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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #50 on: March 11, 2025, 05:36:16 PM »
Denmark is fairly homogeneous both in ethnicity and religion compared to the USA though correct?

Yeah, of course, but my point was that it's amusing how the local chatter in Copenhagen is so wildly different from other cities.

Obviously there are major reasons for that, and it's not all sunshine and roses, there's a huge amount of racism over there. But if I'm looking to leave Canada for somewhere less stressful and where the healthcare is much better, Denmark would be an amazing option, except that I don't speak the language.

So I could get by, but I wouldn't love not being able to socialize optimally. Danes apparently make most of their friends in school and just stick with them, so while they mostly speak English, they don't like to socialize in English and that makes it incredibly difficult for immigrants to make friends unless their Danish is fluent. Because one Dane will speak English but a group of Danes will socialize in Danish and will not welcome someone who requires them to stick to their second language.

Just curious, aside from the health care situation, (you're not the only one who feels stuck in Ontario) what part of Canada is stressing you out?

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« Reply #51 on: March 11, 2025, 06:10:45 PM »
Denmark is fairly homogeneous both in ethnicity and religion compared to the USA though correct?

Yeah, of course, but my point was that it's amusing how the local chatter in Copenhagen is so wildly different from other cities.

Obviously there are major reasons for that, and it's not all sunshine and roses, there's a huge amount of racism over there. But if I'm looking to leave Canada for somewhere less stressful and where the healthcare is much better, Denmark would be an amazing option, except that I don't speak the language.

So I could get by, but I wouldn't love not being able to socialize optimally. Danes apparently make most of their friends in school and just stick with them, so while they mostly speak English, they don't like to socialize in English and that makes it incredibly difficult for immigrants to make friends unless their Danish is fluent. Because one Dane will speak English but a group of Danes will socialize in Danish and will not welcome someone who requires them to stick to their second language.

Just curious, aside from the health care situation, (you're not the only one who feels stuck in Ontario) what part of Canada is stressing you out?

It's impossible to separate our factors like that. Healthcare is a constant threat for me and always has me on edge living here. So it's impossible for me to say how much other factors would impact me if I wasn't already always looking sideways at the exit.

If I felt safe here, a lot of things probably wouldn't bother me as much as I wouldn't be always thinking about where else I might want to live. But feeling fundamentally unsafe living here doesn't exactly encourage me to have tolerance for other annoyances, like spending the last few years dreading the unavoidable election of someone I know and dislike as our next prime minister.

The fact that it's taken Trump as an existential threat to get people to even contemplate not electing a known moron is, just, not endearing to me.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #52 on: March 11, 2025, 06:55:42 PM »
Denmark is fairly homogeneous both in ethnicity and religion compared to the USA though correct?

Yeah, of course, but my point was that it's amusing how the local chatter in Copenhagen is so wildly different from other cities.

Obviously there are major reasons for that, and it's not all sunshine and roses, there's a huge amount of racism over there. But if I'm looking to leave Canada for somewhere less stressful and where the healthcare is much better, Denmark would be an amazing option, except that I don't speak the language.

So I could get by, but I wouldn't love not being able to socialize optimally. Danes apparently make most of their friends in school and just stick with them, so while they mostly speak English, they don't like to socialize in English and that makes it incredibly difficult for immigrants to make friends unless their Danish is fluent. Because one Dane will speak English but a group of Danes will socialize in Danish and will not welcome someone who requires them to stick to their second language.

Just curious, aside from the health care situation, (you're not the only one who feels stuck in Ontario) what part of Canada is stressing you out?

It's impossible to separate our factors like that. Healthcare is a constant threat for me and always has me on edge living here. So it's impossible for me to say how much other factors would impact me if I wasn't already always looking sideways at the exit.

