirit is a trait to be admired, and as long as you understand and are willing to accept the consequences, then that is a reasonable choice to make. 

But there are two mental shifts to make if you want to translate your high-income into long-term wealth.

The first is to understand that life is an "or," not an "and."  Even someone with your tremendous income cannot afford a big house and a money-losing rental house and a cushy lifestyle for you and your kids and thousands of dollars a month for the church and religious school and helping family AND retire in 10-15 years.  I think for many of us who came from more humble backgrounds, it is easy to think that an income like yours means you're rich and can have everything you want; you grow up with this vision of what "rich" means, and you start making more money than you ever dreamed, and so you assume that now you can live like that, and then 10 years later you wonder where the heck all that money went.  The reality is that even people at your income level cannot have it all; the illusion that rich = big houses and nice cars and fancy clothes is just that -- an illusion created by advertisers who are falling over themselves to convince you to spend more of your money on stuff you don't need. 

So what you need to do is really think about what your priorities are, and then decide whether you are deploying your money in the way that best gets you there.  One way of thinking about it is that whatever you spend in a given year, you need to have 25x that amount invested to support that spending forever.  So, for example, your cleaning costs you $320/mo, or almost $4K/yr; that means that if you want to keep this cleaning service forever, you will need to have almost $100K invested, just for that one thing.  So in other words, your total 401(k) now covers your cleaning service and your clothes purchases, and nothing else.  And that rental, with your @$600/mo loss without even considering vacancy or maintenance expenses?  You'll need $180K extra saved just for the privilege of continuing to own it.  That's over half a year's gross pay!  Are you willing to work an extra 9-12 months just to continue to own and rent that house?

I would suggest doing this analysis in conjunction with this:  https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/01/13/the-shockingly-simple-math-behind-early-retirement.  Because every dollar you spend on stuff now is another dollar that takes you further away from retirement.  So if you want to retire in say 15 years, you're going to need to save over half your salary.  Which goes back to how "rich" you really are:  you are living the lifestyle of someone who makes almost $300K/yr.  But if you actually want to retire on a reasonable timeline, you can really only "afford" the lifestyle of someone who makes less than $150K/yr -- which is still very very generous!!  You need to decide how much of that vast income you want to put towards Current You, and how much you want to put aside so that Future You will have the freedom to do whatever the heck she wants.

The second mindset change you need is more directed at your husband:  he seems to be operating out of a sense of fear/insecurity, holding on to a property that by all accounts is losing you vast sums of money, and refusing to invest that money in the stock market, where you will make significantly more over the long term.  Again, I think that is a natural response for people who did not grow up in abundance and have had to work for everything; when you can finally get something tangible, it feels real and safe.  But that mindset is holding you back; you can see now from the numbers that instead of that property supporting you, you are working to support it!  It has gone from a haven, from a symbol of success, to an albatross.  So in his effort to be safe, he is hanging on to a property that is actually making you significantly less safe every year, because it is draining your finances! 

Unfortunately, he's not the one who wrote in asking for advice.  ;-)  So you are going to need to figure out how to persuade him.  Maybe he needs to learn more about the stock market to feel more comfortable investing.  Or maybe he's just not willing to let go of the need for something tangible.  In that case, let him focus on real estate investing, but approach it as an actual real estate investor would, looking at the numbers to figure out what makes a good rental vs. a bad one.  And that's the key:  a real estate investor does not buy property hoping that its value will go up -- that's speculation, not investing.  A real estate investor buys property because it provides a good, positive net monthly cash flow -- meaning it brings in more than it costs, even including planning for vacancies and covering needed repairs and periodic upgrades.  If the property value increases, that's just a bonus.  Real estate investing may satisfy his need to have a tangible thing, while doing it the right way would help your budget instead of hurt it.

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« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2019, 01:12:18 PM »
The rental, I agree, must go. We’re not good at land-lording as someone pointed out.

Don't be too hard on yourself with regards to the rental. There are lots of people here who would have you make $15k/year (taxable at marginal rates) cash income on a rental for 18 years instead of $750,000 (taxable at concessional rates) in capital gains. Of course there are additional costs involved in that assumption, but the point remains having a property that appreciates in value isn't the worst thing in the world.

Having said that, if the holding costs are getting out of hand it may be time to cash in. Get a good accountant to work out the tax position before you sell.

