Will Trump's follow through with 25% tariffs on Canada

[techwiz]

I think he is using it as leverage and making a big show on how tough he negotiates. I think the dates will get pushed out, or them do come into effect they will be removed quickly with him claiming a big win, similar to his tariff threat on Colombia. 

[GuitarStv]

I fully expect him to follow through and kick off a trade war.  I'm unclear if he'll do it Feb 1 (that comes down to whim most likely).  If wrong, I'll be quite happy.

[NorCal]

I think they get applied with the intent of being rapidly removed the moment Mexico and Canada give Trump some concession he can declare victory with.

How Mexico and Canada behave will determine whether this turns into a quick Trump PR victory, or something nasty and drawn out. 

If Trump turns to financial penalties like bank sanctions or OFAC regulations, it will shake the foundations of the entire world's finances.  I don't think it will go there, but I don't rule it out either. 

[sixwings]

I think they get applied with the intent of being rapidly removed the moment Mexico and Canada give Trump some concession he can declare victory with.

How Mexico and Canada behave will determine whether this turns into a quick Trump PR victory, or something nasty and drawn out. 

If Trump turns to financial penalties like bank sanctions or OFAC regulations, it will shake the foundations of the entire world's finances.  I don't think it will go there, but I don't rule it out either.

I agree that was the intent, but Trumps rhetoric escalated everything. If he had talked about wanting to renegotiate trade deals because mexico and china were breaking the spirit of the agreement with chinese company pass throughs, or he wanted more border security from canada in exchange for better trade terms no one would have cared or paid much attention, trade negotiations always happen. But he started to talk about turning canada into the 51st state if they didn't bend to what he wanted and he was going to use economic means to take over the country, incredibly stupid shit like that, and now it's turned into a matter of national pride that we won't be bullied or forced to submit to the US.

If Trump turns to such drastic measures like bank sanctions or OFAC regulations it has escalated to the point where we have been embargoing potash, the american food supply has collapsed and we're probably very close to an actual war. I would expect that Canada would be leaning hard on allies such as the EU to support in economic pressure on the US, and I don't think the US citizens, who are already not super into this (go see r/conservative the most pro-trump forum i will view is really not in favor of this), would support something like that for more than a few seconds. With an election in 2026 republicans would get completely wiped out. 

[Omy]

He promised that if he won, we'd never have to vote again. Maybe they aren't that worried about midterms...

[RetiredAt63]

I think they get applied with the intent of being rapidly removed the moment Mexico and Canada give Trump some concession he can declare victory with.

How Mexico and Canada behave will determine whether this turns into a quick Trump PR victory, or something nasty and drawn out. 

If Trump turns to financial penalties like bank sanctions or OFAC regulations, it will shake the foundations of the entire world's finances.  I don't think it will go there, but I don't rule it out either.

I agree that was the intent, but Trumps rhetoric escalated everything. If he had talked about wanting to renegotiate trade deals because mexico and china were breaking the spirit of the agreement with chinese company pass throughs, or he wanted more border security from canada in exchange for better trade terms no one would have cared or paid much attention, trade negotiations always happen. But he started to talk about turning canada into the 51st state if they didn't bend to what he wanted and he was going to use economic means to take over the country, incredibly stupid shit like that, and now it's turned into a matter of national pride that we won't be bullied or forced to submit to the US.

If Trump turns to such drastic measures like bank sanctions or OFAC regulations it has escalated to the point where we have been embargoing potash, the american food supply has collapsed and we're probably very close to an actual war. I would expect that Canada would be leaning hard on allies such as the EU to support in economic pressure on the US, and I don't think the US citizens, who are already not super into this (go see r/conservative the most pro-trump forum i will view is really not in favor of this), would support something like that for more than a few seconds. With an election in 2026 republicans would get completely wiped out.

Oh yeah, "try and bully us and see how it goes" is basically what I'm seeing.  And we would love a tighter border, let's stop all the illegal guns coming over.

[RetiredAt63]

Just saw a news briefing from the White House PR woman.  Tariffs start tomorrow.


Shall we put a 100% tariff on Teslas?    ;-)

[NorCal]

Just saw a news briefing from the White House PR woman.  Tariffs start tomorrow.


Shall we put a 100% tariff on Teslas?    ;-)

I think Canada is about 2-3% of Tesla’s annual sales. Losing that would be bad for a company already struggling with growth, but it wouldn’t be disastrous.

If China declares Tesla a national security risk, it would throw the company into a catastrophic tailspin.  It would even cost Elon Musk his job.

It feels weird to be rooting against an American company as a way of rooting for the US.

[RetiredAt63]

Just saw a news briefing from the White House PR woman.  Tariffs start tomorrow.


Shall we put a 100% tariff on Teslas?    ;-)

I think Canada is about 2-3% of Tesla’s annual sales. Losing that would be bad for a company already struggling with growth, but it wouldn’t be disastrous.

If China declares Tesla a national security risk, it would throw the company into a catastrophic tailspin.  It would even cost Elon Musk his job.

It feels weird to be rooting against an American company as a way of rooting for the US.