If I felt safe here, a lot of things probably wouldn't bother me as much as I wouldn't be always thinking about where else I might want to live. But feeling fundamentally unsafe living here doesn't exactly encourage me to have tolerance for other annoyances, like spending the last few years dreading the unavoidable election of someone I know and dislike as our next prime minister.

The fact that it's taken Trump as an existential threat to get people to even contemplate not electing a known moron is, just, not endearing to me.

I know we get tired of whoever is in, but the Conservatives have made such bad choices in leaders, we either vote the Liberals out and get the Conservatives, or keep chugging along with the Liberals.  And the NDP have been stagnating.  Too bad Charlie Angus is retiring, although he might not be the best choice for party leader right now, very inflammatory, in a good way.  But the NDP could have had him as leader and didn't.

It will be interesting to see where Carney takes the party.

I actually do prefer minority governments, they tend to be more open to new ideas but not go galloping off in all directions.  Remember Harper wasn't really horrible until he got his majority, and then wham!  Of course since trump doesn't understand the Parliamentary system, he would see a minority government as weak, no matter who forms it.

And the the Conservatives stabbed Erin O'Toole in the back, and chose PP when they could have had someone a bit more centrist like Jean Charest.  They are so very much Reform still.

I'm stuck in Ontario because my DD and grand-daughter are here.  I'd prefer BC or NB or NS, or New Zealand, but here I am.  Stuck with Ford for another 4 years.

I do understand why people in red states are not uprooting themselves to move to blue states if they have family ties.  I'm in the same boat.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #53 on: March 11, 2025, 07:36:52 PM »
Random stuff from the internet

Trump needs to visit Canada so someone can give him a Shawinigan handshake.

Why is trump not talking about making Mexico the 52nd state?  Could it be a word that starts with r and ends with m?   
My comment on that:  does he know that Canada isn't as white as it was in the 50s?  Does he know that we had a black francophone female immigrant GG?  That should push all his buttons.

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« Reply #54 on: March 11, 2025, 07:53:39 PM »
Why is trump not talking about making Mexico the 52nd state?  Could it be a word that starts with r and ends with m?

Romanticism?  :D

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #55 on: March 11, 2025, 08:42:08 PM »
Why is trump not talking about making Mexico the 52nd state?  Could it be a word that starts with r and ends with m?

Romanticism?  :D

Definitely!    ;-)

Plus I'm sure he likes us speaking English. Guess he has not heard he has Romance languages South and North of him.   ;-)
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« Reply #56 on: March 12, 2025, 04:51:54 AM »
Denmark is fairly homogeneous both in ethnicity and religion compared to the USA though correct?

Yeah, of course, but my point was that it's amusing how the local chatter in Copenhagen is so wildly different from other cities.

Obviously there are major reasons for that, and it's not all sunshine and roses, there's a huge amount of racism over there. But if I'm looking to leave Canada for somewhere less stressful and where the healthcare is much better, Denmark would be an amazing option, except that I don't speak the language.

So I could get by, but I wouldn't love not being able to socialize optimally. Danes apparently make most of their friends in school and just stick with them, so while they mostly speak English, they don't like to socialize in English and that makes it incredibly difficult for immigrants to make friends unless their Danish is fluent. Because one Dane will speak English but a group of Danes will socialize in Danish and will not welcome someone who requires them to stick to their second language.

Just curious, aside from the health care situation, (you're not the only one who feels stuck in Ontario) what part of Canada is stressing you out?

It's impossible to separate our factors like that. Healthcare is a constant threat for me and always has me on edge living here. So it's impossible for me to say how much other factors would impact me if I wasn't already always looking sideways at the exit.

If I felt safe here, a lot of things probably wouldn't bother me as much as I wouldn't be always thinking about where else I might want to live. But feeling fundamentally unsafe living here doesn't exactly encourage me to have tolerance for other annoyances, like spending the last few years dreading the unavoidable election of someone I know and dislike as our next prime minister.

The fact that it's taken Trump as an existential threat to get people to even contemplate not electing a known moron is, just, not endearing to me.