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« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2019, 02:59:10 PM »
Congratulations on your tremendous income!  You have worked hard and come a long way, and you should be very proud of that.

I am also not going to criticize you about the tithe and providing a helping hand to other family members.  I think generosity of spirit is a trait to be admired, and as long as you understand and are willing to accept the consequences, then that is a reasonable choice to make. 

But there are two mental shifts to make if you want to translate your high-income into long-term wealth.

The first is to understand that life is an "or," not an "and."  Even someone with your tremendous income cannot afford a big house and a money-losing rental house and a cushy lifestyle for you and your kids and thousands of dollars a month for the church and religious school and helping family AND retire in 10-15 years.  I think for many of us who came from more humble backgrounds, it is easy to think that an income like yours means you're rich and can have everything you want; you grow up with this vision of what "rich" means, and you start making more money than you ever dreamed, and so you assume that now you can live like that, and then 10 years later you wonder where the heck all that money went.  The reality is that even people at your income level cannot have it all; the illusion that rich = big houses and nice cars and fancy clothes is just that -- an illusion created by advertisers who are falling over themselves to convince you to spend more of your money on stuff you don't need. 

So what you need to do is really think about what your priorities are, and then decide whether you are deploying your money in the way that best gets you there.  One way of thinking about it is that whatever you spend in a given year, you need to have 25x that amount invested to support that spending forever.  So, for example, your cleaning costs you $320/mo, or almost $4K/yr; that means that if you want to keep this cleaning service forever, you will need to have almost $100K invested, just for that one thing.  So in other words, your total 401(k) now covers your cleaning service and your clothes purchases, and nothing else.  And that rental, with your @$600/mo loss without even considering vacancy or maintenance expenses?  You'll need $180K extra saved just for the privilege of continuing to own it.  That's over half a year's gross pay!  Are you willing to work an extra 9-12 months just to continue to own and rent that house?

I would suggest doing this analysis in conjunction with this:  https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/01/13/the-shockingly-simple-math-behind-early-retirement.  Because every dollar you spend on stuff now is another dollar that takes you further away from retirement.  So if you want to retire in say 15 years, you're going to need to save over half your salary.  Which goes back to how "rich" you really are:  you are living the lifestyle of someone who makes almost $300K/yr.  But if you actually want to retire on a reasonable timeline, you can really only "afford" the lifestyle of someone who makes less than $150K/yr -- which is still very very generous!!  You need to decide how much of that vast income you want to put towards Current You, and how much you want to put aside so that Future You will have the freedom to do whatever the heck she wants.

The second mindset change you need is more directed at your husband:  he seems to be operating out of a sense of fear/insecurity, holding on to a property that by all accounts is losing you vast sums of money, and refusing to invest that money in the stock market, where you will make significantly more over the long term.  Again, I think that is a natural response for people who did not grow up in abundance and have had to work for everything; when you can finally get something tangible, it feels real and safe.  But that mindset is holding you back; you can see now from the numbers that instead of that property supporting you, you are working to support it!  It has gone from a haven, from a symbol of success, to an albatross.  So in his effort to be safe, he is hanging on to a property that is actually making you significantly less safe every year, because it is draining your finances! 

Unfortunately, he's not the one who wrote in asking for advice.  ;-)  So you are going to need to figure out how to persuade him.  Maybe he needs to learn more about the stock market to feel more comfortable investing.  Or maybe he's just not willing to let go of the need for something tangible.  In that case, let him focus on real estate investing, but approach it as an actual real estate investor would, looking at the numbers to figure out what makes a good rental vs. a bad one.  And that's the key:  a real estate investor does not buy property hoping that its value will go up -- that's speculation, not investing.  A real estate investor buys property because it provides a good, positive net monthly cash flow -- meaning it brings in more than it costs, even including planning for vacancies and covering needed repairs and periodic upgrades.  If the property value increases, that's just a bonus.  Real estate investing may satisfy his need to have a tangible thing, while doing it the right way would help your budget instead of hurt it.

This is truly excellent advice!    Heed it well.

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« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2019, 04:31:15 PM »
Taxes:  your state probably gives you credit for the 529s.  Max this.

Backdoor Roth:  it's easy.  We did it.  Open and fund a tIRA (we did ours with Fidelity).  Covert to Roth the day it hits the account.  I think it was like two clicks.

