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TFSA and job abroad: can I contribute?
« on: January 28, 2022, 12:31:03 PM »
hi all,

I got a temporary job abroad and I am not sure if I count as a resident or not for TFSA purposes. Let me highlight that I WANT TO BE a resident of Canada. I WANT to return (I'm applying for jobs back home in Ottawa but no luck so far). I WANT to contribute to my TFSA. And I surely WANT my contribution room to not stop increasing.

Apparently one needs to report themselves to the CRA and there is a form and process through which they will evaluate whether you're still a resident.
https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/tax/international-non-residents/information-been-moved/determining-your-residency-status.html - website with info
https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/forms-publications/forms/nr73.html - pdf form
So Q1: Has anyone had to go through the form and that process and could report what to expect?
Q2: does anyone have an idea what the odds are one to be deemed nonresident... seems quite radical to me, as if my country is disowning me!!!
Q3: do I need a tax consultant for that? I reached out to a company that specializes in expat taxes and they asked 1500 for a "10 hour mandate" that I could "spend as I wish". That sounds expensive to me and also I don't know if they can actually do something for me or will it be just "here's the form, fill it and we send it to CRA and tell u their reply" type of service.
Q4: any other q that I should be asking you and don't even know that I should? ....

Right now I'm saving money but I'm afraid to contribute to TFSA and here (EU) there's a 30% tax on capital gains and CRAZY brokerage fees so I'm hesitant to invest where I am. So I'm not sure what to do with my money...

I am grateful for any advice (including good tax advisors knowledgeable about expat situations that hopefully charge less than 150$ p/h)

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Re: TFSA and job abroad: can I contribute?
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2022, 09:51:58 AM »
Unless you sever ties with Canada, and are considered a full tax resident of the country you are moving to, you will still be a deemed resident of Canada, and will still be entitled to a TFSA.

I was an expat for half of my working career.  My first posting was in the UK, and the visa I had there did not consider me to be ordinarily resident to the UK, which only meant that although they collected full taxes on my UK earned income, including contributions to their social security plans, they did NOT tax me on my world income.  I my case world income at that time was rental income that I had in Canada. 

When I subsequently moved to Indonesia, they did consider me a full tax resident, and they taxed my Canadian sourced income.  At that time I was eligible to sever my residency with Canada.  Something that I wanted to do, I am not sure it was mandatory to do it.

Basically, it depends mostly on where you will be moving to, as well as what your intentions are. 

It sounds like you can just stay a tax resident of Canada without issue. 

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Re: TFSA and job abroad: can I contribute?
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2022, 09:54:17 AM »
And no, you don’t need to hire someone to file the forms for you, I never did, either for leaving or returning to Canada, but I was raised to do my own taxes, something I have come to learn that the vast majority of the population were raised to think that persona income taxes are tough, indecipherable and something you must pay a stranger to do for you.

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Re: TFSA and job abroad: can I contribute?
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2022, 03:39:18 PM »
hi Fire Artist, thank you so so much for this info.
I'm in Austria, which apparently wants to tax every bit of foreign income it can. I don't think it has any gradients in terms of that but of course I may be mistaken.
I am here temporarily and my contract cannot be extended. So my intentions are to get back to Canada when the EU gig is over.
And most importantly, to channel all my EU savings into my dearest Canadian TFSA until I max it out.
I also want to get my pension in Canada. So if possible, I want my pension contributions in Austria to be somehow transferred to Ca. I am told there are such treaties not only for taxes but even for pensions. Since you've also worked in multiple countries, perhaps you can share what you know about that too?

Kudos to your parents for teaching you this empowering skill. For me it's the anxiety of not getting it right and the time it would take to indeed get it right reading all the laws and getting them... In this case: the huge fines associated with contributing to the TFSA.
I was not even aware that I'm supposed to report myself on leaving the country. The funny thing with all this pandemic is that I've barely been to my office or met the people at my new job. I could've done it from Canada just the same. These rules seems so outdated...

Thank you again for the encouraging information!

PS. Your life sounds very interesting :-)

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Re: TFSA and job abroad: can I contribute?
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2022, 08:03:29 PM »
If your employer is not paying into CPP on your behalf (unlikely), you will not accrue any CPP rights during your time away.  You may well be entitled to a small check from Austria for any similar program they have.  My sister gets an annual statement of her pension rights from Australia and she only spent one year there on a working holiday visa.   

I never contributed to CPP the entire time I was abroad, so I will be getting a very small pension through that channel and have planned accordingly. 