I know we get tired of whoever is in, but the Conservatives have made such bad choices in leaders, we either vote the Liberals out and get the Conservatives, or keep chugging along with the Liberals.  And the NDP have been stagnating.  Too bad Charlie Angus is retiring, although he might not be the best choice for party leader right now, very inflammatory, in a good way.  But the NDP could have had him as leader and didn't.

It will be interesting to see where Carney takes the party.

I actually do prefer minority governments, they tend to be more open to new ideas but not go galloping off in all directions.  Remember Harper wasn't really horrible until he got his majority, and then wham!  Of course since trump doesn't understand the Parliamentary system, he would see a minority government as weak, no matter who forms it.

And the the Conservatives stabbed Erin O'Toole in the back, and chose PP when they could have had someone a bit more centrist like Jean Charest.  They are so very much Reform still.

I'm stuck in Ontario because my DD and grand-daughter are here.  I'd prefer BC or NB or NS, or New Zealand, but here I am.  Stuck with Ford for another 4 years.

I do understand why people in red states are not uprooting themselves to move to blue states if they have family ties.  I'm in the same boat.

They aren't even Reform though, Preston Manning absolutely skewered them for how far they've deviated from his vision for the party and how the whole party is just a viper pit of vicious, uncoordinated in-fighting.

It's basically Harper and his goons vs everyone else. And it's just the nastiest situation and has been for years.

Minority governments can be fantastic. Look at just how much the NDP has gotten done through being a minority support party.

It's fascinating how they have such a likeable leader, they've done SO MUCH for the country, and yet they still can't get any fucking traction in terms of popularity. It's just wild.

I never in my life expected to see a dentacare program. That's fucking HUGE.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #57 on: March 12, 2025, 10:42:58 AM »

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #58 on: March 12, 2025, 10:43:28 AM »
Agreed - minority governments are awesome!

Collaborative, representative of more than just 30% ish of our population - and man they get stuff done.

I think I'd also love to see an actual coalition - where the cabinet is made up of more than one party. I'm just sick of this parliamentary system where it's set up to be so combative between parties. Why doesn't the opposition ever celebrate when they get policy changes through... oh right because they want absolute power, not actual policy.


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« Reply #59 on: March 12, 2025, 10:49:18 AM »
I think I'd also love to see an actual coalition

You want to get rid of first past the post then.

I have always wanted fair elections - one vote counts as one vote.  The party with the most votes wins, but every party that gets significant support from votes will have that amount of power in parliament.  This will result in smaller parties actually being viable.

The Green party for example usually hovers around 5% support nationwide, but typically gets under 1% representation.  That's bullshit.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #60 on: March 12, 2025, 10:55:21 AM »
They walk among us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hdArIGUrmg

Wow.

You'd have to fundamentally believe that climate change is not a problem, not human driven, and that breathing fumes and poisoning our water is better for us? In order to take this stance against Canada and hope Carney fails.

And I bet he had no problem when Smith became premier of Alberta the same way Carney just became PM... and then she didn't run in the open seat - she got an MP to resign so she could run in a safer riding. Also she only ran one byelection - leaving Calgary short an MP.... grr... grr... yes - I'm still angry at that one.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #61 on: March 12, 2025, 11:10:41 AM »
They walk among us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hdArIGUrmg

Wow.

You'd have to fundamentally believe that climate change is not a problem, not human driven, and that breathing fumes and poisoning our water is better for us? In order to take this stance against Canada and hope Carney fails.

And I bet he had no problem when Smith became premier of Alberta the same way Carney just became PM... and then she didn't run in the open seat - she got an MP to resign so she could run in a safer riding. Also she only ran one byelection - leaving Calgary short an MP.... grr... grr... yes - I'm still angry at that one.