You list $10.5k/mo of spending, and $14k/mo of take-home pay.  Where's the other $3.5k/mo going?  I notice you haven't listed cell phones, kids' activities, or gifts.  Gym memberships?  Netflix?  Gaming?  Allowances for the kids?  That money is leaking out somewhere; find it.

The offshore property is not an asset.  It doesn't generate income, but probably has some expenses associate with it, therefore, it's a liability.  I would sell all the real estate you don't currently live in.

Are your priorities really $17k/yr to charity, but only $3k/yr to college for three children?

You might be able to retire relatively quickly, but that rests on you actually making your money work for you.  That will require a major overhaul of your current allocation.
California does NOT give a tax deduction for 529.

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« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2019, 09:16:41 PM »
As long as you are aware of the consequences of the choices you are making, then that's fine. Our family tithe 10% of our income every month (and donate quite a bit more than that to charity). We are aware of the impact of those choices on our financial bottom line and are okay with working a few more years to fund that.

However...

We are not going into credit card debt at exorbitant interest rates to fund the abovementioned choices. Share with the people you love most while you are alive, but share with money that you have earned, not with money that you have borrowed from credit card companies.

Also, there is a thread on the forums on how faith and Mustachianism interact. There are a lot of people who use being FI(RE) to give back to their community and to serve others. Here is the thread: https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/christians-how-does-your-faith-affect-your-mustachianism/msg2479034/#msg2479034

Thank you so much for sharing the above thread. It really spoke volume to me as a Christian. I was debating whether this FIRE mentality was Christian like and this thread put a clear perspective to things. I appreciated seeing fellow Mustachians who also tithe and give to charity. You’re absolutely correct about consequences. It was reckless to rack up those credit cards and they’re being paid off at the moment.

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« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2019, 09:22:53 PM »
Congratulations on your tremendous income!  You have worked hard and come a long way, and you should be very proud of that.

I am also not going to criticize you about the tithe and providing a helping hand to other family members.  I think generosity of spirit is a trait to be admired, and as long as you understand and are willing to accept the consequences, then that is a reasonable choice to make. 

But there are two mental shifts to make if you want to translate your high-income into long-term wealth.

The first is to understand that life is an "or," not an "and."  Even someone with your tremendous income cannot afford a big house and a money-losing rental house and a cushy lifestyle for you and your kids and thousands of dollars a month for the church and religious school and helping family AND retire in 10-15 years.  I think for many of us who came from more humble backgrounds, it is easy to think that an income like yours means you're rich and can have everything you want; you grow up with this vision of what "rich" means, and you start making more money than you ever dreamed, and so you assume that now you can live like that, and then 10 years later you wonder where the heck all that money went.  The reality is that even people at your income level cannot have it all; the illusion that rich = big houses and nice cars and fancy clothes is just that -- an illusion created by advertisers who are falling over themselves to convince you to spend more of your money on stuff you don't need. 

So what you need to do is really think about what your priorities are, and then decide whether you are deploying your money in the way that best gets you there.  One way of thinking about it is that whatever you spend in a given year, you need to have 25x that amount invested to support that spending forever.  So, for example, your cleaning costs you $320/mo, or almost $4K/yr; that means that if you want to keep this cleaning service forever, you will need to have almost $100K invested, just for that one thing.  So in other words, your total 401(k) now covers your cleaning service and your clothes purchases, and nothing else.  And that rental, with your @$600/mo loss without even considering vacancy or maintenance expenses?  You'll need $180K extra saved just for the privilege of continuing to own it.  That's over half a year's gross pay!  Are you willing to work an extra 9-12 months just to continue to own and rent that house?

I would suggest doing this analysis in conjunction with this:  https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/01/13/the-shockingly-simple-math-behind-early-retirement.  Because every dollar you spend on stuff now is another dollar that takes you further away from retirement.  So if you want to retire in say 15 years, you're going to need to save over half your salary.  Which goes back to how "rich" you really are:  you are living the lifestyle of someone who makes almost $300K/yr.  But if you actually want to retire on a reasonable timeline, you can really only "afford" the lifestyle of someone who makes less than $150K/yr -- which is still very very generous!!  You need to decide how much of that vast income you want to put towards Current You, and how much you want to put aside so that Future You will have the freedom to do whatever the heck she wants.