For OAS, you need to have 40 years residency in Canada between 18 and 65 to get the maximum pension allowed.  It sounds like you will have no problem getting that.  Whether or not you can get any equivalent funds from Austria will depend on their program rules.  For example, the UK requires a minimum of 10 years residence in UK to be eligible for any senior benefits.  I was there for 2.5 years only.  Because I was a tax resident of Canada that entire time, and since the contributions were known to be forfeited to the UK with no entitlement to a benefit, there was a tax rule that allowed me to deduct those contributions on my Canadian tax.  I dont’ think it was a tax credit, i think it was a write off to reduce my net income, but that has been 17 years ago now, so things are  starting to get fuzzy. 

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Re: TFSA and job abroad: can I contribute?
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2022, 08:04:29 PM »
I just spent the last five years living/working in the Middle East and so I know some things about this...

I got a temporary job abroad and I am not sure if I count as a resident or not for TFSA purposes. Let me highlight that I WANT TO BE a resident of Canada. I WANT to return (I'm applying for jobs back home in Ottawa but no luck so far). I WANT to contribute to my TFSA. And I surely WANT my contribution room to not stop increasing.

Congratulations on your new job :)  - I guess?  I hope you are enjoying it, even if it's not where you want to be long term!

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Apparently one needs to report themselves to the CRA and there is a form and process through which they will evaluate whether you're still a resident.
https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/tax/international-non-residents/information-been-moved/determining-your-residency-status.html - website with info
https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/forms-publications/forms/nr73.html - pdf form
So Q1: Has anyone had to go through the form and that process and could report what to expect?

I did submit NR73 myself, for Reasons, but it's neither necessary nor useful for most people.  To clear up a misunderstanding here:  this form is not required in order to either change or maintain your tax residency status.  The way you change your tax residency status to non-resident is by submitting a "departure" tax return to CRA (when tax season comes around) for the year in which your residency changed.  You don't do it by submitting NR73.

And if you do submit NR73, all you get in response is a letter indicating CRA's opinion as to whether they consider you a resident or non-resident based on the facts you provide.  This is a non-binding opinion and CRA reserves the right to change their minds at a later date.

Since you don't want to change your residency status anyway, you can skip NR73 (no problem if you already submitted it, but it's just pointless for you).  What you do need to do is submit a tax return to CRA at the normal time of year, and include your foreign income...you will want to familiarize yourself with the terms of the tax treaty between Austria and Canada;  treaties like this are meant to prevent double taxation.  You will almost certainly have to submit a tax return to both countries, but you shouldn't be double-taxed (you may end up paying the higher of the two tax rates, though, whether that's Canada's or Austria's).

Austria is unlikely to recognize your TFSA as tax-advantaged space (this will depend on the terms of the treaty, but usually RRSPs are recognized and the newer TFSAs aren't).  Austria will probably consider your TFSA to be the same as a regular taxable account, nothing special.

However, since you will still be a tax resident of Canada, you can certainly continue contributing to your TFSA and you will continue getting additional space for it every year, the same as any other Canadian resident.  And Canada won't tax it.
 
It's possible that you would be better off doing RRSP contributions instead.

Q2: does anyone have an idea what the odds are one to be deemed nonresident... seems quite radical to me, as if my country is disowning me!!!

Hah.  Well, generally speaking, it's becoming a non-resident that requires effort on your part to make happen.  Staying a tax resident is the default, and I know people who've lived and worked abroad for many years and yet are still tax residents of Canada.  If you are doing temporary contract work outside Canada and you intend to repatriate after that, CRA would deem you a resident in that situation anyway, no question (even if you didn't want them to).

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Q3: do I need a tax consultant for that? I reached out to a company that specializes in expat taxes and they asked 1500 for a "10 hour mandate" that I could "spend as I wish". That sounds expensive to me and also I don't know if they can actually do something for me or will it be just "here's the form, fill it and we send it to CRA and tell u their reply" type of service.

Mmm, I'd be hesitant to hire an accountant in your situation, as it sounds relatively simple.  Maybe try dealing with it yourself first and see how you make out;  you can always hire someone later.  Remember you can contact CRA directly if you have questions too.

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Right now I'm saving money but I'm afraid to contribute to TFSA and here (EU) there's a 30% tax on capital gains and CRAZY brokerage fees so I'm hesitant to invest where I am. So I'm not sure what to do with my money...

I'm not super familiar with the expat investing situation in Europe, but I'm aware that brokers are significantly more expensive there.  However, if you're still a Canadian resident, you should be able to open/maintain an account with a Canadian brokerage like Questrade just fine.  I kept my Questrade account as a non-resident, no problem.

During this time, you may still owe the 30% capital gains tax to Austria on your investment accounts that are located in Canada - I can't speak to that (check the tax treaty)...but that has nothing to do with whether you're allowed to have such accounts.  And since you have long-term plans to live in Canada, I'd be inclined to keep these accounts in Canada, in your place.  Just simplifies your life.

 

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