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36yr couple look at age ~38 - Are we missing something?
« on: January 09, 2021, 09:03:58 PM »
Topic Title: Are we missing something?

Life Situation: 36yr old couple of analysts (budget and sustainability) with 1 kid and another on the way in a few weeks; live in DC but plan to move back to midwest (Iowa/Wisconsin?) at FIRE (~18months / June 2022) for cheaper life and closer to family; plan to take it easy with young kiddos for a bit and dabble in our passions (mine: music/art/fitness/outdoors/nonsense; hers: gardening/cooking/ecology) and volunteer; we have had our eye on the prize for awhile and seek some confirmation / redirection on our plan.  We'll provide our future state of assets/liabilities (market and home-sale dependent, of course) to avoid muddying the waters but will also provide current and projected future spending for entertainment value and for your input regarding if the changes we are projecting seem realistic.  We are mostly interested in your perspective on our tax strategy and if we are missing anything.

Gross Salary/Wages: Currently bring in $250K/yr; we plan $0 in work income for quite some time after ER (though opportunities seem to pursue us... and we're both a bit energetic...)

Other Ordinary Income: ~$20K non-taxed military-disability

Current expenses: total ~$100K:
$42K/yr home/mortgage (~$22K interest, $13K principal; $7K escrow);
$23K childcare (1 kid);
$12K food (groceries/restaurants including social occasions/dog);
$7K hobbies;
$7K vacations;
$4K utilities (electric/gas/sewer/water/internet/phone/etc);
$2K car stuff (insurance, gas, repairs);
$2K house stuff (repairs; furniture; etc.);
$1K miscellaneous (professional/clothes/gifts/medical/etc.)

Expected ER expenses (Jun2022): total $55K<$95K
<$30K home
<$2K childcare (very seldom);
$10K food (cooking!);
$0-25K hobbies (super variable depending on market etc.);
$0-15K vacations (super variable depending on market etc.);
$4K utilities (electric/gas/sewer/water/internet/phone/etc);
$2K car stuff (insurance, gas, repairs);
$2K house stuff (repairs; furniture; etc.);
$1K miscellaneous (clothes/gifts/medical/etc.)
$5K health insurance (for wife and kids, I am covered by VA)

Assets: PROJECTED (Jun2022) ~$1.8M total with ~$150K in cash; ~$750K trad; ~$85K roth; ~$800K post-tax investment (*note - all investments in aggressive postures w/90/10 split including some growth and IT ETFs*)
additionally we have the $20K annual disability which is adjusted annually for inflation (so at the 4% rule = ~$500K asset)

Liabilities: $0 until we purchase a home/property for <$400K, zero-down through VA

Specific Questions:
1) if we live on only post-tax investment until 59.5, then our income is only based on ordinary dividends, correct?
2) if we convert trad funds to roth funds, then we have to keep our ordinary dividends and conversion "income" below $80K to avoid capital gains tax, correct?
3) if we keep ~3 yrs of must-pay expenses in cash, we are in a better position to ride the waves with an aggressive investment portfolio, correct?
4) Are we nuts to keep ~3 yrs of must-pay expenses in cash?
5) If we stay below the 4x poverty line (which staying below $80K "income" provides), health insurance should be significantly subsidized through ACA (location dependent, of course), correct?  As a note, we do not have regular medical costs and only wish to have insurance for massive unpredictables.
6) What is the level of market drop at which we would want to turn a regular quarterly draw off and live off of the cash?  For example, -2% doesn't seem frightening in a quarter but -10% does... is there a magic # here?

Thank you for your expertise and attention!