The second mindset change you need is more directed at your husband:  he seems to be operating out of a sense of fear/insecurity, holding on to a property that by all accounts is losing you vast sums of money, and refusing to invest that money in the stock market, where you will make significantly more over the long term.  Again, I think that is a natural response for people who did not grow up in abundance and have had to work for everything; when you can finally get something tangible, it feels real and safe.  But that mindset is holding you back; you can see now from the numbers that instead of that property supporting you, you are working to support it!  It has gone from a haven, from a symbol of success, to an albatross.  So in his effort to be safe, he is hanging on to a property that is actually making you significantly less safe every year, because it is draining your finances! 

Unfortunately, he's not the one who wrote in asking for advice.  ;-)  So you are going to need to figure out how to persuade him.  Maybe he needs to learn more about the stock market to feel more comfortable investing.  Or maybe he's just not willing to let go of the need for something tangible.  In that case, let him focus on real estate investing, but approach it as an actual real estate investor would, looking at the numbers to figure out what makes a good rental vs. a bad one.  And that's the key:  a real estate investor does not buy property hoping that its value will go up -- that's speculation, not investing.  A real estate investor buys property because it provides a good, positive net monthly cash flow -- meaning it brings in more than it costs, even including planning for vacancies and covering needed repairs and periodic upgrades.  If the property value increases, that's just a bonus.  Real estate investing may satisfy his need to have a tangible thing, while doing it the right way would help your budget instead of hurt it.

Nicely put. There is a trade off for all choices we make. I’m def learning my lesson. I also think you’re seeing right through my husband’s mentality. It’s a mindset of fear for the unknown and also scarcity, I think. We do not come from a country where there is a stock market. The more tangible your wealth is, the better is common there. It will take time to convince him otherwise but will be worth it. We’re in this together. Thanks for your feedback.

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« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2019, 09:31:09 PM »
The rental, I agree, must go. We’re not good at land-lording as someone pointed out.

Don't be too hard on yourself with regards to the rental. There are lots of people here who would have you make $15k/year (taxable at marginal rates) cash income on a rental for 18 years instead of $750,000 (taxable at concessional rates) in capital gains. Of course there are additional costs involved in that assumption, but the point remains having a property that appreciates in value isn't the worst thing in the world.

Having said that, if the holding costs are getting out of hand it may be time to cash in. Get a good accountant to work out the tax position before you sell.

Thank you. The holding costs are becoming expensive at this point because it will take us to spend substantial amounts before we can raise the rent. It has not been a bad deal overall considering the value increased $750k in the last 18 years or so but it is time to move on. Good point on capital gain taxes. Based on the little I’ve read on cap gain taxes on real estate, that will be a good 20% for our tax bracket for federal alone if we were to sell. Will continue to research this. There could be some other alternatives but probably out of state if we consider 1031 exchange. CA is too expensive for cash flow properties. We’ll see.

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« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2019, 05:07:16 PM »
The rental, I agree, must go. We’re not good at land-lording as someone pointed out.

Don't be too hard on yourself with regards to the rental. There are lots of people here who would have you make $15k/year (taxable at marginal rates) cash income on a rental for 18 years instead of $750,000 (taxable at concessional rates) in capital gains. Of course there are additional costs involved in that assumption, but the point remains having a property that appreciates in value isn't the worst thing in the world.

Having said that, if the holding costs are getting out of hand it may be time to cash in. Get a good accountant to work out the tax position before you sell.

Thank you. The holding costs are becoming expensive at this point because it will take us to spend substantial amounts before we can raise the rent. It has not been a bad deal overall considering the value increased $750k in the last 18 years or so but it is time to move on. Good point on capital gain taxes. Based on the little I’ve read on cap gain taxes on real estate, that will be a good 20% for our tax bracket for federal alone if we were to sell. Will continue to research this. There could be some other alternatives but probably out of state if we consider 1031 exchange. CA is too expensive for cash flow properties. We’ll see.

One thing you should assess is not how good has it BEEN.  Rather you need to look at how good it is NOW and how good it's going to be in the future.  Are you anticipating the same sort of appreciation going forward?  What will it take to get a reasonable rental yield?  Will you get a satisfactory return on that?  Holding on to past winners isn't always the best investment strategy.