Personally, I'd rather Canada not suffer.  I'd prefer that Smith become Prime Minister of Canada than have my country suffer (although my suspicion is that she would directly cause a lot of suffering in that role).  I think that this video is an example of what happens when tribalism takes over and you completely lose perspective of what the real goal should be.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #62 on: March 12, 2025, 12:33:46 PM »
They walk among us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hdArIGUrmg

Wow.

You'd have to fundamentally believe that climate change is not a problem, not human driven, and that breathing fumes and poisoning our water is better for us? In order to take this stance against Canada and hope Carney fails.

And I bet he had no problem when Smith became premier of Alberta the same way Carney just became PM... and then she didn't run in the open seat - she got an MP to resign so she could run in a safer riding. Also she only ran one byelection - leaving Calgary short an MP.... grr... grr... yes - I'm still angry at that one.

Personally, I'd rather Canada not suffer.  I'd prefer that Smith become Prime Minister of Canada than have my country suffer (although my suspicion is that she would directly cause a lot of suffering in that role).  I think that this video is an example of what happens when tribalism takes over and you completely lose perspective of what the real goal should be.

He is an Alberta separatist.

I wanted Qeubec to stay in Canada but understood why they wanted to separate.

Alberta separatists seem to not want to be their own country so much as they want to stick it to the rest of Canada, especially Ontario and Qeubec.  Fueled by hate more than a feeling of otherness that Quebecois used to feel.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #63 on: March 12, 2025, 03:39:33 PM »
Denmark is fairly homogeneous both in ethnicity and religion compared to the USA though correct?

Yeah, of course, but my point was that it's amusing how the local chatter in Copenhagen is so wildly different from other cities.

Obviously there are major reasons for that, and it's not all sunshine and roses, there's a huge amount of racism over there. But if I'm looking to leave Canada for somewhere less stressful and where the healthcare is much better, Denmark would be an amazing option, except that I don't speak the language.

So I could get by, but I wouldn't love not being able to socialize optimally. Danes apparently make most of their friends in school and just stick with them, so while they mostly speak English, they don't like to socialize in English and that makes it incredibly difficult for immigrants to make friends unless their Danish is fluent. Because one Dane will speak English but a group of Danes will socialize in Danish and will not welcome someone who requires them to stick to their second language.

Just curious, aside from the health care situation, (you're not the only one who feels stuck in Ontario) what part of Canada is stressing you out?

It's impossible to separate our factors like that. Healthcare is a constant threat for me and always has me on edge living here. So it's impossible for me to say how much other factors would impact me if I wasn't already always looking sideways at the exit.

If I felt safe here, a lot of things probably wouldn't bother me as much as I wouldn't be always thinking about where else I might want to live. But feeling fundamentally unsafe living here doesn't exactly encourage me to have tolerance for other annoyances, like spending the last few years dreading the unavoidable election of someone I know and dislike as our next prime minister.

The fact that it's taken Trump as an existential threat to get people to even contemplate not electing a known moron is, just, not endearing to me.

I know we get tired of whoever is in, but the Conservatives have made such bad choices in leaders, we either vote the Liberals out and get the Conservatives, or keep chugging along with the Liberals.  And the NDP have been stagnating.  Too bad Charlie Angus is retiring, although he might not be the best choice for party leader right now, very inflammatory, in a good way.  But the NDP could have had him as leader and didn't.

It will be interesting to see where Carney takes the party.

I actually do prefer minority governments, they tend to be more open to new ideas but not go galloping off in all directions.  Remember Harper wasn't really horrible until he got his majority, and then wham!  Of course since trump doesn't understand the Parliamentary system, he would see a minority government as weak, no matter who forms it.

And the the Conservatives stabbed Erin O'Toole in the back, and chose PP when they could have had someone a bit more centrist like Jean Charest.  They are so very much Reform still.

I'm stuck in Ontario because my DD and grand-daughter are here.  I'd prefer BC or NB or NS, or New Zealand, but here I am.  Stuck with Ford for another 4 years.