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Re: 36yr couple look at age ~38 - Are we missing something?
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2021, 11:30:27 PM »
1) if we live on only post-tax investment until 59.5, then our income is only based on ordinary dividends, correct?
Some of which may be qualified dividends.  There may also be interest and capital gains.
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2) if we convert trad funds to roth funds, then we have to keep our ordinary dividends and conversion "income" below $80K to avoid capital gains tax, correct?
$80,800 in 2021, and that's taxable income.  Add your standard deduction of $25,100 and your adjusted gross income can be up to $105,900 before long term capital gains and qualified dividends start being taxed.
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3) if we keep ~3 yrs of must-pay expenses in cash, we are in a better position to ride the waves with an aggressive investment portfolio, correct?
Your resistance to selling out of fear is the main thing.  If having a large cash backstop improves that resistance, then yes.
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4) Are we nuts to keep ~3 yrs of must-pay expenses in cash?
You'll know only after the fact.
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5) If we stay below the 4x poverty line (which staying below $80K "income" provides), health insurance should be significantly subsidized through ACA (location dependent, of course), correct?  As a note, we do not have regular medical costs and only wish to have insurance for massive unpredictables.
Highly dependent on your location and range of options.
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6) What is the level of market drop at which we would want to turn a regular quarterly draw off and live off of the cash?  For example, -2% doesn't seem frightening in a quarter but -10% does... is there a magic # here?
No magic number (except in hindsight).

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Re: 36yr couple look at age ~38 - Are we missing something?
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2021, 11:34:58 PM »
1) if we live on only post-tax investment until 59.5, then our income is only based on ordinary dividends, correct?

ACA health care looks at your MAGI, which for most people will be the same as their adjusted gross income (AGI). This would include dividends, capital gains, Roth conversions, work income, income from rental properties, all sorts of things.

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2) if we convert trad funds to roth funds, then we have to keep our ordinary dividends and conversion "income" below $80K to avoid capital gains tax, correct?

Capital gains brackets work similarly to regular income brackets. If you go over $80k taxable income with capital gains, the excess over that amount would be taxed at 15%, and whatever's below would still be taxed at 0%. Note that this $80k number is taxable income (i.e. income after subtracting your standard or itemized deduction).

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3) if we keep ~3 yrs of must-pay expenses in cash, we are in a better position to ride the waves with an aggressive investment portfolio, correct?

Sure.

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4) Are we nuts to keep ~3 yrs of must-pay expenses in cash?

A lot of people use bonds for this purpose, as they can return a bit more than cash while being similarly stable in value. Cash isn't "nuts" though.

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5) If we stay below the 4x poverty line (which staying below $80K "income" provides), health insurance should be significantly subsidized through ACA (location dependent, of course), correct?

Perhaps. Near 4x the poverty level you might find the subsidies to be rather small given your age, if they exist at all. It will depend on what the silver plans in your area cost. The second-cheapest one of these is what's used to calculate the subsidies. Between 3-4x the poverty level, if that plan costs less than roughly 10% of your income there won't be a subsidy. The lower your income, the more significant the subsidy will be.

Also be aware that in many states, the cutoff income level for Medicaid is significantly higher for kids than for adults. It's not necessarily a bad thing to be on Medicaid, but you should investigate where the line is in the area you plan to live, and whether people around there find the physician networks on Medicaid to be satisfactory. That will help inform your income planning.

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6) What is the level of market drop at which we would want to turn a regular quarterly draw off and live off of the cash?  For example, -2% doesn't seem frightening in a quarter but -10% does... is there a magic # here?

Different people will have different strategies here. I personally just have a target percentage of our portfolio per asset class, and sell whatever's above target to pay the bills. If stocks have gone up recently, my portfolio is probably a bit overweight in stocks compared to my targets, so I'll sell stocks that month. If stocks are doing poorly then bonds are probably above their target and I'll sell those instead.

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Re: 36yr couple look at age ~38 - Are we missing something?
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2021, 08:46:06 AM »
Re: ACA questions.  Iowa uses the federal healthcare.gov website.  You can do a "what if" inquiry there, and see what your medical expenses would be using this year's plans and values.  Things can and do change, but if you are only 2 years out, it would be a good starting place for you.  It would certainly let you get a feel for the implications of different income levels.

You might also look at SeattleCyclone's blog for commentary on ACA subsidies and income levels.