But I also think you need to own the decisions and consumption that have come from your rental property.  The brutal truth is you haven't "made" $750k on it.  This is a property that you bought for $100k eighteen years ago and you now owe $340k on it.  And your own words say that you had nothing to show for that equity out.  This also points to rampant consumerism which is the core issue here that needs addressing.

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« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2019, 01:14:32 PM »
The rental, I agree, must go. We’re not good at land-lording as someone pointed out.

Don't be too hard on yourself with regards to the rental. There are lots of people here who would have you make $15k/year (taxable at marginal rates) cash income on a rental for 18 years instead of $750,000 (taxable at concessional rates) in capital gains. Of course there are additional costs involved in that assumption, but the point remains having a property that appreciates in value isn't the worst thing in the world.

Having said that, if the holding costs are getting out of hand it may be time to cash in. Get a good accountant to work out the tax position before you sell.

Thank you. The holding costs are becoming expensive at this point because it will take us to spend substantial amounts before we can raise the rent. It has not been a bad deal overall considering the value increased $750k in the last 18 years or so but it is time to move on. Good point on capital gain taxes. Based on the little I’ve read on cap gain taxes on real estate, that will be a good 20% for our tax bracket for federal alone if we were to sell. Will continue to research this. There could be some other alternatives but probably out of state if we consider 1031 exchange. CA is too expensive for cash flow properties. We’ll see.

One thing you should assess is not how good has it BEEN.  Rather you need to look at how good it is NOW and how good it's going to be in the future.  Are you anticipating the same sort of appreciation going forward?  What will it take to get a reasonable rental yield?  Will you get a satisfactory return on that?  Holding on to past winners isn't always the best investment strategy.

But I also think you need to own the decisions and consumption that have come from your rental property.  The brutal truth is you haven't "made" $750k on it.  This is a property that you bought for $100k eighteen years ago and you now owe $340k on it.  And your own words say that you had nothing to show for that equity out.  This also points to rampant consumerism which is the core issue here that needs addressing.

I was a little confused here too - how you can buy something for $100k and owe $340k on it. Even using the equity to borrow to purchase a new home to live in doesn't make sense because you owe $440k on that one too.


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« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2019, 10:16:38 PM »
The rental, I agree, must go. We’re not good at land-lording as someone pointed out.

Don't be too hard on yourself with regards to the rental. There are lots of people here who would have you make $15k/year (taxable at marginal rates) cash income on a rental for 18 years instead of $750,000 (taxable at concessional rates) in capital gains. Of course there are additional costs involved in that assumption, but the point remains having a property that appreciates in value isn't the worst thing in the world.

Having said that, if the holding costs are getting out of hand it may be time to cash in. Get a good accountant to work out the tax position before you sell.

Thank you. The holding costs are becoming expensive at this point because it will take us to spend substantial amounts before we can raise the rent. It has not been a bad deal overall considering the value increased $750k in the last 18 years or so but it is time to move on. Good point on capital gain taxes. Based on the little I’ve read on cap gain taxes on real estate, that will be a good 20% for our tax bracket for federal alone if we were to sell. Will continue to research this. There could be some other alternatives but probably out of state if we consider 1031 exchange. CA is too expensive for cash flow properties. We’ll see.

One thing you should assess is not how good has it BEEN.  Rather you need to look at how good it is NOW and how good it's going to be in the future.  Are you anticipating the same sort of appreciation going forward?  What will it take to get a reasonable rental yield?  Will you get a satisfactory return on that?  Holding on to past winners isn't always the best investment strategy.

But I also think you need to own the decisions and consumption that have come from your rental property.  The brutal truth is you haven't "made" $750k on it.  This is a property that you bought for $100k eighteen years ago and you now owe $340k on it.  And your own words say that you had nothing to show for that equity out.  This also points to rampant consumerism which is the core issue here that needs addressing.

I was a little confused here too - how you can buy something for $100k and owe $340k on it. Even using the equity to borrow to purchase a new home to live in doesn't make sense because you owe $440k on that one too.