Tesla would be a special case, I am guessing.

As a Canadian it feels weird to think a successful (on our part) trade war is doing our friend and ally a favour in the long run.

We live in interesting times.   :-(

[Heckler]

I think he forgot in his old age. Went golfing and attacked ISIS from his phone instead.  Chump.

[Ottawa]

Late to poll...checks news...
I'm going with 4 February...

[scottish]

Just saw a news briefing from the White House PR woman.  Tariffs start tomorrow.


Shall we put a 100% tariff on Teslas?    ;-)

I think Canada is about 2-3% of Tesla’s annual sales. Losing that would be bad for a company already struggling with growth, but it wouldn’t be disastrous.

If China declares Tesla a national security risk, it would throw the company into a catastrophic tailspin.  It would even cost Elon Musk his job.

It feels weird to be rooting against an American company as a way of rooting for the US.

Tesla would be a special case, I am guessing.

As a Canadian it feels weird to think a successful (on our part) trade war is doing our friend and ally a favour in the long run.

We live in interesting times.   :-(

If it motivates us to diversify our trade partners, T***p may be doing us a long term favour as well.

[thriftyc]

The kicker is its American consumers paying these tariffs. They need our minerals and energy; we should put an exit tax on these, so the money stays in Canada.

[Omy]

It's official. Tariffs start on Tuesday.

[OttawaNeal]

Just saw a news briefing from the White House PR woman.  Tariffs start tomorrow.


Shall we put a 100% tariff on Teslas?    ;-)

On CBC Cross-Country Checkup today there was a caller who I thought had a great idea.  Remove the 100% tariff we recently followed the US in applying to Chinese electric vehicles, and strike a deal with China to start producing Chinese designed cars here.  They have electric cars that are better than Teslas after all.  What better retaliation could there be? 😂

[RetiredAt63]

Just saw a news briefing from the White House PR woman.  Tariffs start tomorrow.


Shall we put a 100% tariff on Teslas?    ;-)

On CBC Cross-Country Checkup today there was a caller who I thought had a great idea.  Remove the 100% tariff we recently followed the US in applying to Chinese electric vehicles, and strike a deal with China to start producing Chinese designed cars here.  They have electric cars that are better than Teslas after all.  What better retaliation could there be? 😂

That actually sounds good.

And re-examine any tariffs we have established just to be in line with USA tariffs.  If we did one there may be others.

[techwiz]

It's official. Tariffs start on Tuesday.

Still waiting to see how "official" all this is even in the X post from Justin Trudeau he uses the word "intends".

Justin Trudeau
@JustinTrudeau
The United States has confirmed that it intends to impose 25% tariffs on most Canadian goods, with 10% tariffs on energy, starting February 4.

[Heckler]

Only one vote for "bluff" (me).   You all disappoint me.

The art of the deal.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-trump-speak-trade-war-1.7448805

[Heckler]

The prime minister also made a series of new commitments to Trump, including a promise to appoint a new fentanyl "czar." And he promised to list Mexican cartels, one of the top purveyors of fentanyl and other drugs in Canada and the U.S., as terrorists under Canadian law.

Drug lords to be added among other terrorists...  The irony. (click the link, you know you want to...)

https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/ntnl-scrt/cntr-trrrsm/lstd-ntts/crrnt-lstd-ntts-en.aspx#510

[Herbert Derp]

Tariffs are rescinded, seems like Trump is strong-arming Canada into making a deal:
https://x.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1886529228193022429

I just had a good call with President Trump. Canada is implementing our $1.3 billion border plan — reinforcing the border with new choppers, technology and personnel, enhanced coordination with our American partners, and increased resources to stop the flow of fentanyl. Nearly 10,000 frontline personnel are and will be working on protecting the border.
 
In addition, Canada is making new commitments to appoint a Fentanyl Czar, we will list cartels as terrorists, ensure 24/7 eyes on the border, launch a Canada- U.S. Joint Strike Force to combat organized crime, fentanyl and money laundering. I have also signed a new intelligence directive on organized crime and fentanyl and we will be backing it with $200 million.
 
Proposed tariffs will be paused for at least 30 days while we work together.

[sixwings]

Tariffs are rescinded, seems like Trump is strong-arming Canada into making a deal:
https://x.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1886529228193022429

I just had a good call with President Trump. Canada is implementing our $1.3 billion border plan — reinforcing the border with new choppers, technology and personnel, enhanced coordination with our American partners, and increased resources to stop the flow of fentanyl. Nearly 10,000 frontline personnel are and will be working on protecting the border.
 
In addition, Canada is making new commitments to appoint a Fentanyl Czar, we will list cartels as terrorists, ensure 24/7 eyes on the border, launch a Canada- U.S. Joint Strike Force to combat organized crime, fentanyl and money laundering. I have also signed a new intelligence directive on organized crime and fentanyl and we will be backing it with $200 million.
 