I do understand why people in red states are not uprooting themselves to move to blue states if they have family ties.  I'm in the same boat.

They aren't even Reform though, Preston Manning absolutely skewered them for how far they've deviated from his vision for the party and how the whole party is just a viper pit of vicious, uncoordinated in-fighting.

It's basically Harper and his goons vs everyone else. And it's just the nastiest situation and has been for years.

Minority governments can be fantastic. Look at just how much the NDP has gotten done through being a minority support party.

It's fascinating how they have such a likeable leader, they've done SO MUCH for the country, and yet they still can't get any fucking traction in terms of popularity. It's just wild.

I never in my life expected to see a dentacare program. That's fucking HUGE.

Yeah, I'm a bit further to the right than most of you, but we're really relieved to have a great alternative like Carney to support.    It's as if there's finally a rational adult in federal politics after the last 20 years.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #64 on: March 12, 2025, 03:49:46 PM »
I have met maybe two dozen Danes in my life and every single one had a permanently good mood.  Its a small sample size and all were on vacation, but it was something that I did noticed.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #65 on: March 15, 2025, 10:10:07 AM »
Foreign Affairs Minister Mélanie Joly wrapped up the G7 meeting in La Malbaie, Que., on Friday with a stern message for U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio: Hands off our country. 

"What I said to the secretary is Canada's sovereignty is not up to debate, period," she said at the closing news conference of the G7 foreign ministers meeting.

"There's no argument, there's no conversation about it, there's no need to talk about it," she said. "You're here, you respect us, you respect our sovereignty, you're in our country, you respect our people. Period."

/end of thread

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« Reply #66 on: March 15, 2025, 10:32:26 AM »
She has been clear, steadfast and consistent through all of this for us in Canada. Melanie Joly needs all the gratitude and support we can give her as Minister. I'm tore on calling the election next week when we need to be steadfast against DJT but also we need to beat Skippy here at home so taking advantage of the momentum is key.

Next step is to immediately cancel the entire US F-35 order and go completely with the Saab EF-39 from Sweden. They just announced they cancelled a large portion dropping from 88 jets to 32 F-35 order and then ordered 60 from SAAB yesterday.

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« Reply #67 on: March 15, 2025, 10:35:05 AM »
Kremlin has had its sights on Canada for a while. Here’s a nice visual rundown of Russian government efforts to cause dissent and amplify separatism in Canada from 2022.

https://www.ucc.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Kremlin-COGNITIVE-WARFARE.pdf

More recently, the Tenet Media scandal:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/investigates/russian-influence-election-tenet-media-chen-southern-1.7314976

On another note, I always thought this was so weird:

https://www.newsweek.com/jordan-peterson-soviet-art-propoganda-glenn-beck-1590104

And also weird that the only place Peterson could find treatment for his drug addiction was in Russia, not the Canadian healthcare system (this was before recent shortages — stood out as a weird choice).

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« Reply #68 on: March 15, 2025, 10:51:04 AM »
Kremlin has had its sights on Canada for a while. Here’s a nice visual rundown of Russian government efforts to cause dissent and amplify separatism in Canada from 2022.

https://www.ucc.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Kremlin-COGNITIVE-WARFARE.pdf

More recently, the Tenet Media scandal:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/investigates/russian-influence-election-tenet-media-chen-southern-1.7314976

On another note, I always thought this was so weird:

https://www.newsweek.com/jordan-peterson-soviet-art-propoganda-glenn-beck-1590104

And also weird that the only place Peterson could find treatment for his drug addiction was in Russia, not the Canadian healthcare system (this was before recent shortages — stood out as a weird choice).

Russians are well known to be a compassionate people with great drug treatment programs.  : P

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #69 on: March 15, 2025, 11:09:03 AM »
Russians are well known to be a compassionate people with great drug treatment programs.  : P

Just ask Alexei Navalny on drug treatment and long term care right.......