To be honest we bought this house with nothing at first. A family friend had been looking for investment opportunities and came to visit us in the US in 2001 then on a whim decided to buy a rental property. Because he was foreign and buying a house was complicated, he asked us to carry the house in our name, which we did. The house was bought with $50k down payment and $180k mortgage in our name. I know... this was NAIVE and could have turned into a nightmare. We knew and trusted our friend. He’s a hard working, honest man. The property was rented right away and we never had any issues with it aside for some small repairs here and there. In fact, the house had a small cash flow at the time. By 2004, with the RE boom, our friend wanted to sell. We convinced him to “sell” it back to us in exchange for $100k, so we refinanced increasing the mortgage to pay him. He was happy doubling his money in less than 3 years and we were happy to own a house that we knew will be worth more in the future. A year later, we pulled some cash out of the property again to buy our current home. We were young, stupid and broke at time so all of our financings have been a series of interest payments only and HELOCs. Today our mortgage is $340k. 
So long story short, we did not buy the house for $100k, our cost has been the cumulative yearly losses ranging from as little as $1000 starting in 2004 to ~$7000 more recently because the rents no longer fully cover expenses due to the larger mortgages and bad financings. If I was to estimate, that could roughly be to $70k at the most. We’d have to do some major improvements to the house before asking for today’s market rent ($2,600/month). The improvements are estimated at around $50k and to be frank, I’m not sure we have the stomach for it. I would prefer to simplify our lives.

No need to state the obvious. The houses we bought back then, we could not afford. We lived beyond our means for a long time. We’ve had our share of bad decisions for sure but we’re now learning and are in the process of cleaning up our financial situation. We signed up for ynab. This will help us track track our expenses better.
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« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2019, 02:11:59 AM »
Re the investment property.  You certainly can't change the past.  But you should critically assess NOW whether holding it is an investment that is going to give you the return you want (be it long term capital gain or regular cash flow).  What it has or hasn't done in the past is irrelevant to what you should do now.

Making mistakes is part of the journey.  Many of us have made them.  Those that haven't are not being honest with themselves.  This is not about being mistake free.  It's about yearning to get better and learn from the mistakes (and learning just as much from the successes).  You can do this.  It might seem hard but it gets easier every day you live it.

A budget that's under control. 

Money working for you, not against you.

Conscious, not mindless, spending prioritised towards YOUR priorities.

A shared vision for what you hope to achieve.

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« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2019, 10:00:04 AM »
I think that might be a MMM forum record for worst rental property.

On the other hand, you did great on appreciation. Now time to take that money off the table and put it to work in the market (no offense, you shouldn't be even thinking about rentals unless you're willing to spend a lot of time and effort learning how to do it right).

That, plus a cuts in the ludicrous spending level, and you're good to be FIRE pretty fast. Think about how much good you could do in the world with a lot of free time - AND a rapidly compounding stache!

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« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2019, 04:21:15 PM »
1031 the rental into a handful of turnkey properties making 5-6% net. no cap gains that way. increased income.

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« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2019, 08:51:43 PM »
Update:

We paid off all our credit cards using the cash we had on hand. This gives us some relief and simplifies our finances to some extent. Thanks for everyone’s input. It’s amazing how uncomfortable we were to pay off these cards yet with some encouragement cutting the cord has been the best decision we’ve made in 2019. We will keep plugging away at the personal loan and are on track to pay it off in 2020.

The next step is to figure out what to do with the rental. A 1031 seems like the most tax friendly option. We’ll do some research on this.

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« Reply #30 on: November 13, 2019, 02:19:12 AM »
Woohoo! Keep up the good work!

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Re: How’s our financial situation?
« Reply #31 on: November 13, 2019, 09:37:59 AM »
Congrats -- great start!

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Re: How’s our financial situation?
« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2019, 07:39:51 AM »
I find this a very interesting thread to read. Interesting case, interesting replies.

There are some things completely alien to me, so hopefully you can explain me some things so my ignorance is a little bit relieved and my curiosity satisfied.

1. What is "tithing"? Google Translate doesn't give me anything worthwile. It's some way of giving money to charity I understood from the context?
2. I don't understand (in general) how people can spend money with credit cards - they are not accepted in normal stores in my country usually, only on airports and for some travel things. You actually can buy "normal" things with it? If so, why not use a debit card which directly draws from your checking account against 0 interest? (I do have a credit card, but only for business travel).
3. I read a lot about paychecks. Are these actually really "checks"? Or just a figure of speech? Isn't it much cheaper for all systems just to transfer money from bank account to bank accounts?

Thanks!

 

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