Proposed tariffs will be paused for at least 30 days while we work together.

lol don't be stupid, Trump didn't strong arm Canada or Mexico into anything. For Canada, those were all things we were already doing. All of this except designating cartels as terrorists and some border czar appointment was part of a deal negotiated with Biden, and those 2 things are nothing. The Mexican "deal" is the same as an agreement signed with Biden 4 years ago. This is Trumps move, create a crisis then solve it by doing what was already going to be done, and call it a huge win for America and morons eat it right up. 

Trump folded like a wet sack of shit and the world moves away from America as an ally and partner.

[GuitarStv]

Tariffs are rescinded, seems like Trump is strong-arming Canada into making a deal:
https://x.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1886529228193022429

I just had a good call with President Trump. Canada is implementing our $1.3 billion border plan — reinforcing the border with new choppers, technology and personnel, enhanced coordination with our American partners, and increased resources to stop the flow of fentanyl. Nearly 10,000 frontline personnel are and will be working on protecting the border.
 
In addition, Canada is making new commitments to appoint a Fentanyl Czar, we will list cartels as terrorists, ensure 24/7 eyes on the border, launch a Canada- U.S. Joint Strike Force to combat organized crime, fentanyl and money laundering. I have also signed a new intelligence directive on organized crime and fentanyl and we will be backing it with $200 million.
 
Proposed tariffs will be paused for at least 30 days while we work together.

lol don't be stupid, Trump didn't strong arm Canada or Mexico into anything. For Canada, those were all things we were already doing. All of this except designating cartels as terrorists and some border czar appointment was part of a deal negotiated with Biden, and those 2 things are nothing. The Mexican "deal" is the same as an agreement signed with Biden 4 years ago. This is Trumps move, create a crisis then solve it by doing what was already going to be done, and call it a huge win for America and morons eat it right up. 

Trump folded like a wet sack of shit and the world moves away from America as an ally and partner.

It's also part of the deluge of bullshit.  He just made everyone care about something for several days that he then turned into nothing.  This fatigues people who are trying to watch him to counter his actions, and confirms to his supporters that everyone else is making a whole big thing out of nothing at all.

[deborah]

But he has achieved something. His followers now know that he got these concessions from Mexico and Canada - certainly not the previous administration. In a month, he will want more concessions, and when he doesn’t get anything, or can’t think of anything else that the previous administration did, he can really slap on the tariffs.

[RetiredAt63]

But he has achieved something. His followers now know that he got these concessions from Mexico and Canada - certainly not the previous administration. In a month, he will want more concessions, and when he doesn’t get anything, or can’t think of anything else that the previous administration did, he can really slap on the tariffs.

At least on the Canadian part, these were things we already started with Biden.  But yes, it makes Trump look like he made us do something.

I can't say I'm sorry there will be more border surveillance by us.  Maybe it will mean fewer guns being smuggled.  And if any of the crazy militias posting they would like to invade  us (West Virginia, you have some crazies) actually try, it will be easier to stop them.

I don't think Canadians will relax.  The need to diversify the economy is pretty obvious now, and the time to do it is while the rest of the world is really open to the idea.  Also more refineries at home and more oil exported elsewhere.

[rocketpj]

But he has achieved something. His followers now know that he got these concessions from Mexico and Canada - certainly not the previous administration. In a month, he will want more concessions, and when he doesn’t get anything, or can’t think of anything else that the previous administration did, he can really slap on the tariffs.

At least on the Canadian part, these were things we already started with Biden.  But yes, it makes Trump look like he made us do something.

I can't say I'm sorry there will be more border surveillance by us.  Maybe it will mean fewer guns being smuggled.  And if any of the crazy militias posting they would like to invade  us (West Virginia, you have some crazies) actually try, it will be easier to stop them.

I don't think Canadians will relax.  The need to diversify the economy is pretty obvious now, and the time to do it is while the rest of the world is really open to the idea.  Also more refineries at home and more oil exported elsewhere.

As I said in another thread, until 2 weeks ago Canada and Canadians thought we were allies in trying to 'contain' China.  Now we have to look at China as a possible ally in trying to 'contain' the US.  Because clearly the US is not our ally, if they ever were.  My grandfather, who fought beside Americans in Europe, would have been devastated.

[OttawaNeal]

Is it considered too late to vote, "Yes?" 😂

[RetiredAt63]

Is it considered too late to vote, "Yes?" 😂

Yes.

Next topic - now that we did the 25% retaliation, will he retaliate our retaliation?  He has threatened to. 

[BrandonP]

Is it considered too late to vote, "Yes?" 😂

Yes.

Next topic - now that we did the 25% retaliation, will he retaliate our retaliation?  He has threatened to.

I believe he will. The plan is to cause us economic hardship in order for us to become the 51st state so they have access to all the natural resources we have. Get ready for a very bumpy ride!

Hopefully we can join the EU instead!

[HenryDavid]

Yup, join EU and take lessons from Finland and Estonia on how to live next to a dictatorship.

[GuitarStv]

Yup, join EU and take lessons from Finland and Estonia on how to live next to a dictatorship.

. . . and possibly Ukraine.  Probably a good time for Canada to rethink it's no-nukes stance.